He has a long time to recover. Him going out there banged up won't make him any more prone to a serious injury than if he was out there healthy. Going from "banged up" to "really banged up" won't change his status for next year at all. If he's the best option, you play him. You play to win.
Devin Gardner's Certainty Is Uncertain
I'll take "inappropriate file photos" for 1000 [Bryan Fuller]
The most important bit out of Hoke's latest presser will not please you:
Hoke: Devin Gardner held out of practice again today. Still using crutches
— Nick Baumgardner (@nickbaumgardner) December 16, 2013
Hoke wouldn't go as far as calling Gardner questionable for the bowl game. But doesn't sound like a total certainty right now.
— Nick Baumgardner (@nickbaumgardner) December 16, 2013
Hoke probably wouldn't call Gardner questionable if he had been eaten by a dinosaur and was listed by the athletic department as (OUT—Time Traveling Velociraptor Attack). For this exercise we are assuming Michigan is issuing injury reports, and yes that's less realistic than Time Travelling Velociraptors.
If Gardner doesn't play in the bowl game, it's hide yo' kids time.
[4:08 PM] Ace: on the plus side, this could silence all the shane morris truthers.
[4:09 PM] Brian Cook: "plus side"
The game means something to me. I dont like it when my team loses. Full stop. Also the reps would help. But i agree that the next season is more important.
I does matter from a W/L perspective. Whether or not the fans care is the issue
This concept of that fans not caring seems craxy to me. So what you don't like the sponsor attached to the bowl? Michigan is playing, so we want to win. I can't imagine this scenario so many of you are in where you don't care if Michigan wins their bowl game or not. I just can't wrap my head around this.
I want to win as much as anybody else but a healthy Devin Gardner for next year is more important. He is obviously injured and if he suffers a serious injury due to getting sacked a bunch more times then next year could get dicey and we really need the best possible chance to win next year. That is Devin Gardner right now. The other thing is it sounds like he has not been practicing much. I don't think the coaches are going to put him out there half he doesn't go through practice just like they would for any other player.
Then I would say you don't want to win as much as anybody else. Worry about next year next year.
Playing hurt really doesn't increase your chance of a serious injury. Only a very major injury would keep him out next fall, and playing hurt won't increase his chances of that.
To be fair, I don't anyone knows the severity of his injuries save for Gardner and the coaching staff, and who knows if they have a full read. Playing hurt can definitely increase your risk of more grievous injury if it changes how you move and play the game, as you may expose yourself to a hit, a change in direction, etc. you normally wouldn't have because you are compensating. So just because you won't "over-turf" a turf toe injury, for example, it doesn't mean you couldn't plan your leg in a weird way trying to compensate and possibly tweaking a back muscle or something, for example.
It is very important to recruiting that Michigan plays well and wins this game. Every recruit out there that Michigan is recruiting wants to go to a winning program. This game is HUGE for the recruiting world !!
Your first sentence is clearly false.
If Gardner is at a substantially increased risk for a catastrophic injury (a possibility that we have no evidence to assume is true) then he probably shouldn't be playing regardless of the game circumstances.
Otherwise, Gardner is the QB. If he can play and help the team he should play. This game matters as much as any other random game. You can't bubble wrap Gardner and only use him when it is "important." It doesn't work that way.
There is plenty of time to heal in the off season.
Listen, I totally care about wins and losses. But I do think that there is a segment of fans who looked at this season and how it transpired and are mentally checked out until 2014. They'll be happy UM won, but a December 28th game late at night probably won't lead to a massive liveblog around these parts.
I don't get it either. It doesn't matter whether somebody is disappointed in the season or not, or whether they wanted KSU or another opponent in another bowl game—you still have to want Michigan to win every goddamn game they play, in any sport, regardless of circumstance. If you don't, then calling yourself a Michigan "fan" is a stretch.
Honestly, I come on this blog and read most posts most days. I suffered through the fire RR days and, more recently, been through the Borges days. I witnessed the fighting between the posters that fell on both sides of those debates. I can't imagine that the people that showed such fire and emotion for their team in those two instances now don't acre if we win a bowl game.
It wouldn't matter to me if we were 0-10 or 10-0, when UM is playing I want a win, whether it's a football bowl game or the parcheesi national championship.
I hope Shane shreds the KSU defense. I've been wanting to see what he can do for a while now. Now that there's really nothing to lose, hopefully they let him off the chain and maybe we'll see what could be or could've been?
And the DG to WR threads will be crazy.
While I would hope the same thing IF DG can't play...the thought of that almost makes me sick. Next year would be unbearable until Devin turned into the best college QB ever to play the game.
I don't think many would be swayed by a good Shane Morris performance. The people calling for him to start next year would be the people who are already calling for it.
What's so bad about having a good backup QB? A good performance would make me feel really good about our depth next year, not make me want to switch.
Please tell me you actually communicate using old-fashioned, red and blue AOL Instant Messenger chats.
Which Smiths song is Brian's go-to away message, I wonder? Hell, which one is in his AIM profile?
i scrolled down the comments just to find this one. i feel like i win for knowing someone else would notice the aim and comment on it.
which is better than having Devin go down in the first quarter and Shane then entering the game. I hope Devin is ready to go, because he's more than earned the right to be this team's QB. If he can't, we'll get an extended future preview of the Shane and Al show.
And having lots of injuries don't help the other injuries heal.
What the turf toe thing comes down to is somewhat similar to Denard and his nerve, IIRC. Turf toe is one of those things that you can play through and it won't make things much worse, other than it'll just take longer to heal and you'll feel like absolute crap and be a shell of whatever you normally are (the worst case is it probably leads to you favoring it and then hurting other parts of your body) to varying degrees (ranging from not a whole lot different to being useless). It's also one of those injuries that could feel better tomorrow or it could last for months, and all you can really do is rest it and hope.
So yeah, DG could be back for the bowl, or he could be out spring practice.
paging doctors for a full and clear explanation of the mysterious turf toe. my understanding is that it's a tissue injury to the joint in the big toe.
The problem with it is that you basically can't walk, jump, run, or anything like that without using your big toe, so you just keep re-aggravating the injury - or such is my non-doctor understanding.
This pretty much in my experience. I had turf toe my senior year of highschool when I tackled a guy and he landed on the back of my foot with my toes bent... I'll never forget that pain. Two weeks on crutches and another two before I dared run on it even with it tapped up like all hell. Even then it was throbbing pain when trying to run. 12 years later it still gets aggravated every now and then if I'm not careful.
So, if DG's is anything like mine was, it's going to take a while to heal before he'll be at 100%, hopefully his isn't as bad and he'll be serviceable for the bowl game!
in addition to hiding my kinds, i'm going to hide my wife.
Is Cone ready to go?
He changed jersey numbers every year and never got to play. But those mic skills....dammit, those mic skills....
David Cone. Nice pull.
fresher than Febreze.
In all honesty its the freaking bdubbs bowl, who cares. I just want to see underclassmen play well and play hard.
i don't think taylor lewan, jeremy gallon, fitzgerald toussaint, michael schofield, thomas gordon, cam gordon, brendan gibbons and a bunch of other guys care if you care. i am sure they want to win their final game at michigan and the rest of the 80 guys want to help them.
For a moment, I forgot that there "Shane Morris truther" was a thing.
How is it possible that we are a good 30 minutes past the first comment and no-one has posted the H-Bomb picture? Is jhackney even alive anymore?
If #98 can't run and throw in anger, I'd like to see what Shane Morris, QB of the Future, can do in the bowl game. However, my worried mind won't leave the possiblity of Shane losing a kidney behind this year's OL.
...that it sounds an awful lot like the RGIII situation; long-term health being placed over short-term use (minus, of course, the daring-ownership-to-fire-me sensibilities of Shanahan); in other words, if the injury has revealed itself to be worse than initially suspected, the staff and DG could credibly have decided that making sure he heals properly and fully is the highest priority... the obvious and unfortunate consequence, of course, being the effect that has on the seniors' final game in the maize & blue, but Hoke et al. seem to have an admirable habit of favoring the personal well-being of each of their individual players... hoping he's ultimately ok, but I couldn't fault the staff much if they determined DG would risk too much to come back in time for the bowl game...
Well, when I read this title on Twitter, my first thought was that Gardner's uncertainty for next season was up in the air, so I guess I'm slightly relieved?
I hope he gets a chance to play, if for no other reason than to keep Shane Morris alive. But at the same time, if he is injured I would rather him sit and recover rather than risk injury. The seniors still want to go or on a win, but I'm sure they don't want to push a teammate in the process.
Nick Sheridan or Justin Feagin, so this 2013 bowl game situation is just really not all that bad you guyz.
holy moly, justin feagin reference. you win the day.
when it was Russ Rein, and he had to play.
The 2008 Ohio game.
Threet out with an injury.
The double headed QB monster of Sheridan/Feagin.
DG is an incredible team player and very good when he is on fire. He has done everything a coach could ask for within his abilities- super kid. Still, I think his great last game has overshadowed a lot of terrible performances. He is still extremely inconsistent after years of practice. If Shane starts the bowl game I think it makes it much more interesting to see what a different style of QB does to Borges offense. What if Shane does very well? What then?
I feel as tho you are ASSUMING we can run the ball?
also in the camp of thought that seeing Shane get some meaningful reps sounds like a good idea. This game really doesn't mean much, and getting some good PT right now is a good thing for the future of our program. Having two QB's that are good is not a problem in my eyes. I would love to have a QB controversy next year and maybe even play them both a bit. I really don't think that "if you have 2, you have none" addage still applies to today's college football. There are plenty of programs that role with 2 successfully. Teams like that are already prepared for injury, and you don't expect a downward spiral of a season if that happens.
Shane Morris starts. Borges simplifies playbook which actually makes offense more successful. Off season is annoying chorus of Borges defenders. The more Shane learns the more the offense regresses.
Sorry for that. My optimism has been shattered.
How is it regressing?
for the first game (this is all hypothetical, keep in mind) Al would simplify theplaybook and the offense would look great because things were simplified. Then, in the off-season people who talk about how great Al is and everything is going to be wonderful. Then, as we get into next season the playbook opens back up and the players look confused and we regress again on offense.
Kind of like what we saw last year when DG first came in. It was a simplified playbook because he wasn't practicing at QB and the remainder of the season with DG and a simplified playbook things looked pretty good (like 2011 during Al's first year with Denard). Then as things went on (and you'd expect things would get better with time) things seemed to regress.
I think what some believe is that Al looks good early because he uses a small playbook but once he has some time under his belt he starts to open up his book and ends up confusing everyone. Perhaps running too much and not being good at any of it rather than trying to be good at a few things.
After saying all that I could be wrong, that's just what I got from his post.