You can't spell Hoke without 4 L's...or, something like that.
this guy evidently hired to work for AD
According to Brady Hoke, the coaching staff will return intact next year:
"I anticipate (this) staff (to be back)," Hoke said after attending a UAW/Ford Child Identity Program event at Ford Field.
Asked again, if he does not anticipate any staff changes for the 2014 season, Hoke responded with the following: "Correct."
And so will Devin Gardner, guy who sent me that one email about how he could transfer and not sit out a year.
"He'll be back," he said.
You can't spell Hoke without 4 L's...or, something like that.
Let's take a poll. Be honest with yourself, and with us. Do you believe Borges is "the guy" for Michigan? Yesses and nos only please. No maybes, no yays or nays with caveats, no long-winded explanations, no hypotheticals. What does your gut tell you?
I will take Borges next year over no Borges next year.
Borges + Gardner year 2.5 > Hypothetical OC + Gardner year 1.
Keep in ming this hypothetical OC would probably be less experienced than Borges.
He is Brady's guy. One Gerg was more than enough thank you.
Not sure I get your meaning. All evidence to this point shows Borges as the offensvie Gerg.
i'm anxious to see your list of greg robinson games where our defense was even so-so, let alone really good. seriously, name one.
at least the borges offenses have had some high points.
2010: UConn (Big East champ that year), Purdue, and Bowling Green
2009: Held MSU to 20 points in regulation, as I recall. The Iowa game wasn't a defensive debacle. There are others.
Our biggest problem those last two years was our young defensive backs from being able to shut anyone down much at all. It wasn't a viable excuse for that unit then, why is it one for the offensive line now?
And yes, all evidence to point to him being an overall bad/terrible offensive coordinator.
2010 BG put up 400 yards on us, while Purdue was played in a driving rainstorm (and they were terrible anyway). UConn was good - I'll give you that. But it wasn't epically good - they moved the ball but had untimely turnovers.
2009 MSU wasn't very good - they went 6-7 that year.
Gerg never had a game like 2011 or '13 Ohio. We hadn't scored 40 on them since 1946; now we've done it twice in three years. We also scored more than ND or Minnesota has given up all year, IIRC.
Borges has shown that he is capable of delivering great performances. Maybe not as consistently as we'd like, but that could change with better OL play.
He respects and trusts Borges to make the offense go. If you force him to hire an outsider(See GERG) the chances of winning a BIG championship in the next two years(what I would view as Hoke's evaluation period) shrink considerably.
AB has called some good games, but overall too many stinkers.
I do not think Al Borges will deliver what M needs to be elite. I hope I am more than proven wrong.
I want to see the bowl game. If he stinks it up, then he should be gone.
I also want a new OL coach. I wish we can get a QB/RB coach, if our RB coach will retire. DG needs some serious coaching.
I think this is a closer call than a lot of people are willing to acknowledge. Certainly, given the offense's general performance in Big Ten play (outside of OSU/Indiana and maybe Minnesota) you can make a case that this offensive staff doesn't deserve to stick around. On the other hand...
-Is it fair to Gardner, a guy who's really taken one for the team the past couple of years, to have to adapt to another new coach? I'm not saying we should let an individual player dictate staff direction, but it might not be good for his development to once again change things up on him. He's a guy who clearly has great upside and maybe the best chance of bringing that out of him in his senior year is to stay the course. Is his return tied to the return of Borges?
-Funk's OLs haven't looked too impressive the last two years, but his position group, probably more than any other on the team, is really hurting due to a lack of past recruiting. We did start to see progress on the OL at the end of the year. Maybe it's a mirage, maybe not. Also, we have no idea how he and Stenavich may have been affected by the deaths in the family they both experienced this season.
-The case against Jackson seems a little weaker after Smith and Green have shown us something these last few weeks. His overall track record is fine, but recently it had been lacking. But maybe he just didn't have the players.
I also think the bowl game will be particularly important to gauge where this team is. It's hard to imagine the OSU not being a flash in the pan if the offense goes down in flames against Vandy or whomever. On the other hand, the offense has the chance to prove that it's legitimate if they can put up some points.
Also, fwiw, saying "I don't anticipate" is, to me, a way of saying "I wouldn't fire anyone based on what I know right now." I don't take it as the final word on the matter.
I know the internets love scheme, but Tom Herman didn't out scheme anybody on Saturday. A physically superior team steamrolled a physically weaker team. Sure some scheme was in place to keep the defense honest, but at the end of the day that was the much derided MANBALL right down Michigan's throat. Al Borges didn't out scheme anybody, the run blocking was good enough to keep Ohio honest and Gardner and the receiving corp did a fantastic job of beating people. I don't think Al pressed X Y and R1 at the same time to make Funchess vault some dude. Players make plays.
Michigan wants to win championships, looking at a list of past NCAA champions and I'm struggling to find the team the schemed it's way to the top. I see a lot of transcendant talent that won championships. At the ultimate level, becoming national champion, college football is honest offense against honest deffence, stronger more talented team wins. Bottom line, this staff has demonstrated the ability to attract the type of talent that at least gives you the chance to be elite and that is all that really matters. This year's team just did not have the talent or experience to be elite. Every college football fan has turned into Veruca Salt with a "I want it now" attitude. It's time to grow up and realize life comes in fits and starts This is not a video game, you can't play a season over the weekend. Building a championship team takes time, laying a foundation is hard work, but you have to be blind to not see it is coming into place. Can't wait for the bowl game, one more time to cheer for Team 134.
A powerful running back in a spread offense is still a spread offense. Hyde might not have gotten 8 yards per carry if M could have committed 8 guys to the box. Having Miller back there and receivers in space made that impossible. It wasn't just Manball.
"Anticipate" is a word that covers a lot of things.
There is no other answer Brady could have given that would not have made the next month absolutely miserable for the team and the staff.
While I don't believe Borges will be fired, I certainly don't think today's answer meant anything.
I say this with all respect, but people put way too much into what Hoke says to reporters.
Funny - I see it exactly the opposite. I dont think people pay enough attention to what he says and read into his words to fit their personal desires for the program. When Brady said to the press after the PSU & MSU games that he loved Al's gameplan and wouldnt change his playcalling I thought he meant he loved Al's gameplan and wouldnt change his playcalling. Others argued that point and said "no, not necesarilly cause you could never openly criticize your OC without significant fallout and in reality he secretly didnt like it but wouldnt throw Al under the bus in public."
I think with Brady what you see is what you get. If he tells us in the next presser he made a doody in his pants.......he probably made a doody in his pants!
You may be right that he thinks he's doing really well. I do, though, think that Hoke often stonewalls reporters but gets a pass because he's sometimes very open and often at least somewhat charming.
What we don't have to work with is experience with Hoke firing someone. What does he say before that happens? I don't know. I can't imagine Lloyd Carr or Jim Tressel letting anyone outside their programs know that something like that was going to happen, but maybe Hoke would.
True but I'll bet you anything that what Hoke doesnt say before he fires someone is "I'm not firing anyone".
Like I said - believe that Hoke is transparent, not cunning, and everthing makes sense.
One thing we can be sure of is that we're going to find out!
Believe it or not, I'm on the fence re: Borges, but I really want to see the bowl game. I'll be much more in the "fire Borges" camp if the offense doesn't come out on fire there. OSU doesn't have a particularly good defense, but it's not bad either, and it's likely better than whatever D Michigan will go up against in the bowl.
If you're expecting OSU again you'll probably be disappointed. A game like that hadn't happened in the history of the program (well, recorded history anyway--Yost probably had better). There have been more yards but not against a team of calibre.
Would, say, 400-450 yards and 30 points against a decent defense do? Or has he now set the bar at 600 and anything less gets him internet-fired?
I just want them to be good given the context. I was happy with last year's bowl, and they didn't put up big numbers... If they play Texas Tech, I'll want to see more scoring than if they play Georgia. If someone key gets hurt, obviously you consider that. If a couple of tipped passes become picks, you consider that. Etc...But if they just go out and lay an egg, by gosh, Al Borges is going to have to meet me in my internet office and get a good talking to.
Good, that's a fair answer. I don't want to see an egg either. And I don't think we will unless the game's played in gail winds or a blizzard or something. We don't exactly have the squad to push people around when the weather won't let you throw.
I asked because I'm curious (and you're usually pretty reasonable). Expectations get tossed around here--no more than two losses ever in a season, games like OSU all the time--that no program in history has ever matched. Don't know why I let it get to me, but it does.
But Hoke did not say that he wasn't firing anyone. He said he anticipates the whole staff will be back.
This question presents a no-win scenario for a coach who is still in-season and in the recruiting season. Admitting any changes at this point upsets the apple cart and can't possibly do any good for your team and recruits, unless the guy you're hiring is AMAZING.
As I said above, I don't think Hoke's plan is to fire AB. But I also don't think saying he doesn't anticipate any changes on the staff is a guarantee of anything.
Please show me where he said those words you just typed, I must have missed them...
The success we saw on the field on Saturday gives the impression that just maybe Borges can get M over the hump. However, I cannot forget the abominations that were the Akron, UConn, PSU, and Nebraska games--when the play calling was as abysmal as it was stupefying. OTOH, I can see the benefits in getting some continuity with this program, which it has been sorely lacking for years. But if AB isn't the guy now, he never will be, and keeping him on is only prolonging our agony. I'm glad I don't have to make the decision. That's why they pay DB the big bucks.
Yay for Gardner. But I fear we are in for yet another "rebuilding year" (where we probably regress again) next year with Funk, Borges, Jackson and co.
This year was really the year things were set up for us to take a step forward and we just seemed poorly prepared in virtually every game. Lack of improvement as the season went on in any area, simple mental errors and just lack of awareness from both players and coaches. It was a hard thing to watch and be optimistic about anything going forward.
Suprised by this, but the few games where protection was solid on the oline, the offense looked good. We just went toe to toe with Urbz and the Buckeyes bc the oline actually blocked. Hope we can coach up some of the young talent we have next year. Also, maybe an actual designated QB coach could improve DG's reads and mechanics.. FFT
there was no way on god's green earth that he would answer the question any other way, not with one more game (and 15 practices) to go this season. he answered the same way he would have answered it last week (and should have, had it been asked). obviously.
he could still let borges ("al did great things for this program, and we appreciate his contributions, but we mutually decided to go in a different direction." emphasis mine.) and fred jackson ("i have great respect for fred jackson, but he decided that the day-to-day grind wasn't something he was interested in right now. he's welcome around the program anytime he wants to come by, and i look forward to using him as a resource as long as he wants to remain involved.") go.
calm down for once.
He also left the door open for DB to make the decision if need be. Perhaps if the O lays a colossal egg during the bowl game, it could be done then. Who knows with these things.
What i personally find amusing is that Hoke has been saying this all along and many people just didnt want to believe it. In every presser, at every opportunity, Hoke has given Borges 100% support of his game plan and his play calling. Why is anybody surprised then when he retains the guy?
Right or wrong Hoke told you what he was going to do here. People just didnt want to believe it I guess.
the whole staff. But what can I do. I'm just some puke sitting at a desk. I question the future of the program and think there are some serious issues. It makes me want to have a lesser involvement with Michigan football. My optimism for success is dwindling.
its Monday after the regular season is over. NOTHING is going to happen until after the bowl games. But if anyone here thinks that Coach Hoke doesn't have an annual review with Dave Brandon, is simply ignorant or clueless. I know that Hoke was Brandon's pick - so Hoke will assuredly return. But how anyone can defend the PSU, Nebraska and Iowa games from an OC standpoint is just NOT being objective.
Borges doesn't coach the Oline, running backs, or receivers ... and no one is defending his ability to be QB coach. His job is to produce an offensive strategy that maximizes the team's strengths and minimizes their weaknesses. Under this premise - he failed more times than he succeeded in 2013 and this team HAD offensive talent. Negative rushing yards in back to back games, PSU debacle and the Iowa second half is proof enough that he didn't understand the strength of this offense.
The ohio game wasn't a huge surprise to me. Their defense is not good - probably the last year for Luke Fickell - they won't "fire" him, he'll get a head coaching job a some mid-level program. They greatly benefitted from an easy schedule ... not one team they played is ranked in the top 25 (and we only played ohio as a ranked team at the end ... and we went 7-5). Had we won PSU, Nebraska and Iowa (games we SHOULD have won), I doubt anyone we be complaining about being 10-2. I'm convinced what should be done, but that means zero ... the same as everyone else's opinion, except for DB's.
that one game could cloud the previous 9. I applaud his loyalty, but 9 wins is the absolute floor for next year now. Even 9-3, if the losses are ND, MSU, and OSU, might still face some pressure. "Youth" can no longer be an excuse - plenty of other teams have done more with less talent or same age (see, for example, Indiana offensive line this year).
Key word "anticipate" ...so i wouldnt be so sure yet
Year 1: 11-2
Year 2: 8-5
Year 3: 7-5 pending a bowl game
Averaging four losses per season is acceptable at Michigan. Clearly no reason to change anything. Meanwhile at Ohio State...
Fickle was forced into a bad situation in 2011 and went 6-7. It was no excuse and he was removed as head coach. Urban Meyer takes over and...
Year 1: 12-0
Year 2: 12-0 pending Big Ten Championship game and possible BCS National Championship game.
Some schools have them. Other's don't.
"Ohio State" and "standards" in the same sentence, non-ironically.
Have you considered that possibly Hoke inherited less talent than OSU's coaches?
Have you ever considered that top tier programs do not make excuses?
Have you ever considered that everyone also has buttholes?
What are your opinions on what RichRod inherited and whether he should've been given Year 4?
What are your opinions of RR's 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes?
The program was cratering. We can argue about why, but it was happening.
was taking that 2008 team to an 11-2 record. None.