per rivals. didn't want to play corner
wanted him to play db rather than wr? does the staff now turn it up on Stokes or another db?
The guy was never going to play anyway. There was like 11 others guys who would get a pass their way before he would.
That must mean....Stokes, Holloman or Halstead are locked in if we let him walk. Right?? Please......
position. I've heard stuff about Toney Clemons transferring? Seeing as he hasn't contributed much while here I don't see it as a big deal, but wanted to see if anyone had any info.
we replace Peace with Dale Peterman, if they were really pushing him to play corner. But honestly, I think its time to give up on Texas. Too much effort for kids to bail on us because they don't like cold weather.
from TX left cuz of the weather? Mallett left because of Carr and leaving and new system, Guff left because he was homesick and because of family problems at home.
Whether it's because of the cold weather or not, pulling in kids from Texas has been difficult lately. Mallett, McGuffie, Beaver, Peace... There were a couple guys last year who showed heavy interest and then backed off. I'm not saying it's pointless to recruit Texas, but there have been enough failures there to possibly rethink our efforts in that state.
McGuffie complained about the weather, Peace complained about the weather and Beaver mentioned at least once that he had concerns about the weather.
Not to sound like an old man, but high-school kids will complain about virtually anything. Yes, it's cold up here - deal with it. If a kid plans on playing in the NFL, he going to have to get used to playing in places colder than 50 degrees in the winter. If the reason you don't want to play somewhere is because it gets cold during the winter, then you probably aren't that sold on the team anyway. Finally, it's not like Michigan suddenly experienced a cold snap in the past 2 years - Carr, Moeller, etc. found a way to recruit kids from Cali and Texas in the past, and I don't think that RR should close a pipeline like Texas just because a few kids mentioned they didn't like the weather on the way out.
Spoken like a true man from the Bronx.
All these guyes want to play in the NFL.
WTF do they think about playing games in Foxborough, Phili, Pittsburg,Chicago,Green Bay,Buffalo...etc.
oh and Beaver trying to wait out Forcier, not wanting to compete??? LOL, and I know he wants to play in the NFL!
Too much talent in Texas to bail on recruiting it just because a few kids bail.
I don't think it's a question of pulling out completely. I think it's just a question of how heavily we should recruit the state. Should we "waste" our time going after so-so recruits or should we just pick out the elite ones? Should we go after guys who are iffy about the weather/distance or should we just go after guys who have midwestern roots/a strong desire to wear the winged helmet?
Well no question go after elite talent where we can get it.
My point was just for each guy like McGuffie, Mallet, Peace and Beaver who either make it on campus and transfer or never make it on campus. There is a guy like Ortmann, Woolfolk, Stonum, Robinson and Herron. All of whom appear will be contributors.
refocus that attention on Florida where you're actually getting kids to stick.
This was inevitable. The last time I talked to him, it was more like his Dad made him stay than anything. The coaches made an in home visit, not sure what they said, then he decided to stay. He thinks he's better than he is, a la Jordan Barnes. I don't see this as a bad thing, especially if it opens up a spot for someone we weren't expecting, or are hoping for anyway.
Not that I would ever pick on a high school kid, but when Scout lists your areas of improvement as "Speed" and "Size", that doesn't bode well for your future as a WR in college.
I also don't think this decommitment hurts us much, since I think Peace was bound to be a benchwarmer. But damnit...we've been hovering around 20 recruits for a couple months. Every time someone commits, someone else decommits. We're never going to build back up our scholarship numbers if we can't get a full class of recruits.
Oh well. I kind of like the way the Peterman kid plays corner. He looks like a solid tackler, although he's kind of a risk taker in pass defense.
reminds me of Morgan Trent.
Trent started for three years and did some good things, especially in 2007. This is an okay thing, in my opinion.
"We're never going to build back up our scholarship numbers if we can't get a full class of recruits."
Believe in the snake oil, man. I feel like RR has another Ricky Barnum-type surprise waiting for us this year.
We've got Stokes coming in on the 16th and Adrian Witty (Denard Robinson's teammate) coming in this weekend. I'd say if Stokes doesn't work out Witty gets an offer, and may anyway if they feel it'll help with Denard. (Just a guess).
All three WRs are relatively the same size, with speed being the difference with Peace/Stokes and no info on Witty in that regard.
I know next to nothing about DeWayne Peace, but I can't blame Peace for seeing the situation for what it really is... On offense, at least, he was just a name to beef up the number of wideouts. We've got a lot of youngsters in the position already and it seems very likely that Ricardo and Jeremy J. would jump over him the second they arrive. I don't think anyone had visions of DeWayne Peace wearing the #1 in Ann Arbor.
If we get anyone this year, I would hope it's Stokes. He gets his media coverage of the kid here in PA and he's legit.
Witty has an offer, and is unranked by rivals, and a ** to Scout. He has an offer because he's Denard Robinson's best friend, and Robinson's coach has suggested that they may be a "package" deal. The two schools to offer both are us and Florida International. Witty is a pawn in the game to get Robinson - I'm not sure he's a viable player.
While rankings give us an indication I would not write off Witty as uesless or a pawn. Every year you hear of the Pat White's and Nate Davis's of the world so he may be a player at some point you never know. Also, I understand we may not have offered Witty a scholly without Robinson, but I think these guys have enough integrity to not offer a guy who has no chance of ever playing just to get another guy. That's not fair to the kid and the scholly is too valuable. I think the conspiracy theories get a little overblown.
All Caps guy may get and internet code red if I know this site.
As someone who grew up in Texas and then attended Michigan, I can tell you that the weather is a major factor. I thought I could adjust, but it was too much. Every year in college the weather got worse and worse; by senior year I was on the edge of going crazy. I went from mid 70 degree weather in December to snow and blizzards in Ann Arbor. After 4 years of living in Michigan, I'll never live in a cold weather place again. Don't discount the weather factor for these kids; it really means alot.
i didn't mean to have all caps on, I'm at work and I am using the caps on AutoCAD and i forgot to take it, but i'm still furious about saying trent is a good corner.
That damn work always gets in the way
Hey WestTexas nice that you're honest, but from someone shoveling snow at 5:30am this morning. I got 1 word for you....pussy. You can let me know that you are golfing later today to get me back. :-)
Haha I'm actually working a half day tomorrow and going golfing afterwards; it's going to be 77 degrees. Hope y'all are all layered up good and enjoying that snow :-)
I do enjoy the snow. It helps remind me that my Julys and Augusts won't be 105 degrees with equal humidity. Screw that, I'd rather be too cold than too hot, and there aren't many places in the country where neither is an option.
Hermosa Beach, California. Highs don't go above 80 or 85, never humid. It's gone below 50 about a dozen times in the last 2 years. It's about perfect. San Diego is just as good.
I was just there this fall for that last community concert on the beach. My wife almost lost her engagement ring... good thing there are plenty of guys walking around with metal detectors.
Except for when the high is 3,000 degrees on account of wildfires.
Besides, there are a million reasons why I wouldn't want to live in SoCal. Weather being one of them - it may sound weird to people who think there's only one good kind of weather, but I like snow, I like the cold, I like the change of seasons. I don't like the desert.
Hermosa is far from the desert, and there have never been wildfires there. Do your homework. And we are a short drive from the mountains, where you can enjoy the snow without having to walk in the slush or shovel your driveway. The bottoms of my pants are never wet when I walk inside and I don't have to worry about sweating when I walk into a heated building because I was so bundled up outside
I'm from MI and I'm not trying to knock it. But the weather there does suck. So I understand where these guys are coming from.
All this talk about your home town while I am freezing my ass and cleaning salt off my shoes here in A2 makes me wanna move in with you. I cook good salmon and I promise to clean the bathroom every week.
OK. 430 Hermosa Ave Hermosa Beach, CA 90254.
You'll move in on Saturday, and I actually have 3 salmon fillets in the freezer. You'll need to help with the dishes as well.
Can't we just go disposable?
Salmon on paper plates? Classay.
Also, my birthday party is on Saturday. You'll want to be here by then.
You're asking for a lot, do you need a gift as well? Please tell me there will be women there at least.
Help with the dishes? *grumble* told you I'd hate it within two weeks. Probably by the time the salmon's gone.
No way man. I've got a few pork tenderloins as well.
I hear he has a nice couch that's open.
Hermosa's only far from the desert because it is surrounded by a sprawling mass of urban landscape, which is basically built on the desert. And said sprawling mass is, I'm afraid, a place that I have liked on neither of my visits (except for the part inside the walls of Disneyland) and would basically be the absolute last metropolitan area in the entire country I would want to live.
You can pitch the mountains and stuff all you want, but if forced to move anywhere within a 200-mile radius of LA, it would take about two weeks for me to hate it. Just how I feel about it. Not everyone thinks sunny and 80 365 days a year is perfect weather.
The reason I say you can't compare it the a city that really is in the desert, like Phoenix for example, is because it never gets really hot. It hasn't hit 90 in the 2 years I've lived here. So you don't have to deal with either extreme, which was your original point.
And I agree with your last point that not everyone thinks sunny and 80 is perfect weather. But more people prefer it than 4 months of cold and gray and 3 months of sticky humid.
My family just came back for the holidays after spending the last 6 staying home in Dallas. Something happens to your blood, thins out during the 110 degree summers days or something. I never remember being so cold. I can't imagine how kids from the south ever decide to play in the north.
Then again, those same kids are dying in August during two-a-days when it doesn't get below 90 at night.
Sunny and 70 here today BTW!
W. TX makes a huge point. People who have been born and raised in Michigan have no idea the difference the weather makes. It's like being in a relationship where all your significant other does is nag for 25% of your day, then breaking up and dating someone who is actually pleasant 24/7. Or if you're going from anywhere warm to Michigan, the exact opposite. I was born and raised here but have been fortunate enough to live in warmer climes. Believe me when I say places devoid of grey skies and three inches of snow that turns into brown slush two days later actually exist! Why any of the recruits who visit this time of year choose to come here is WAY beyond me.
Comparing Michigan weather to a dysfunctional relationship cracked me up. Stroke of genius.
He is not a Michigan Man!....it was bound to be said.
PS- Good one Ziff.
Don't forget the requisite "I only care about players who want to play for Michigan!" said in the gruff Nixonian voice.
If RR and staff told Peace that they wanted him only has a corner, I think 1) feel real good about the 3 WR's they are still recruiting or 2) they feel pretty good about the guys they already have committed or on the roster.
I think it's great to be up front with a kid and tell him they need him at corner instead of WR, they could have told him, "sure play WR and then move him when it was clear he would never get anytime there" The coaches knew he wanted to play WR.
Good Corners are hard to find and Michigan will be lucky to find a solid one with the remaining few spots left (unless they go over 25).
Mallett & McGuffie transfer/Fera, Beaver & Peace de-commit. These kids all network - we have an image problem in one of the most fertile recruiting states in the country. Gonna take us getting back to winning supremacy before this changes.
Weather not a factor - we don't have hurricanes or 120-degree broiling sun for 2-a-days in August. And anyone looking to go to NFL has to be able to play in all kinds of weather.
I want to see statistics on northerners coming down and dropping out after 3-a-days in the 120+ degree heat index.
We will land someone better. If he can't live up to the winged helmet, we will find someone of stronger resolve and character.
Je'Ron Stokes and Travante Stallworth. Both can play WR so now maybe we get both of them.
The issue here is that the whole story sheds a light on how absurdly desperate we are for a CB.
We're bringing in unrated CB prospects, and backtracking on previous statements made to recruits in order to unearth one.
Clearly, if we continued to recruit WR's, and asked him to move, we didn't think that much of his ability as a WR. I'll give you that. But it does shed light on the desperation in the defensive backfield.
Good point, Chitownblue. Looks like there are only 7 of the top 50 cornerback prospects left, so it's slim pickings for us. Dre Kirkpatrick is a pipedream, Jayron Hosley is visiting us but we're battling Ohio State and VaTech, I don't think Demontre Hurst is interested in us anymore, and Mike Edwards is a Glenville alum and will be a hard pull.
Landing Denard Robinson would be huge, as some scouts are projecting him as a future CB; he could definitely compete at the QB position but if it doesn't work out, then he can possibly move to CB.
Right. Robinson is attractive because not only is he a potential viable competitor with Forcier, but if he doesn't pan out there, many seems to think he's an elite level corner.
Here's an admittedly biased opinion - living in an area of the country that gets cold in the winter develops character. I've heard it a ton of times and believe it. No offense to anyone in particular, but I've met a ton of flakes from Florida, California, Arizona, etc. In the midwest and northeast, a lot of people are tougher and not so whiney.
I hope it's obvious that this is a huge generalization. There are thousands of exceptions. But to be afraid of the cold is ridiculous. Give them a pair of skis or something.
Dude Tom VH is from Arizona, can you make an exception for him?
Tom VH is like James Bond, he goes where he has to.
And also we don't HAVE to use the max scholarships this year. If you use the max every year you'll go over the limit right? You're allowed 85. Max would put you at 100 in a 4 year cycle. I'd rather save space for next year than settle for 3 star guys who will never play solely for the purpose of getting 25 guys.
Acually you need to factor in closer to 5 years not 4 as over half the recruits red shirt.
But with attrition and injuries like we've been having over the past few years, numbers are always in flux.
Not so whiney? Come hang out with me for a day and I'll show you a ton of whiney people.
"Don't sit on me, Suzie!"
"Quit stealing my Twinkies, Suzie!"
"Why don't you buy some ProActiv, Suzie!"
PS. GSimms- CALL ME!
Don't equate being miserable with not being whiny. It's an excuse people make for not leaving the safe zone of where they grew up and where their family is.
Safety net indeed. I like variety in just about everything aside from having 1 lady at my side.
How come I never heard of "DeWayne Peace" before this morning? Should it bother me that he decommitted?
Is it possible that Michigan's horrible history at safety will transfer over to corner in the future? ehhhhhh
If I live to be 85 years old, I'll probably lose bowel control. That doesn't mean I should start shitting my pants in preparation for it. If a guy really doesn't like the cold, I think he'll do just fine prepping for the NFL in the SEC.
(I love Michigan's weather, winter and all, but it's not for everyone.)
Good point, though if you're about 70 and someone offers you one of the best opportunities to prepare for unexpected self-defecation, it may not be a bad idea to at least consider it.
Leaving this analogy, I agree that Michigan's weather is not for everyone, but neither is the weather found in most of SEC land. Sure, it's warmer than Michigan in most of those states, but it can be unGawdly muggy and hot, torrential rain is not uncommon, and it's not like it stays above 60 all year around - it can get quite frosty and gloomy in the winter months. I don't fault these kids for not wanting to deal with A2 winters, but I just hope that they put some real thought into their decision beyond snow=bad.
I don't mind losing the 84th best WR in the land. I do mind the lack of depth at CB and LB. Got to get that snake oil flowing.
As for the cold weather: The fact that Roh and Lewan are coming proves they're not girlie men.
by any objective observer's standard, A2 does NOT have extreme weather. not that much snow, not that much heat, not that much cold. no hurricanes, no tornadoes, no earthquakes, no nor'easters, no biblical droughts, no biblical floods.
Then we are in good shape for the guys who are deciding between Michigan and The University of 14th Century BC Egypt.
Dude they have a good pornography class there.
Tornado's hit pretty close to Ann Arbor it seems like every few years, at least every five.
HBO's wonderful special about the integration of college football featured an interview with legendary State defensive end Bubba Smith. A Texas native who was forced north due to segregation, Bubba talked mostly about culture shock that I can't imagine exists anymore (not knowing what hash browns were, for example). But he also talked about snow and the cold, and how the first day it snowed in East Lansing he fell and skipped class for the day because he hated the snow.
Keep in mind, sometimes it can go the other way. I remember Rod Payne (a Miami native) saying that he was excited to see snow for the first time and couldn't understand why the Michigan natives complained about it.
Union Cattle Company? Sounds like a sausage-fest to me.
In your experience, do drunk girls (a) like riding a mechanical bull, or (b) dislike riding a mechanical bull?
I'm voting for (a). Maybe it's different in Virginia.