On Erik Swenson And Talent-Based Decommits Comment Count

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Michigan's longest-standing commit is no longer one:

While that's a surprise it's less of a surprise since this week people started putting their name next to the assertion that he would not end up in the class. Mike Spath said so in a post on attrition; Wiltfong did the same at 247; Webb concurred. With Northwestern and Nebraska possible landing spots, academics are obviously not a problem.

Swenson committed to Brady Hoke's Michigan sometime during the Truman administration and hasn't wavered or visited elsewhere; like Rashad Weaver and Kiante Enis this appears to be a case where Michigan re-evaluated the players' talent after their senior season and did not like what they saw. Let's talk about how we feel about that, with the caveat that we are working with incomplete information here since neither side is offering much detail on what went down.

Editorial opinion on decommitting guys based on talent

Michigan's suffered a number of decommits this cycle. Some were not Michigan's choice, others are because of academic concerns, and a few look like Michigan straight-up pulling offers from committed recruits because they prefer other players. To date players in the latter category appear to be Enis, Weaver, and Swenson.

This could be anywhere from completely legit (Harbaugh tells them they may have to find another landing spot if things don't work out) to not great (this is not communicated). There's a post on the board from a gentleman claiming to be two degrees of separation from a recruit who consciously uncoupled from Michigan, and it was more or less the former:

He said the coaches meticulously laid out who his competition would be, and explained to him that they weren't done recruiting the position yet.  Harbaugh also told him that his scholarship to one of the best academic institutes was absolutely still available to him, but he would need to work his ass off to see any playing time.  Said recruit has decided that while academics are important, playing football is his true passion and wants to see the field sooner than later.  He would rather fine tune his game on the field and get better.

Despite the parting of ways the recruit seemed fine with the overall result, as he got a ton more interest after "Michigan commit" was appended to his resume.

Enis and Weaver were probably given a heads-up a couple months ago. Enis made an official to Indiana in December; Weaver scheduled an official to Temple in November. In any case they are likely to find schools that are a better fit for them and have fine college careers.

This doesn't really bother me. These days "commit" is used about as accurately as "literally" and Harbaugh has adapted to that situation. If you want to visit, visit. Michigan is going to recruit as if commits don't exist, just like everyone else does. It can be infuriating for players, coaches, and fans as order and structure break down but that's life. I've never really railed about that practice; it's shipping guys out mid-career without a degree, against their will, that rankles. I don't think Michigan will be doing that and certainly hope they never do.

However, Swenson's situation is considerably more sketch. He has not made a peep since his commitment and was tweeting about signing with Michigan as late as January 3rd. Webb says "don't be surprised if a little mudslinging happens." Swenson took the high road, but if someone pops off after a LOI is safely faxed I won't be surprised, nor will I have much to say other than "seems accurate."

If Michigan was going to pull Swenson's scholarship it should have at least warned him about the possibility during the season so he could make a backup plan. That doesn't look like the case and it appears Michigan has pissed some people off. Not a good look.

If he wants to play and does land with the Wildcats or Huskers, he's probably better off. Michigan looked at senior film and decided he would not play.

I wouldn't want to go to a school that thought I wouldn't play and wouldn't tell me that; I would expect them to tell me that. By November at the latest.

This isn't so much a rug being pulled out from under someone as an order for a rug being canceled. Michigan does have to get more organized with this stuff going forward. Setting someone adrift approximately three weeks before Signing Day—the news took a week or two to get out—isn't enough time for them to find the best landing spot.

Comments

The FannMan

January 20th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^

Is it possible that Harbaugh told him he still could have a scholarship but would not likley be on the team?  Can he provide someother kind of scholarship, but tell the guy he is not good enough to play football at Michigan?  

socalwolverine1

January 20th, 2016 at 1:45 PM ^

We hired Jim Harbaugh because we wanted to get back in the game... literally, we wanted to be relevant again, and that means being a top ten team playing in the FBS playoffs every few years, maybe more.  To make that happen means having to compete with the other elite FBS playoff caliber teams, including doing a lot of what they do vis a vis recruiting to stack their teams with the quality of players to make it happen.  We have the coaching, now we need the players.

We may not stoop to the level of an Alabama in the way they cull the herd, but if we want to someday beat Alabama at football we need to do exactly the types of things Harbaugh & Staff are doing right now to finish the recruiting cycle: climb trees, do sleepovers, sit in class with students, tweet crazy pictures with students...and yes, discourage or even cut loose a few commits who the staff has reevaluated and determined not to be up to the level of someday helping us beat Alabama. 

Signing Day is coming down to the wire, and this stage of recruiting is a dog-eat-dog world where our_rivals like sparty are busy offering schollies to some of our top recruits, and we're doing the same to commits at other schools.  There are still a fair number of elite uncommitted recruits that usually get scooped up on signing day by teams like USC and Alabama, but now we have Jim Harbaugh doing his job to sign some of them, including OL recruits who Mr. Swenson simply wouldn't beat out for playing time.  That's ok, I'm sure our staff regrets not having cut him loose earlier, but I consider this an overlap from the Hoke coaching transition that will smooth out going forward.

distant gerbil…

January 20th, 2016 at 1:49 PM ^

Defintely would hope they would have communicated this to him a couple of months ago, but I don't really understand what the point is of having a formal offer before the end of their senior season to begin with.

First because of exactly what seems to be the case here; that the team doesn't really know how good a player is going to become until their high school career is over relative to their competition; and secondly because in Harbaugh's case he doesn't have any idea what caliber of player they are going to have access to depending on how his first season with the team goes.

It just seems to set the team up for accepting players they don't really want; or sets the player up to be betrayed to allow formal offers to go out before, say, December or so. Maybe there is a good reason and I just don't know what it is.

Wings Of Distinction

January 20th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^

When did Kiante Enis decommit or have his offer pulled?

Did I miss something?

I sure hope not. He is the best RB in this class of M recruits.

The Oracle

January 20th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

I think the most troubling part of this is that it seems likely the coaching staff had concerns about Swenson's ability long before they pulled his scholarship, but waited until they were sure they could land someone better before cutting him loose. If he wasn't up to their standards, they should've given him more time to make alternate plans. I'm wondering if this apparent lack of concern for the needs of the athlete in this case might resonate negatively with other recruits, or the parents of recruits, who are trying to make their decisions.

The FannMan

January 20th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^

Was his scholarship pulled or was he just told that he wouldn't play?  I have seen quotes attributed to Eric, but his actual quote in Brian's post doesn't say what he was told.  Even if his football scholarship was "pulled," we don't know if he was given a non-football scholarship and chance to go to U of M for free as a "regualr" student?  Brian's post suggests that offer was made in another case.  If he was not good enought to play, would that have been such a bad offer?

Finally, we do not know when he was told what.  Was he told that the offer could, or was going to be, pulled months ago and just got the final word now? 

I don't think that we know any of this.  We have no idea what the coaching staff did to accomodate the needs of the student athlete.  

BlueSwave34

January 20th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^

part of all this is you dont know the whole story. Michigan fans want to win but want to be sqeaky clean too. Big time college football doesnt work that way. Its a business and if you dont realize that by now then I dont know what to tell ya. In order to win in this day and age tough decisions have to be made. I want to win and Harbaugh looks to me like he is going to do everthing it takes to do so and thats fine by me.

Pepto Bismol

January 20th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^

Okay, this is obviously what Jim Harbaugh's going to do. He did it at Stanford. There's now enough smoke where a defender such as myself is saying, "Okay, yeah. This is happening."

Michigan recruiting isn't going to be an after-school special. Harbaugh's going to recruit his face off and take the best student athletes he can get to sign the line on February 3rd. Period. He's not going to stop to assess feelings.

As a fan, are you in or out? 

We know he's one of the best coaches in the biz - at any level. If he can maintain his current maniacal pace for any length of time, he's going to be the best recruiting head coach in the land to boot. Top coach with top talent equals lots and lots of winning and hardware.

The price to pay for that is that guys like Erik Swenson are apparently going to be left behind.  Are you with Swenson?  Or are you with Michigan?

You don't have to like it. But we might as well check the whole "This Doesn't Sit Well With Me" attitude right now. Each and every one of us.  What are you going to do about it? Are we going to march on Schlissel's home and demand more ethical recruiting? Will you stop buying your season tickets to a perennial top-10 program? Are you going to demand a more soft-handed approach if it means losing Jim Harbaugh as Michigan's head football coach?

 

If yes, I credit you for your conviction. Best of luck with whatever you choose to do with your spare time from this point forward.

 

If not, then go ahead - whine about it. Curse the heavens. Get it out of your system. This sucks for Swenson. What a dirty process. Poor kids. Thoughts and prayers...

Now get over it. Because I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be the last time you read this story.

 

Personally, I hope he was given more time than what we're hearing, but that's as far as my concern goes. Unfortunate, but we'll all live.

 

 

Space Coyote

January 20th, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^

The ol' "you're either in or you're out," the "if you're not first, you're last." No one is allowed to have gray area, either you buy in fully and blindly, or you don't buy in at all.

Look, I love every single person in my immediate family. I'd do pretty much anything for them. I still think each and every one of them has flaws. And if that flaw is extreme enough, yeah, I will voice my opinion on the matter and let it known how I feel.

That same thing goes for Michigan. I'll continue to love Michigan. I'll continue to root for Michigan. And I'll continue to speak my mind when I disagree with something that someone does. Because hopefully that causes that situation to change. Hopefully that makes it more like the Michigan I think is the best Michigan. If not, I won't be happy, but I'm not going to lose my fandom over it. Acting like I have to in order to feel this way is stupid.

Pepto Bismol

January 20th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^

First, apologies if you took offense because I quoted you. Your "sit well" comment is borderline famous this week. Just using it to identify those with your mindset. Not a personal shot.

You seem to fall into the "I don't like it, but I'm going to deal with it" side.  And I'm referencing my own words here:

"You don't have to like it...(if you're not going to abandon the team over this) then go ahead - whine about it. Curse the heavens. Get it out of your system."

Then I recommended you get over it because this probably isn't going to be the last time this happens.

Never said you have to lose your fandom.

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TESOE

January 20th, 2016 at 8:09 PM ^

Second season of a new coach only happens once.  Harbaugh will not be unclear to recruits whom he was the first to contact IMO.

This is an unusual event, I think.

CJRockford

January 20th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^

Look, it has to work both ways.  There is nothing stopping a "committed" recruit from changing his mind and going to a different school (Mike Weber anyone), so I don't see why coaches can't do the same thing.  What they need to do is move up National Signing Day or allow kids/schools to sign an agreement earlier in the process.  While I know it sucks for kids like Swenson that dreamed of going to Michigan, it's just the way it works.  I'm fine with it.

Pepto Bismol

January 20th, 2016 at 2:26 PM ^

If you allowed kids to "sign an agreement earlier in the process", that would just change the date of National Signing Day.  And all of this jockeying would just happen a little earlier in the year.

kb

January 20th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^

like "unacceptable" and " moral high road", and so on. Those of you who thought Michigan had a moral high ground to stand on before now are delusional. Michigan never had any moral high ground to begin with - there have been countless things much worse than this that have happened that make its transgressions similar to those of other programs.

Primo

January 20th, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^

I'm not exactly psyched about the look of this, although I do accept it as the reality we live in regarding recruiting in 2016.  I have to think, though, that this will not be as frequent an event for recruiting classes going forward.  The guys in this boat are either A) Hoke recruits; or B) Summer Swarm recruits.  It is reasonable to assume that the staff felt a need to offer someone at those camps to ratchet up excitement.  Also, Harbaugh had not yet started getting the top guys to sign on the dotted line (in fact, he still hasn't for the most part since NSD has not yet occurred).  Going forward, I'm guessing the coaches will be setting a high bar for offers and be able to qualify them in a transparent way since they have an expectation set.  

AlwaysBlue

January 20th, 2016 at 5:27 PM ^

chattel. Harbaugh sure as hell knew he could recruit, even if he had doubts, there are plenty of stories from recruits about coaches talking up a kid and asking for senior film. For Michigan's general population it's called a deferral.

MLaw06

January 20th, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^

I don't see why guys like "Bobby Kunz" or "Shane Kinnee" are trying to blow this up.  Honestly, they're making it look worse than it is and we don't even know the coaches side of the story.  They are also doing this in crunch time right before NSD and I can bet you they will be the first ones who whine when we miss out on top prospects. 

Stay.Classy.An…

January 20th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^

this is how it looks to me (condensed into one post)

1) the timing sucked

2) Swenson handled it pretty well for a 17 year old kid

3) quit waiting for the other side of the story, it's not happening

4) the kid's life isn't over, he is going to be fine

5) this isn't Saban level (there may be a scholarship for you to sign on NSD...maybe not)

6) the timing sucked

7) we all hope Harbaugh/Drevno/Et al. handles this differently in the future

8) the timing sucked

9) it was probably best that above all, they were honest with the kid

10) when we win the National Championship, nobody will care about this anymore....

Steves_Wolverines

January 20th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^

As for points 1, 6, and 8; isn't this still cloudy, since we don't (and will probably never know) both sides of the story?

Yes, from our available knowledge, the timing sucked. But if there is a possibility he was informed 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, or longer, then I think that would ease many of our concerns regarding this situation.

And I think repeating #7 is important. This staff is getting their footing at Michigan, and should be able to stay ahead of any situations like this in the future. 

Stay.Classy.An…

January 20th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^

come from what I feel is the biggest point those who didn't like this keep hitting on....essentially most of the people in this camp come back to the timing. Which as you stated, we will probably never hear about...I also agree the timing (from what we know about it) sucked, other than that, I don't have a problem with this at all.

Steves_Wolverines

January 20th, 2016 at 3:33 PM ^

Yeah, I guess that's what I was trying to say, but didn't quite get the point across.

I agree that the biggest issue we fans have with this situation is the timing. 

If the questions regarding the timing of this situation were revealed, this whole thing would be considered "resolved" for 99% of Michigan fans, one way or the other. 

If it is true that Harbaugh was never in contact with him, and had Dreveno deliver the bad news weeks before NSD, then morally most Michigan fans would feel sick. 

If Swenson had at least 4 weeks notice, then I think we would all be "satisfied" with the situation, given that Harbaugh and Co. gave him the ultimatum to improve with x, y, and z, or you'll be riding the bench for 4 years.

AlwaysBlue

January 20th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^

progressed or in fact had regressed it would have been known in the fall. We shouldn't care about weeks, but rather months. If the kid was advised that they need to see XYZ by some date in January and he ignored them then this isn't really a story.

Goblue89

January 20th, 2016 at 3:25 PM ^

Agree. Just trying to highlight the fact this isn't a one way street and there's in instance that's happening/could happen in reverse hours later. There needs to be SOME responsibility to the kids to. I mean some of these guys are legally adults.



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Toasted Yosties

January 20th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^

I'm only citing him because there is little other information out there (neg away if you'd like), but I saw Gregg Henson claim someone within the program told him the staff warned him awhile ago that his offer was in jeopardy if he did not improve in a way not specified by Henson, recommending that he look around at other back-up schools.

IF IF IF that is true, I feel the situation is tolerable but still not something I hope to see regularly. While he doesn't specify the timeline, I'm guessing it has to be at least before the season, if the staff expected him to be able to improve. If the staff outlined the stipulations of his offer, told him to plan a backup and he didn't meet the stated goals, nor plan a backup (and maybe he did? He speculates he has been speaking with, and will likely land at, Northwestern) is that on the coaching staff? 

My one and only issue here is dropping him three weeks before signing day. I feel like December 1 is the latest something like this should happen unless it involves something unforeseeable like off-the-field trouble or academics. And even then, December 1 is cutting it close.

Now IF that isn't true, and the staff dumped him out of the blue, pun intended, that lacks integrity, is intolerable, and a bad sign of things to come. No gray area for me. But I am in support of the staff rescinding offers from recruits resting on their laurels or looking likely to be unable to compete on the team. Warn him well in advance and give him AT LEAST two-month's time to find another team.

My two cents.

Mr. Flood

January 20th, 2016 at 2:19 PM ^

Before Title IX, a school could give as many football scholarships as they could afford. A kid like Swenson, who loved Michigan, would still have a scholarship where he could prove himself later or end up riding the pine for 4 years.

Glennsta

January 20th, 2016 at 6:44 PM ^

...theoretically, these football players are still students.  As are thousands of female students. Why should a university spend untold millions on football and next to nothing on women's sports?

If it were your daughter that wanted a scholarship to play a college sport but the program got dropped because football needed more cash to expand the press box, you'd be upset.  It applies to HS and grade schools as well.

BlueReign

January 20th, 2016 at 8:03 PM ^

The university does sepend untold millions on football and next to nothing in comparison on womens sports. As does every university.

I fully agree that men and women should get an equal number of scholarships, just dissagree with the way they seperate it by sport.

Women CHOSE not to play football, apart from the oddball kicker who is allowed to get a scholarship on the mens team anyway. And yet, Title IX says thats not fair. penalizing sports like mens crew, lacross untill recently, and many others because women naturally play fewer sports than men is unfair. Give women extra full ride academic scholarships in the ammount of additional male sports scholarships are given over the number of women and vice versa.

Its supposed to be about equal oportunity. But in the end i prevents more sports and scholarships than it helps imo.

 

Yeoman

January 20th, 2016 at 8:16 PM ^

"women naturally play fewer sports"???

That really is a trip back to 1972, when my high school only had three sports for women and my sister was playing her volleyball in a 1920s-era grade-school gym with a low ceiling that made you accurately measure the height of your passes to keep them out of the rafters. They could easily have cleared out the ample-sized gym they used as a lunchroom, but that would have been a lot of work every day putting away the tables and after all they were just girls so why bother?

Among the sports girls "naturally" didn't play back then were cross country, soccer, golf, tennis. There wasn't even a softball team. What they naturally were, of course, was cheerleaders for the boys' teams. And soccer ball girls.

taut

January 20th, 2016 at 2:23 PM ^

Hard to know what exactly transpired here but it it doesn't look great. While recruits can change their minds too, I don't think you can reasonably hold 17 year-old kids to the same standard as experienced middle-aged professional coaches. It might be nice, but it's not reality. I hope we don't see more of this.

Jomafalo

January 20th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^

I may be in the minority here but it's my opinion that Harbaugh did the kid a favor. If it's true that he informed these early commits that he would still honor their scholarship offer but that they would not likely ever see the field based on coaching staff's evaluation, then the kids have the choice to stay on as committed or to look into other options that would allow them to see the field sooner. Also, who knows whether Swenson or the other commits have continued to hear from other coaches throughout the process, which s quite likely considering. And in some cases being committed to UM made them even more desirable to their programs. I honestly see it as a win-win for all involved. Much ado about nothing...



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