further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
He wasn't on the roster yesterday and now it's official:
Sources close to the U-M football program have confirmed that true freshman Davion Rogers, a linebacker out of Warren, Ohio, is no longer with the program. Rogers, a 6-6, 205-pounder, came to U-M out of Warren G. Harding High School.
No idea why. Rogers reportedly had a Clearinghouse issue earlier this fall so it may be related to that. He wasn't going to play this year since he's skinnier than Roy Roundtree but seemed to have a lot of long-term potential; his departure is another hit to the APR, which seems like it will inevitably drop below 925 now at some point, and another hit to the depth of the defense. Michigan's most recent class has now lost Austin White, Demar Dorsey, Conelius Jones, Antonio Kinard, and Davion Rogers just a month into their freshman years. At some point this has to stop happening, right?
UPDATE: The News confirms and gets someone saying that it was a clearinghouse issue, which means it shouldn't impact Michigan's APR. Tim pointed out that if he was out before the drop/add deadline he wouldn't have counted against the APR anyway. Still, Michigan and Rodriguez have to do a better job of identifying players who will get on campus.
It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.
It's Denard's fault, he's ruining these boys self-esteem on the practice field, they all start believing they will never make it.
Thanks Commodus, I am not entertained right now.
I feel like Zorg heading back to Fhloston Paradise after discovering the stones were not in the case.
Fuck me running. I guess we'll have all kinds of scholarships to give out once we light the world on fire this year, right?
im always a bit confused by this... does this mean that early enrollees for next year could be counted towards the shrinking 2010 class, so theoretically it would be possible to sign 25 + early enrolees?
No, the early enrollee part won't matter. We won't be limited by the 25 man class size, but by totaly number of scholarships. I think this one allows us to take a class of around 20 or so.
We don't have 25 spots to fill on the roster. The max you can have is 85. So even though we could take more than 25 by spreading them out over two classes, we can only take 20 right now because we still have 65 coming back. (Assuming Kovacs and a few others don't get scholarships)
Assuming Kovacs and a few others don't get scholarships
Can we please stop assuming that walk-ons that are starting or contributing aren't getting scholarships? Kovacs is a starter. He's getting a scholarship and so are several other contributing walk-ons and considering we have extra scholarships this year I'm willing to bet that Moundros, McColgan, and Leach at the very least are also getting scholarships this year.
What kind of dick would say, "I know you busted your ass the last three years and have started for two of those, however we have a big recruiting class and we're going to have to pull your scholarship this year. Maybe if we have a few transfers you'll get a shot next year."?
My understanding is that each class has a limit of 25. Since Rogers signed and came to UM, he counts against the 2010 25 limit.
So what happens to us when the APR drops below that number?
Someone please tell me its not that bad!
loss of scholarships. But more likely the only penalty will be that if UM drops below 925 and then loses a player to academics they can't use that scholarship for a year
The problem is Michigan is about to be on probation. A team on probation that is under the number probably gets hit a bit harder, and that's what worries me.
a scenario where we get penalized more due to our pending probation.
edit: larsonlo beat me to it
We'd lose a couple of scholarships. It doesn't really amount to that much but it's bad from a PR standpoint (and more red meat for a certain newspaper).
Transfers & wash-outs don't amount to much? Really? Do you understand that's exactly how we got into this 3-9 & 5-7 mess in the first place?
the NCAA penalties won't amount to much. Not that transfers aren't bad.
Okay. I still disagree with that opnion. It's kind of hard to replace the recruits that have left when the NCAA penanlizes you by taking scholarships away. We appear to be heading down the same road that we were under the last few years of Carr as far as attrition goes.
You seem confused. What I am saying is that the NCAA penalty for dropping below an APR of 925 is not particularly harsh - we'd have like 83 scholarships instead of 85. That's not a big deal. The bigger deal is losing the player in the first place.
You have grossly misread what I posted. And I find it hard to believe you actually laughed out loud.
It seems weird to count it against a team's academic performance when a true freshman leaves the team before he's even taken his first midterm.
Seriously, there should be some kind of exception for guys that aren't in school for some minimum period of time.
We are maintaining our average of losing a player a week.
we've broken the pattern of 'win a game, lose a defender".
This is absolutely absurd attrition right?
This is really baffling. How could a kid not tryi to stick it out a couple weeks into the school year. Surely he wasn't expecting to play right away with his build.
Puzzling and somewhat troubling.
Maybe he was just homesick? It must be difficult to leave a place like Warren, Ohio.
Terry Talbott still hasn't made it past the Clearinghouse, either.
The DT or the CB?
The Talbott CB has already played so its the DT.
Terrence, the CB, is playing.
DT. Smaller name, bigger person.
Ah, good point. Will remember now.
DT. The CB is Terrence who has already seen playing time in the first two games.
Not true. he has made it.
we should be able to pull in SEC like recruiting numbers somewhere around 28-30 players this yr right?
My word. Someone needs to start showing these kids the incredible hype videos that have been produced around these parts!
Someone needs to talk to these kids about their futures. A Michigan degree is very powerful in the marketplace (yes, I used the word powerful). These kids need to be realistic - they are not going to play football at the next level. I can't imagine they won't regret leaving 10 years down the road . . .
Not trying to be a jerk, but that's kind of an elitest statement don't you think? You know, there are other schools out there that are just as good and some are better.
Not saying that he made a great point, but it is at least A point. How many of these kids are transferring to top 15 in the world university?
You should feel free to say I made a great point. If not, I'll say it for you . . . (I jest)
Hah, ok fine... you made a great point...
Its not an elitist statement, its a statement of fact. Take Lolata for example: Let's assume he's transferring to Rutgers, and let's assuming he has no future in the NFL. A Rutgers undergraduate degree is not as valuable as a Michigan degree, on the whole. True, I'm sure there are thousands of Rutgers grads that go on to do great things and I mean no disrespect. But the fact is that Michigan is always ranked in the US News and World Report's Top 25 public universities. Those things carry weight with employers.
(I apologize if I sound elitist because that is not my intention.)
To many of these guys (almost all?), playing football in college is worth getting their undergrad degree from a lesser school. I was very close to going to a lesser college so I could play football. I didn't, but it was almost a coinflip, and I don't think I would have regretted it much.
LaLota might not think he still has a shot at the NFL, but he might also think that a school that allows him more PT might help him get there. NFL aside, LaLota might think that a few years of playing D1 football outweighs the difference in prestige of the degree. And depending on what he wants to go into, I don't blame him at all.
I completely understand what you're saying. That's why I went to Michigan!
I actually disagree with this. Especially since Lalota is actually from Jersey, there's almost no practical advantage to having a liberal arts degree from UM as opposed to Rutgers (almost all football players end up with liberal arts degrees). Maybe it would help slightly in getting a first job or applying to grad school, but Rutgers is a fine school and I think that would be the extent of any difference, if there's any at all.