Draftageddon 2015: Informative Portion Comment Count

Seth

The first rule of Draftageddon is "you must complain about Draftageddon." The second is "the four people drafting assemble teams of Big Ten players in an effort to seem the best at drafting." The third is "you vote on who you think assembled the best team." The fourth is "This is actually our Big Ten preview."

THAT WHICH HAS COME BEFORE

Previously on Draftageddon:

In order to ensure a bountiful harvest and that all further injuries and transfers will affect only Northwestern Wildcats, every year we sacrifice a little bit of what makes us human to discuss what just occurred, and try to summarize all of Draftageddon into a single, informative around-the-Big Ten preview.

We'll defend our teams and let you vote on them later; this is the informative part. I sent out a mini-questionnaire to all the selectors and got back the following:

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1. So many Spartans (15) and Buckeyes (19). Skip the justifiable ones and tell us which were the most overrated?

Seth: Josh Perry==Joe Bolden, and I'm skeptical of any 1st round grades for their secondary because their DL was so good we rarely got to see Powell or Bell even have the opportunity to biff a coverage. That goes double for MSU: Cox is barely holding down a job, and was behind Hicks, who was so iffy last year they had to play Lippett both ways. Neither Williamson nor Nicholson could hold off the other last year. Kodi Kieler is just okay, though at that point Ace was picking from bad OT options.

Adam: Eli Apple and Raekwon McMillan, whom Ace and I took in the ninth round, respectively. I think both guys will have successful seasons, but those are two guys who played a significant amount in 2014 but have yet to start a full year. Looking at others at the same positions, there were guys with proven track records who went later that you could make an argument for flipping with Apple and McMillan (Briean Boddy-Calhoun and Desmond Morgan come to mind). There is, however, a price to upside.

Ace: I think Taylor Decker (with Jack Conklin on the board) and Adolphus Washington (a host of quality DTs) went earlier than they should've, even though both are fine players. Demetrious Cox was one of the more questionable picks in the whole draft. I'll cop to overrating Josh Perry—I wanted Ed Davis, overcompensated in the aftermath of him going off the board, and... actually, I guess that kinda worked out.

Brian: Will Gholston.

[After the jump: why we drafted more Wolverines than Spartans]

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2. We drafted 17(!) Wolverines:
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That is the most Michigan guys in the history of this series. In fact it is more than ANY team had drafted last year. Homers? BIG TENNNN!? Or are we good?

Ace: A little bit of both. As everyone else has said, we didn't pick many Michigan guys early, which felt right, and then took a bunch later, which also felt right. I didn't come away from this draft thinking they're better than MSU, by any means.

Brian: I should point out that Cole was my "Brian never takes a punter" comedy pick and he should be dropped. Even so, I think we did homer it a bit. I took Amara Darboh too early; I think Cole wet too early; I think you could have made a case to wait on a couple other guys. But it's not a huge surprise: Michigan was a very good defense a year ago that we all saw get sold out by turnovers and special teams disasters. They return the vast bulk of said defense. I think we would have grabbed most of these players if we were a Maryland blog.

Adam: Peppers went in the second round, Butt in the seventh. After that there's a slow trickle of Wolverines taken. Better the devil you know, etc.

Seth: Or is that this format goes four deep at every position, and Michigan has a lot of okay guys? Only Peppers, Lewis, Butt, and Darboh went in the first forty picks, and the last was just because WR is so weak. On the other hand a lot came in the shrug rounds. If we weren't a Michigan blog we probably wouldn't have known about the Glasgows, Morgan, Henry, or Ross, but we'd have overrated others like Bolden. For the most part this is the Big Ten having few other okay ideas after all the good ideas are gone.

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3. What's the conference's weakest position(s)?

Ace: Running back has all of two sure things. I think we all scouted Indiana's transfer from UAB, Jordan Howard, in the hopes he'd help salvage the position, and all of us came away thinking he's not very good. Wide receiver lost a ton of talent from last year and doesn't have a lot of obvious top-tier guys stepping in. Defensive end has good top-level guys but dropped off quickly enough that two of us bumped players who mostly play 5-tech out to SDE, and both of those seemed like great ideas.

Seth: Running back is Zeke Elliott, Corey Clement, and then it's a long dive to get to Josh Fumbleson and Northwestern's sophomore who's getting pushed in camp by a trio of freshman. Receiver is a bit of an albatross. None of the top four receivers drafted (Carroo, Thomas, Hamilton or Westercamp) got drafted last year. In 2013 nobody had Allen Robinson, and I got Gallon so so late. We just don't know who the A-Robs are yet.

Brian: Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver. There was no point during this draft when a wide receiver went and I thought "oh that seems like a good idea," including when I got my guys.

Adam: I took Snidely Whiplash in the fourth round. Q.E.D.

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4. What's the conference's deepest position(s)?

Ace: There are some very good offensive tackles in the league this year. I was impressed with the number of draftable defensive tackles. Cornerback doesn't boast any All-American types but goes deep with solid, up-and-coming players—we left a few guys on the board who may come back to haunt us.

Brian: Defensive tackle. There is so much quality at the spot that we took a couple extra and shipped 'em to SDE and both of those seem like excellent ideas.

Adam: Offensive and defensive line, or more specifically center, left tackle, and defensive tackle. There's more high-end talent on the D-line, but you can go through any of our lines on either side of the ball and find at least two guys who will almost certainly play in the NFL.

Seth: Punter. BIG TENNN! Also DTs and center had a lot of good options after very good one and the All American one.

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East Off Def ST Total
Ohio State 9 8 2 19
Michigan 7 9 1 17
Michigan State 7 8   15
Penn State 4 5 1 10
Maryland 1 3 1 5
Rutgers 1 3   4
Indiana 2     2
West Off Def ST Total
Wisconsin 4 4 1 9
Nebraska 3 3   6
Iowa 2 3   5
Illinois 4     4
Minnesota 1 2 1 4
Purdue 1   1 2
Northwestern 2     2

5. More than twice as many players (72 to 32) came from the East Division. Is that correct or familiarity?

Seth: We should add that only three of the first 28 players we took were from the West: Clement, Maliek, and Westercamp. The third shouldn't have been there even considering how shallow receiver is. The numbers in the chart are real: Ohio State and Michigan State are top 10 teams, and while Wisconsin and Minnesota are good, Michigan and Penn State have very talented defenses, and offenses of potential.

The dreks of the conference—Northwestern, Purdue, and Illinois—are all in the West. We wanted to be back with the rivals, but there's a reason the Big Ten East projects to be as brutal as the SEC West in a few years.

Adam: I don't think it's familiarity. The chart to the right shows that the distribution of picks is correlated with the level of talent, with Michigan an exception for the reason above. When you're on the clock in the 24th round would you really take a Purdue linebacker over James Ross?

Brian: Correct. Believe me, I tried to find players from the other division and there were not a lot of appealing options.

Ace: It is correct, as anyone who's watched this conference the last couple years would tell you.

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6. What did you learn about a Michigan opponent this year?

Adam: Michigan State has a known commodity at QB, but I didn't like the advanced stats for any of their WRs besides Shelton (they had relatively low catch rates and yards per target) and their RB situation is a big ol' question mark.

There's also uncertainty in their secondary, specifically at corner. I almost ended up with two injured Spartans on my defense, as I assumed Darian Hicks would start opposite Cox and was close to taking him. Now that he's out with mono the competition is again wide open. State is a top-10 team because of their quarterback and front seven, but they're a top-10 team with a lot of uncertainty on both sides of the ball.

Seth: Maryland is way worse than I thought they'd be and Penn State is better than I feared. PSU's offensive line can get to mediocre and claim a huge improvement, and a few more seconds for Hackenberg and those targets should improve the offense enough that the unit won't be the reverse of its top 5 defense again. That is a bad matchup for Michigan especially since we lack the pass rush to really punish that OL, and lack the big play receivers to test the new cornerback.

Brian: Michigan State has assembled a worrying OL.

Ace: Michigan State's defense might be showing some cracks. There's talent but uncertainty in the front seven, especially with Ed Davis out for the year, and that secondary would make me very nervous if I were a Spartan fan. Meanwhile, Penn State has a chance to be quite good if their offensive line can block a soul and Hackenberg isn't perpetually rattled.

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7. Who was your biggest steal?

Ace: Braxton Miller, first and foremost. I was pleasantly surprised Joey Bosa and Jack Conklin fell to me where they did. As much as I hate to say it, I think Riley Bullough is going to outplay his draft position, as well.

Adam: If he has the kind of year he did in 2013 it's Levern Jacobs, especially considering the sorry state of the position in the conference.

Seth: Corey Clement. There was a huge drop-off after the first two RBs, and somehow the second elite one lasted four picks after Zeke Elliott. Also Ryan Glasgow is the Big Ten's second-best NT and came in round 18. Then to add potential all-conference guys like Trevor Williams, Josiah Price, Mike Dudek and Peter Mortell with my last four picks was robbery.

Brian: Dan Vitale. In a year with this WR crop—and this slot WR crop—a guy with 40 catches who is also a terrific blocker should have been higher on people's radars.

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8. What picks among the rest really impressed you?

Adam: There were quite a few, but I thought Briean Boddy-Calhoun was a steal for Brian in round 12. I was hoping he'd survive the turn and make it to me, but recreating Minnesota's secondary just wasn't to be. From a sheer ARRRRGH perspective it was Seth taking Leonte Carroo one pick before I was going to in the fourth round.

Seth: Until August 12 I was so mad at Adam for getting Ed Davis. Ace built a terrifying front in the early rounds, while also getting Michael Thomas and Jack Conklin, then played us all for Braxton Miller: slot receiver. Brian got Ngakoue pretty late, and Vitale.

Brian: I was going to grab Willie Henry and Ace came in a pick before to swipe him. I think we were all "dangit" when Adam got Butt and Pierson-El. Geronimo Allison should be good value for Seth.

Ace: Pat Elflein is the best guard in the conference by some distance, and Dan Feeney was also a nice interior line pickup. While he didn't really fit into my defense—I wanted to keep Bosa at WDE—I still considered picking Yannick Ngakoue, someone I monitored pretty closely last year after I went Terp-crazy in Draftageddon 2014. Brad Craddock was the specialist worth taking early to essentially gain a bonus pick later in the draft. Adam got a great value for Ed Davis. Sorry, Adam. I did love the late Levern Jacobs pick; he could end up producing like a true #1 receiver.

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9. Who is the crappiest player we drafted? Who was the biggest reach?

Brian: Kemoko Turay is some fancy sack numbers against bad teams and not much else. I took that guy last year, Therien Cockran, and the only thing he did is set off the Wolverine Civil War by hitting Shane Morris helmet-to-helmet.

Barrett #1 was the biggest reach, by far.

Seth: First Brian let's learn the difference between Cochran, a highly scouted 2-star who came up through Florida's football culture, and Turay, who was vaguely aware of football as a sport when Hoke won his Sugar Bowl. We are talking about vastly different levels of athleticism and vastly different learning curves. As for worst, let's just say Brian Cole has the "most to prove" as a punter, or as a slot receiver for that matter.

As for reach, Jordan Westercamp is like a Dileo plus an inch and Bill the Butcher's mustache, i.e. exactly the kind of guy we would appreciate around here with middle-round pick. Taking him in Round 4 however is a massive over-compensation. Adam also fell for the Nebraska safety hype trap that caught me last year, taking Nate Gerry in the 16th round. Ace took the wrong Penn State tight end, then I told him, and he spent his next pick on the right tight end.

Ace: I'm not sold at all on Demetrious Cox. While I'd love to be wrong here, I thought taking Amara Darboh in the tenth round was a massive reach even when accounting for the lack of proven talent at receiver.

Adam: I don't think he's a crappy player per se, but expectations need to be tempered for any true freshman receiver, and even more so when there's a fair amount of fall camp practice buzz surrounding young receivers with no mention of Brian Cole. If he fulfills his potential he will have had a nice career when all's said and done, but I was surprised to see him picked this season.

As for the biggest reach, I have to agree with Brian that it was taking Barrett first overall. I think it's going to work out perfectly, but I can see how it's a huge reach when I was staring down a 33% chance to start, Connor Cook, and Joey Bosa.

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10. Name some of the best players we left behind?

Brian: Illinois LB Mason Monheim will probably be that guy on a bad team who makes 150 tackles. Jake Duzey will be a perfectly acceptable TE after he's back from an injury that'll keep him out a few weeks. Desmond King had a great freshman year and could bounce back strong.

Ace: Three cornerbacks immediately come to mind without even having to look them up: Northwestern's Nick VanHoose, Iowa's Desmond King, and Wisconsin's Sojourn Shelton. VanHoose is just good, while King and Shelton both had promising freshman seasons followed by disappointing sophomore campaigns—I'd bet one of them (my gut says King) bounces back strong this year.

Seth: After watching the OSU-PSU game from last year, I'm now sure Marcus Allen should have been drafted instead of classmate Montae Nicholson, let alone Gerry, R.J. Williamson, or white Iowa safety du jour (no matter their actual skin color all Iowa safeties are white). Allen really came on late last year as a run stopper, and he's a cornerback-level athlete.

Northwestern's Matthew Harris is a bigger Blake Countess in the right system for it; I like him as much as VanHoose. Sojourn Shelton had a bad year but a very good spring; it would surprise me less if he's good this year than if he's as much a liability again. Some new DE (please be Taco) on one of the teams that graduated theirs will be pretty good. Finally, I was tempted to take Tanner McEvoy because he can be a 6'6"/230 wide receiver with recruiting film and gushing spring practice reports to back that up. Dollars to donuts Brian was frantically googling this guy to see if he'd ever punted.

Adam: I think Wisconsin's Alex Erickson could justifiably been picked if only because Wisconsin has to stop handing to Corey Clement and throw a couple of times per game, probably. Sojourn Shelton could also be a viable, interception-collecting corner (he had a great 2013), but I'm leery of anyone whose return to form is as heavily dependent on confidence as the Wisconsin blogs make his out to be.

Seth: This is getting long but I want to bring up some overrated dudes I thought might get drafted and correctly were not: Donovan Clark, OG, MSU; Jordan Walsh, OG, Iowa; Geno Lewis, WR, Penn State; Alex Erickson, WR, Wisconsin; Jordan Howard, that RB transfer from UAB with 1300 yards, Indiana; Thieren Cockran, DE, Minnesota; Mason Monheim, MLB, Illinois; Dean Lowry, DE, Northwestern, and most especially Jihad Ward, DE, Illinois.

Comments

LJ

August 25th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^

I hate to be that guy, but these posts surely have by far the lowest words:reader enjoyment ratio of anything on MGoBlog.  If they really just serve to preview the conference, couldn't we just have team previews instead?  It's hard to look at all the players separated from their teams and then assess team quality, which is what I think most of us really care about.

Please don't nuke me.  MGo is the best site on the internet.

EDIT: I just read the first rule of Draftageddon.  Glad to satisfy the stereotype.  Negged self for lack of reading comprehension.

alum96

August 25th, 2015 at 5:33 PM ^

Agree with Seth on Maryland and PSU (well I know he read my previews which said I'd buy stock in PSU this year, and sell it in Maryland). PSU this year is what we hoped UM would be last year - you ask the defense to be excellent and you expect the OL to go from disaster to meh.  And you expect your all everything high rated QB to perform as a 3rd-ish year starter.  They were uber young at offensive skill positions last year to boot so all those guys come back with experience.  Easy schedule gets them to 6-0 early as well, unless someone like Temple upsets them.

One point early on for Seth - Cox was a S last year for MSU not a beaten out CB who a shaky Hicks passed.  He is transitioning to CB this year. 

I laughed at Will Gholston...

ShadowStorm33

August 25th, 2015 at 5:36 PM ^

I think Franklin is the wildcard for PSU, and why I'd hold off buying stock in them. He can recruit, sure, but watching him fumble through the game against us last year, as well as I feel like some others, has left me with a fairly low opinion of him as a game manager. I'd say jury's out on PSU for the time being...

Seth

August 25th, 2015 at 8:47 PM ^

They tried to throw Cox at the problem too but yeah he was officially a safety who came over. Hicks didn't overtake him; Hicks was the original attempt at a starter, and when that wasn't working out they went fishing. He was also a non-factor in the wide open safety battle.

Yard Dog

August 26th, 2015 at 8:50 AM ^

the best athlete in the MSU secondary with Nicholson.  He did look out of position in the Cotton Bowl while at CB.  He will need to have made some big strides in the spring and this fall to even be a decent CB.  No doubt that MSU's secondary will be their weak spot.  They will really need their DL to apply pressure quickly to keep the secondary from getting exposed.

Sopwith

August 25th, 2015 at 5:41 PM ^

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Smoothitron

August 25th, 2015 at 6:36 PM ^

If this were a Maryland blog,  Brian would be the only writer, he would have drafted all 4 teams himself, and 3 of the 4 comments would be him responding to the Wake Forest fan who posted "B1G sux" 8 days after the column posted.

ak47

August 25th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^

I'm not buying Penn state until they are actually good. Franklin was a terrible oc while at Maryland and while he did OK at Vanderbilt he never actually made the jump to beating a good team. I think their ol being terrible masked Franklin being a bad play caller/coach and that will be more evident this year. He is closer to hoke on developing guys than dantanio.

Former_DC_Buck

August 26th, 2015 at 9:12 AM ^

It'll most likley be TL;DR, but here is something I posted over there (with a couple edits.)  It was in response to a question about why non-PSU folks see him as "Coach Hype."  And if there is a place for maximum verbosity, it is in a Draftageddon thread.

But, to some folks, there seems to be a bit of smoke and mirrors to those 9 win SEC seasons.

2012

9-4 overall 5-3 in the SEC.

The one OOC loss was @Northwestern (23-13) who went 10-3 that year and lost to you at Beaver Stadium, Nebraska at home and at Michigan. They did not play OSU or Wisconsin. They did beat MSU, but that was a down year for them 7-6 overall 3-6 in the B1G. Vanderbilt over the summer decided to retreat from battle against the Northern Aggressors and cancelled games against NW and OSU in 2013.

The OOC wins were

  • (FCS) Presbyterian(2-9), 58-0
  • UMASS (1-11) 49-7
  • @Wake Forest (5-7) 55-21

They did beat a 7-6 NC State team as well in the bowl game. A team that did stun then #3, eventual #10 FSU at home, with a 17-16 win in early October.

The conference games were as follows, I’m going to go with the final rank because I am lazy:

  • #5 @Georgia 12-2 (7-1) 48-3
  • #9 Florida 11-2 (7-1) 31-17
  • #8 SC 11-2 (6-2) 17-13 (first game of the season)

No shame there, especially given they are Vanderbilt. Again too lazy. No idea if the SC game was not as close as it looked or in Florida was closer than it looks.

Here are the wins:

  • @Missouri 5-7 (2-6) 19-15 First year in the SEC. Not an excuse, A&M did well, just a note.
  • Auburn 3-9 (0-8) 17-13 Gene Chizik fired as HC after the worst season in 60 years at Auburn
  • @Kentucky 2-10 (0-8) 40-0 Joker Phillips fired as Kentucky HC after three years.
  • @Ole Miss 7-6 (3-5) 27-26 Hugh Freeze First Season.
  • Tennessee 5-7 (1-7) 41-18 Derek Dooley fired after three seasons. The first time Tennessee had three losing seasons in a row since 1909-1911

Vandy got a break playing the 5th and 7th best teams in the SEC West. The only quality wins were @Ole Miss and @Missouri. Some dismiss Ole Miss as a one point win, but a win is a win especially on the road in conference. Same goes for Mizzou even if they were new. But two of the wins were over two marquee names Auburn and Tennessee that had historically bad seasons or runs of seasons. This looks very similar to B1G COY Jerry Kill’s 8-5 (5-3) season last year, except Kill had a better win in beating Nebraska in Lincoln and a worse loss in losing at Illinois.

2013

Maybe this is more like Kill’s season.

9-4 overall 4-4 in the SEC.

They won all their OOC games. Of course they traded OSU for Austin Peay and NW for UAB, iirc.

  • Austin Peay 0-12 (0-8) 38-3
  • @UMASS 1-7 (1-11) 24-7
  • UAB 1-7 (2-10) 52-24
  • Wake Forest 4-8 (2-6) Jim Grobe resigned at the end of the season 23-21

They beat bad OOC teams the way they should, except WF which looks like it was closer than maybe it should have been. Much like with Northwestern, Vandy decided to back out of games with WF, even though in this case they won

Again they won their bowl game, 41-24 over 8-5 (5-3) Houston, who had close (TD or less losses to a good Cincy team a pretty good Louisville team and the UCF team BO’B’s squad lost to. They also lost a shootout 47-46 against a good BYU (8-5) team.

Their Conference losses were:

  • Ole Miss 8-5 (3-5) 39-35 Vandy led going into the 4th quarter
  • #4 @SC 11-2 (6-2) 35-25
  • #5 Missouri 12-2 (7-1) 51-28
  • #18 @ A&M 9-4 (4-4) 56-24

Similar to 2012. They scored 15 unanswered points in the SC game to make it closer than maybe it was. Ole Miss is a rivalry game, I have heard, and it was the opening game, so not a bad loss, to my way of thinking.

Their Conference wins

  • Georgia 8-5 (5-3) 31-27 Georgia was #15 at the time but dropped out of the polls, then got to 25 and lost to Auburn and then were 23rd and lost their bowl game to Nebraska to end up unranked. They were a good team, their other losses were to Clemson and Missouri.
  • @Florida 4-8 (3-5) 34-17 First time Florida failed to be bowl eligible since 1990. This is somehow Urban Meyer’s fault.
  • Kentucky 2-10 (0-8) 22-6 Down to the colors the mirror image of PSU. Great at shootyhoops, football not so much. Mark Stoops first year trying to change that, was not too successful.
  • @Tennesse 5-7 (2-6) 14-10 Still trying to recover from Fulmer leaving, they are much like Michigan. A once great team lost in the wilderness. They played Vandy tough, but this is an in-state rival, I’ll ignore the MOV and say a win is a win.

Vandy got a break playing the 4th and 6th best teams in the SEC West, but lost to that 4th best team. Albeit on the road, but it wasn’t close. They lost to good teams in the east and beat the bad ones. The exception was Georgia. That was a quality win.

I know, they are Vanderbilt. This is sort of like the 95-96 run Northwestern had, though Northwestern beat pretty good Michigan teams those years, split against pretty good PSU teams and missed OSU. Vandy got similar breaks avoid Alabama, LSU and Auburn in 2013 (much better team) and A&M in 2012. The problem is the sample size is small. We know they have been historically bad. There are indications they were getting better, the Georgia and the bowl wins. But the 2014 results make you wonder what would have happened if he had stayed. How much of that was him leaving and how much of it was marginal improvement at Florida and Tennessee?

Me? I’m on the fence. I tend to think he got lucky a little bit. But luck is what you make of it. And it wasn’t all luck by any means. I also think he got when the getting got good, as my Dad used to say. I need more data. This year if Penn State wins 10 games, I might be sold, but I really think next year and the year after will be more telling, because I don’t see 10 wins this year.

Seth

August 26th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^

Excellent breakdown. I think the point about 2013 being a Jerry Kill season is well taken, but that needs to be framed in Vanderbilt terms. Minnesota got to 8 wins by being not bad at defense and stretching bad talent everywhere on offense except center., RB, and tight end as far as it would go across a weak Big Ten and non-conference schedule. That is the mark of a good coach doing well in a bad situation.

He's probably not even a B in-game coach but he's an A recruiter and B+ program builder.

One thing he has done very very well at Penn State and Vandy but couldn't at Maryland is get great assistant coaches. Bob Shoop is on the list of elite defensive coordinators, and even though the OL cratered that was a depth chart thing and their OL coach has a very strong track record. Their DL coach is amazing.

Lastly, Bill O'Brien left that team in amazing shape all things considered--he whiffed on OL and that is a major major problem. But Hack is an NFL QB if they can get him through this year without PTSD, and the defense is loaded, and those tight ends, and even the young guys at receiver and linebacker look pretty good. So even if Franklin has shortcomings in some areas, a ridiculously easy schedule this year plus his recruiting efforts and last year's apparent success in a bad situation sets him up well as long as those players take care of business. He does do some things that rankle the old guard but they have the sanctions era to buffer him from that--nobody there can really complain that they want the Paterno tree to take over again, especially if that means giving Jay a job.

Former_DC_Buck

August 26th, 2015 at 12:11 PM ^

And I agree with your sentiments on their depth and the reasons for it.  The orginal post had more mention of some things related Penn State thta I left out to try to avoid veering into a different topic.  Between the short time at Vandy and the situation he came into, at the mpment I can't tell if he is going to be overrated, underrated or just right.  It is a awit and see as far as I am concerned, but we can't have that.  We must know now. 

I have related concerns with Meyer and Harbaugh.  Not so much that they can coach and win games, no question there, but can they sustain themselves.  They both look like they are places where they coud be happy, but neither has been anywhere for long.  Again, time will tell, but where is the fun in not making wild speculation. 

Yard Dog

August 26th, 2015 at 8:53 AM ^

I have really enjoyed getting to know more about players that I'm not familiar with.  This recap was very well done. 

As was stated above by someone (I'm too lazy to scroll back and find the person), I'm starting to think PSU might be pretty damn good if the OL can be even mediocre. It feels like they have a lot of pieces in place to make life tough for the top teams. Maybe I'm just buying into the hype too much, I certainly hope that is the case.

ST3

August 26th, 2015 at 11:48 AM ^

Someone over at BTN thinks Van Hoose is the best CB in the B1G. For him not to be drafted, wow. Of course, maybe the BTN talking head just ranks guys like I do, by how cool their name sounds.

Seth

August 28th, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

Very good system guy but I almost like their other corner, harris, better because more upside. VanHoose is limited in what he can do. But he's really smart. You can have a good defense out of guys like that. Just none of us made that kind of defense.

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Blue Durham

August 29th, 2015 at 8:59 AM ^

I enjoy the draftageddons, it looks like a lot of fun to participate (and I bet it is a lot of work), but unless I have missed something from previous seasons, it lacks resolution. While there is a lot going on at the end of the football season with hockey and basketball, there has to be a way to score the teams chosen and come up with a "winner" (and loser for that matter). The easiest way would be to assign points for each player that makes it on to an All-Big Ten list (since there are a couple, average them). For example, a 1st Team team player gets 5 points, 2nd team 3 points and honorable mention 1 point. The team that has the most cumulative points wins the Draftageddon. This would also avoid the Heiko thing of selecting 5 QBs for his team (doing this would only reduce your chances of players on the All-Big Ten team). Something like this would be easy to calculate and not be too onerous during the busy December period. It also would not be subjective (at least on the 4 participant's part) and provide some kind of resolution. And finally, the 4 of you can take issue with some of the All-Big Ten selections. Then the winner can buy the blog a beer. I am sure there are other ways, but they become difficult when considering and trying to equalize the impact on the many non-statistic positions with those of QBs, RBs, WRs, etc. Just a thought.