Die By The Sword Comment Count

Brian

10/3/2009 – Michigan 20, Michigan State 26 (OT)  - 4-1, 1-1 Big Ten

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Tate Forcier had gotten away with three or four balls just like the one he chucked in the direction of a very, very covered Martavious Odoms on Michigan's final offensive play. In the first half, Koger bailed him out on a prayer of a deep ball that became Michigan's initial first down and led to a field goal. And Forcier had caused heart attacks twice on Michigan final drive. On the first play he "found" Hemingway conveniently located a foot behind a Spartan safety for a nine yard gain. On the play before the epic coverage bust that got Roy Roundtree open for the tying touchdown, he tossed a flapping duck into a cast of thousands. In retrospect—but only in retrospect—it was obvious that Michigan would die by the sword that brung them.

A third consecutive Forcier miracle would have been too much too compute. And this one would have offended the football gods for more reasons than "third consecutive game-ending drive to win or tie by freshman quarterback." In Michigan's comebacks against Notre Dame and Indiana you could point to factors hidden from the generic yardage statistics most people use to measure a team's worth: special teams and red-zone defense converted Michigan's yardage deficits into wins. This was not so much the case on Saturday.

Looking at the box score reveals an afternoon of vast offensive ineptitude. The only reason Michigan fans faced the prospect of a ninety-one-yard march in a driving rainstorm with three minutes and no timeouts with anything other that resignation is a testament to how quickly Forcier has grabbed hold of hearts and minds in Ann Arbor. I mean, look at this thing (Michigan is the first, ugly column):

  TOTAL NET YARDS  	        251  	417 
    Total Plays 	        60 	78 
    Average Gain Per Play 	4.2 	5.3 
  NET YARDS RUSHING 	        28 	197 
    Rushes 	                28 	49 
    Average Per Rush 	        1.0 	4.0 
  NET YARDS PASSING 	        223 	220 
    Completions-Attempts 	17-32 	20-29 
    Yards Per Pass Play 	7.0 	7.6 
    Times Sacked 	        3 	2 
    Yards Lost to Sacks 	33 	12 
    Had Intercepted 	        1 	2

Before Forcier's last-drive wizardry, Michigan had one excellent catch and run from Stonum, the aforementioned prayer to Koger, and 47 other yards total. (Michigan picked up 12 in overtime.) There was no indication anywhere that Michigan should be in the game, and they wouldn't have been but for the brilliant swashbuckling we've come to expect in five short games with Tate Forcier. Michigan's sword is a scimitar held  between the teeth as it swings on an unexplained rope into a ballroom. Sometimes they biff the landing and end up with a faceful of scimitar and cheeks in need of serious stitches.

This is the kind of thing that sees the inbox fill up with questions about whether Michigan should have gone for two. More on that later (quick answer: yes but not when you think). The important bit for this section is: that's Boise State thinking, and this was a game in which it was appropriate. Michigan richly deserved a loss to the point where fans were proposing taking a less than 50-50 shot at winning there and then, hoping to get one play right to steal a win and get out of town.

Michigan got outplayed. They showed how far they've got to go before they are back to being block-M Michigan, and yes it sucks that it happened at all and a bit worse that it happened against the yappiest team in No Accomplishments Land. It was going to happen at some point, and will probably happen again. The yardage margins are compelling at this point: Michigan's gotten by on smoke and swashbuckling so far, a team born to play a recurring role in Life on the Margins as long as they continue digging out from the talent and preparation crater that led to 3-9 and have a guy at quarterback that refuses to go down easy.

BULLETS

  • Pregame predictions here mostly bore fruit: Michigan State had a surprisingly tough day on the ground and an obviously easy one in the air when Michigan wasn't getting lots amounts of pressure (all three MSU turnovers were a direct result of that). Michigan's passing game was also good when people weren't dropping balls. But there were two huge exceptions: I didn't mention "oh by the way Kirk Cousins will run for 10 YPC"—in fact, I dissed his ability to make thing happen when he moved out of the pocket—and I didn't see State crushing Michigan's ground game for the second straight year. The first one can be explained by flukes and poor linebackers… the second… uh? That's one of the things you just don't know about until you go over the tape in minute detail, but I don't get it.
  • One possible explanation: Steve Sharik thinks Dantonio "gets the rivalry" to the point of manic obsession: "After watching MSU's D for their first 4 games and then today, it seems obvious that they spent almost all off-season and much of fall camp working on defending Michigan.  I don't know how else to explain how a so-so run defense, horrendous secondary and meh pass rush turned into the Super Bowl Champion Baltimore Ravens that suddenly." Michigan might be wise to have a package of stuff designed to combat this in the future; it was equally obvious last year that disproportionate amounts of effort had gone into preparing for Michigan. Congratulations, Spartans: you're 2-3.
  • It'll be interesting to see what happens against Iowa. Michigan gashes them, or even gets a decent day, and it's clear that State's mania is at another level and that Michigan's run game is okay for the rest of the year. Michigan gets shut down and it looks like Molk's injury is more devastating than anyone projected, the offensive line was getting by against teams short of talent, and things will rest more heavily on Forcier.
  • Defense was very strange. Outside of what might be the longest drive in the history of both programs (in terms of total yardage covered) it held Michigan State to 10 points in regulation and something like 250 yards. But, right: ceded 130 yard touchdown drive on which they had a 2nd and 25 and other instances of huge long yardage situations. That touchdown drive also made for a crazy first half in which Michigan got three drives. Still, the defensive line crushed State's conventional running game. State running backs averaged well under three yards a carry. That seems like progress even against a run game as weak as State's.
  • Not progress: linebackers. Jonas Mouton was almost wholly responsible for letting Kirk Cousins (who is KIRK COUSINS) outside of him for a 41(!) yard gain, and Ezeh and Mouton were the guys who let Cousins get from the eight to the one on third and goal, allowing State to punch it in on fourth down. We have to live with this all year.
  • Rodriguez said he didn't call for a fake on the ill-fated fake, and I assumed at the time that Zoltan was given the rollout punt/go for it option he picked up a couple first downs with last year. It was really, really not there, though, and he should have immediately punted it.
  • I hated the run-up to that. Would rather see Brandon Minor on some sort of power set than Forcier doing that off tackle thing, and it was fourth and an inch, and I would probably go for it there. QB sneak it, man.
  • Robinson's madden inability to adjust to the bubble screens was, uh, maddening. I'm at a loss to see how Michigan can't even throw it anymore but Michigan State can just line up in a twins set and have it open time after time. What happened to the defense we saw against Minnesota last year when Morgan Trent actually arrived before the ball on one?

GOING FOR TWO

Special mini-mailbag on this piece of PhD level game theory coaching moves:

Hi Brian,
 
Obviously we shouldn't have dropped back 12 yards to gain six inches or punted it away on successive 4ths and 1s, but the Romer go-for-it on fourth down angle has been pretty well covered. So my game theory comment is this: when you are down 14 and score a TD, you should go for two! 44% of 2pt conversions in last year's Big Ten were successful, so...
 
Possible outcomes:
44%: Make 2pt conv (44%), you win
25%: Miss 2pt conv (56%), then make 2 pt conv (44%), overtime
31%: Miss 2pt conv twice, you lose
 
So you can see you come out ahead, and you come out ahead with any conversion rate of at least 37%. (Not to mention the intangibles of tiring the defense for another snap or two, plus the fact that going for the throat would have to fire up the team.)
 
Might have made the difference Saturday. Thoughts?
 
Daniel Novinson

This didn't occur to me at the time, but: yes, Michigan should have gone for two after the Stonum touchdown. The scenario laid out above has occurred to a number other folk. They have proceeded to go into unnecessarily vast detail about it in various quasi-academic publications dedicated to the proposition that no decision in football should go unquestioned. Daniel above has it in its simplest form: when you're down two touchdowns late and you get one of them you should go for two and take a shot at winning in regulation early when you have another touchdown to make up for potential failures.

Should Michigan have gone for two on their final drive after having kicked on the Stonum TD? I don't think so. The rain was pounding at that point and Forcier was as gassed as I've ever seen a Michigan quarterback. The chances of success there are poorer than usual, I think. I mean, this happened two plays before:

((CAPTION)) Tate Forcier(5) drops the football in a dowpour at the end of the game as Michigan State beats Michigan, 26-20, in overtime at Spartan Stadium Saturday afternoon. (Dale G. Young / The Detroit News)2009.I'm not super confident in the offense getting one play right at this juncture. 

Comments

champswest

October 5th, 2009 at 12:27 PM ^

I think Rich Rod made the right call on not going for a 2 pt conversion. We were unable to run the ball all day and the thought of trying to get 3 yards in bad field conditions with a stacked D line, not to promising. Am I the only one who wonders why Tate is so gassed at the end of games (he was the same in the ND game)? I know he did a lot in the last drive and I am not trying to be too hard on him (he has played like a MVP all year), BUT, the offense was on the field less than 20 minutes all day. Why weren't our D players twice as gassed? Does Tate need some more time with Barwis?

Yostal

October 5th, 2009 at 1:12 PM ^

Tate was involved on every play of that drive, either as a passer, or as the ball carrier. So, he's actually exerting the physical effort of moving the team 92 yards in sheets of Hollywood style rain in addition to the mental energies of getting the play call, making his reads, knowing the clock, etc. In addition to the psychological pressures of knowing that if you make one mistake, it could be all over. Perhaps he was not so much gassed as just trying to make everything happen and wearing that on his face?

Blue Fan

October 5th, 2009 at 12:34 PM ^

What is the analysis of this? Offensive line not blocking? not opening holes? Running up the middle too much? Sparty doesn't have a better recruiting class. It wasn't the weather or they wouldn't have gotten 197 yards.

Durham Blue

October 6th, 2009 at 10:39 AM ^

I don't think we ran up the middle enough against MSU, IME. It seems like every Carlos Brown run was designed off tackle. Minor also seemed to traverse laterally before heading up field into MSU defenders. Maybe Minor's runs were designed to go inside but nothing was available? Moosman issues? I don't know. The propensity of the running game under RR is to bounce it to the outside rather than take it straight up. I'd like to see more I-formation fullback lead blocking, iso plays. It seems like we didn't try it against MSU.

Don

October 5th, 2009 at 12:35 PM ^

That about sums it up. With this young offense, getting to 6-6 is going to be much tougher than people think, especially with a defense that is so "aggressive" that our DBs play 10+ yds off the LOS regardless of circumstance and we rush 3 men on 3rd-and-long. 9-3? Unless our level of play improves dramatically on both sides of the ball, those are pipe dreams of the crack variety.

Don

October 5th, 2009 at 12:41 PM ^

At this point right now I'd say that's an "if" not a "when," esp. wrt to defensive recruiting and both lines. The '10 class still has some very large holes in it.

stubob

October 5th, 2009 at 12:44 PM ^

it probably wouldn't have made a difference in this game, but going for 2 when down 14 puts field goals back in play. For a team struggling on offense, sometimes getting to the 30 yard line is enough (again, not suggesting we would have been nailing 50 yard field goals off grass in the rain). I thought the rule of thumb was "Go for the win on the road." But I was yelling at the TV for CMU to go for the tie, since they had the momentum.

travelingblue

October 5th, 2009 at 1:06 PM ^

With all the optimism going around the last month I was wondering if I was still part of the same fanbase that has been moping around for the past 50 years. We lost one game. In OT. It doesn't mean that beating Purdue is going to be any more of a struggle than it did last week. I think we learned after Notre Dame that this team can beat anyone and lose to anyone on any given week. We don't need to beat Iowa, Penn State, and Ohio State in a best out of five series. We just need the once. And when you "live by the sword" anything is possible during that one game.

tvaduva

October 5th, 2009 at 1:42 PM ^

"Michigan's sword is a scimitar held between the teeth as it swings on an unexplained rope into a ballroom. Sometimes they biff the landing and end up with a faceful of scimitar and cheeks in need of serious stitches." Sounds like a new theory for the Joker *** A few thoughts: -Towards the end of the game, Forcier was getting a lot of time in the pocket, but it seemed like he waited until a defender got a hand on him before he would move up or scrabble for a high accuracy pass. Sometimes I feel like he is playing with us, he seems to wait until the last possible second before doing something spectacular (like the 2 TD drives with about 6 minutes left). -I was wondering if Forcier was gassed or injured or in pain those last 2 drives. I hope it was that he was just gassed. He will be even more magical after Barwis gets another offseason to get Frocier to puke that out of his system. -I was thinking that going for 2 after the first TD would be a good idea as well. After we scored the 2nd touchdown, I was very worried that we would be able to win it in OT.

BlueGoM

October 5th, 2009 at 1:42 PM ^

"Steve Sharik thinks Dantonio "gets the rivalry" to the point of manic obsession: " As I mentioned in my diary post, it seemed like MSU had some of our plays very well scouted. We needed to come out and throw a curve ball at MSU and we didn't, and they shut down the offense. Some of this may be mitigated as Tate and Denard become fully versed with the playbook. For now, we may be limited in some ways on the offense.

SeattleChris

October 5th, 2009 at 1:48 PM ^

I'm actually pretty encouraged by the comeback. Having played in college, with the time you spend on FB and everything else, some games you might have had good preparation, you might have everything lined up and when you show up you just don't have the "Ginga" that day across the board from coaching to execution on the field. I though that is what the team looked like end-to-end for the first 3 quarters. MSU as usual did everything to give us the game with turnovers and stupid penalties, but we "spartied the game" back to them giving up the third and longs. Also, I thought your usually imaginative playcalling was somehwat pedestrian (limited motion, trying the same run play over and again)and was obviously exacerbated by our butterfingered receivers and the above-average play of the MSU defensive backfield. I agree with Brian's summary and a lot of the comments here regarding the linebacker play. It's arguably the worst part of the defense and we need to get back to making good linebacking a focal point on our defense (thinking Jarret Irons, the 97 teams, Foote, Harris and others). Also, we have to remember that last year, Mouton was playing Will in a 4-3 type defense, where his responsibilites were primarly to make clean-up tackles and play in space (which he has regressed on this year). This year he is playing more of an ILB role where he has to take on blocks, make reads and tackle, which doesn't look like his his game. I was on the sidelines for the '05 OSU game and remarked how fantastic a well-coached, talented linebacking corps can be. Hawk and the others read, engaged, got off blocks and tackled so well as a unit, I remember remarking to myself that we needed to get our guys back to that level. Regardless, this will continue to be an exciting season watching the M version of the cardiac kids.

SouthU

October 5th, 2009 at 2:01 PM ^

I thought Gerg finally adjusted and took away the bubble screens in the 2nd half. Given the defense's propensity to give up big plays (and sketchy safety play) the last year or two, I can understand why he was prepared to die by a thousand cuts on bubble screens. Gerg tried the man coverage against ND and it didn't work out so well. They're not as good as ND's bunch, but MSU has 3-4 very capable receivers as well, so I can also understand the soft zone coverages (as painful as it was to watch -- almost as awful as watching the Purdue game last year). I don't think MSU went max protect as often as ND did though.

wfzimmerman

October 5th, 2009 at 2:21 PM ^

I thought we should have gone for 2 on the final possession. I rate Forcier's chance of converting a 3-yard play as substantially higher than 44%. Kid's a clutch player who's great at scrambling and the short passing game. How many of his possessions (throw or run) went for more than 3 years during the game? He was 17 for 32, so that's probably 15 or 16 passes for greater than 3 yards, and he had a heck of a lot of 5 yard scrambles. Conversely, I don't see how we could have justified, estimating the probability of winning in OT, away, against a team that outplayed us most of the game, at any more than 50%.

MaizenBlueBP

October 5th, 2009 at 2:19 PM ^

Blame it on this and blame it on that. Excuses are for the weak. We lost the game because we got out coached and out executed. End of story. Lets just keep getting better and keep our expectations reasonable with a touch of encouragement.

w2j2

October 5th, 2009 at 2:20 PM ^

I thought the Wolverine D-Line played a very good game. However, where was the linebacker who covers the quarterback? Gerg???? The game was crying for a guy who just stays in front of the scrambling quarterback. Those 3rd down runs were the difference in this game. Another way to put this game, is that Sparty linebackers totally outplayed M linebackers.

MGoBlog Fan

October 5th, 2009 at 2:41 PM ^

Consider this: entering the game, Cousins had rushed 3 times for 5 yards and had shown nothing but a predisposition to just wing it downfield when pressured. Can you really fault the defense for not playing him to run? Elsewhere on the MGoBoard, Cousins has been compared with Chad Henne (which is quite a compliment), but on that long run he reminded me of nothing but Steven Threet vs Wisconsin.

FrankMurphy

October 5th, 2009 at 4:30 PM ^

Even a 6'10" Frankenstein QB will take off and snag a few yards if he's got a huge hole in front of him. If you sell out and commit your linebackers entirely to defending the pass, you open yourself up to a big QB run no matter who is taking the snaps. Our linebackers and GERG (along with Floyd/Cissoko, since our weakness at that CB position is why the LBs had to be called upon to help out the secondary) probably share the blame equally for Cousins' long runs, since anticipation of a QB run should be built into both playcalling and execution. Having said that, the defense showed distinct signs of improvement, and their red zone resilience coupled with the three turnovers they forced are probably what kept us in the game. With their personnel they're never going to be the '00 Ravens, but they did as well as could have been expected under the circumstances.

matty blue

October 5th, 2009 at 5:15 PM ^

i highly doubt that opponent defensive coordinators were putting a spy on john navarre, for example. you're on the field, you get a choice between a receiver coming open and a slow qb waddling away from pressure, you stay with the receiver. i'm anxious to see the ufr, though - i wonder if the linebackers were way, way out of position on those plays, or if we had rolled the coverage away from the opening, or what...

pjmasi

October 5th, 2009 at 2:50 PM ^

Chance for me to look stupid here since stats class was a long time ago, but... I think the emailer has bad multi-event stats going on. You have to multiply the success rate for a multi-event scenario. 0.44 * 0.44 = 19% to get both (0.44 * 0.56)* 2 = 50% to get one 0.56 * 0.56 = 31% to get none It didn't pass the smell test that 2 wins is more likely than 2 losses when less than half of tries are successful. And I agree with Brian, chances of one play going right were probably worse than 44% under the conditions.

Dr Sardonicus

October 5th, 2009 at 3:04 PM ^

If you make it the first time, you kick the extra point the second time. You don't go for two the second time if you make it the first time. So here's the possibilities: 1) Go for 2 the first time, make it, kick the extra point the second time. 15 points, you win. That's .44 * 1 = .44 of a win (we're assuming 100% on the extra point kicks). 2) Go for 2 the first time, don't make it. Go for 2 the second time, make it. Go to overtime. That's .56 * .44 = .2464. You have a 50-50 chance of winning in OT, so that's .1232 of a win. 3) Go for 2 the first time, don't make it. Go for 2 the second time, don't make it. Lose. That's .56 * .56 = .3136. So your chances of winning with this strategy are .44 + .1232 = .5632, or 56.32%. Granted, your chances of missing the extra point in scenario 1 are greater than zero, so you can dampen that down a tad, but it's still over 50%.

Tater

October 5th, 2009 at 5:50 PM ^

They were the better team for however long the overtime lasted. As of now, though, they are 2-3 and UM is 4-1. UM is still the better team and the better program until the overall numbers say differently. MSU may define their program's strength on their performance in their Super Bowl, but the true measuring stick is the record for that season. If the trends both teams are following mean anything, they had better get at least three years' worth of bragging in this year.

RodRox

October 5th, 2009 at 11:22 PM ^

I get the same feeling. What if he is going for glory and many comeback wins? i know this is stupid but this guy is just unfrigginbelievable! do that tate thing all game dude. forget the heroics. be robot henne. also, why can't we put kovacs in place of mouton? kovacs can tackle with the best of them. bench mouton and move kovacs to his position and make a stevie brown 2.0 = finally 2 good lineman!! it is so depressing to watch iowa, penn state and ohio state linebackers - WHY DO WE SUCK AS LINEBACKERS? why can't somebody coach these kids. It is just so frustrating to watch. Can't somebody from this blog email GERG? talk to RR?