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Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
Yesterday Jordan Kovacs casually tossed off something about helping out Dennis Norfleet—or dennisnorfleet, whichever—and other young safeties with minutiae, and then there's a clip of a 5'6" guy wearing 26 tackling someone else:
I hate this for lots of reasons.
The chance Dennis Norfleet becomes a good safety seems minimal. There's being small, and there's being Norfleet small. Bob Sanders is the go-to-comparison here and yes okay there has been one Norfleet-sized safety in the last ten years of college football who has been really good. I can think of plenty of mini-me running backs who have been somewhere between okay and great. Garrett Wolfe, Brian Calhoun, and Jacquizz Rodgers pop immediately to mind, a guy like Vincent Smith has provided Michigan value.
There would seem to be no need to make this move unless safety depth next year is just terrifying. With Gordon/Wilson the presumed starters, the very idea they'd need to move a kid like Norfleet to D says bad things about replacing Kovacs, or that neither Furman or Robinson is viable even as a backup.
Nickel corner? There's even less of a need there. Avery returns, Delonte Holowell is locked into nickel-or-nothing, and Terry Richardson is also a nickel sort. That they'd even try this seems to indicate a need in the secondary that can only be explained by attrition or inability to play.
We're really going to make this move before even trying the guy as a change of pace/third down back? He's clearly not needed to play S for the bowl game, but he may be needed to run the ball since Rawls isn't really getting it done and Norfleet—a guy who Hoke was pushing to get on the field on offense early this year—is just going to go by the wayside to not play safety? WTF?
I mean, if we're trying to win a bowl game here Norfleet has a much better chance of helping that cause on offense than the sideline watching Kovacs and Gordon play safety.
Hoke mentioned something about burning Drake Johnson's redshirt, which he probably won't actually do, but he has put it on the table:
He offered the proposal when asked about his running backs, who will take the field Jan. 1 against South Carolina in the Outback Bowl without starter Fitz Toussaint. Sophomore Thomas Rawls, redshirt freshman Justice Hayes and senior Vincent Smith are expected to be in the rotation.
That indicates Hoke would like to see true freshman Drake Johnson get some time against the Gamecocks. Johnson, who starred at nearby Ann Arbor Pioneer High School, is redshirting this year.
"Maybe," Hoke said. "We like what Drake's done to this point."
So instead of trying out the guy that Michigan thought was good enough to play on kickoffs they're thinking about burning a redshirt for a guy who only got an EMU offer before Fred Jackson swooped in.
This could mean Norfleet isn't good at running the ball to the point where it's not even worth trying him over Rawls. I find that hard to believe after watching his high school tape, but it is a hit on any expectations you may have for the kid as a runner. The nonsensical-seeming position switch is the first step on the road to obscurity.
But more likely it means he's not good at running through unblocked guys and that he might never get a shot running behind an offensive line that could get him some cracks.
Hopefully this is dismissed as a crazy bet Fred Jackson lost by Saturday.
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Given that we knew Devin's foot and/or ankle got a little banged-up during the Ohio game, did anyone else think he looked fairly uncomfortable running at about 1:00 in the video? Here's hoping that he feels a lot better by Jan 1.
Maybe Brian, South Carolina, etc. are just being punk'd by Hoke & Co. Seriously, when does Hoke ever give honest information about who is hurt, who's going to start, who's going to play what position, etc. until about 3 seconds before the game starts?
I have no idea what is going on, if anything is going on. I think that is true of everyone. If moving Norfleet to safety doesn't make sense, maybe it won't happen. Kovacs' comments are intriguing, but I think we are jumping the gun on this a bit.
is it next football season yet?
Still this season. And we still have another game in it
Teric Jones stunk and was a terrible recruiting judgement, but moving him to CB (from RB/WR) made zero sense. It was a desperate move to address a need and try to find a player with speed a role on the team. It was still a dumb move and it failed spectacularly.
I hope this move does as well, because this offense is going to need playmakers and speed and Norfleet is one of the few pieces on the roster likely to provide it over the next couple years.
"We're really going to make this move before even trying the guy as a change of pace/third down back?"
Does this mean that we're not going to get to see Dennis in the I-formation on 3rd and short and try to run between the tackles??
Could we move either Hayres or Norfleet to slot receiver?
Slot-mites aren't really a MANBALL type thing. So no, probably not going to happen.
But the question (for someone who knows more about football than me) is why? Why couldn't we integrate the dreaded bubble screen into a MANBALL offense? I could be very mistaken, but didn't we run quite a few bubbles in the later Carr era, even if half of them were DeBord putting Breaston 1-on1 with a corner and hoping he'd make a guy miss?
That's just the thing. There's always a place for playmakers on offense, no matter what their skill set is. A good OC adjusts the plays and calls to maximize the potential of their weapons. A lot of MANBALL teams do this as a change of pace to their base offenses. I think we should to. Creativity is needed to make an offense elite.
And that's the odd thing about Borges, because he's known for tinkering with an offense and not being afraid to try new things. Given that, I don't understand his aversion to bubble screens to get his slot mites out on the edge quickly.
The only thing I can think of (and by 'think of' I really mean 'really hope') is that we are so ill built at the current moment to run the base offense Borges needs, that he's just not comfortable tinkering with change-ups. Hopefully in a few years when the OL has matured and backed up by other All-Everything candidates, we'll see Borges get more comfortable and shake things up. But I'm also worried that we just won't see that happen as well.
I've thought the same thing, and frankly, if that's the line that Borges is going to take, either publically or with himself, that's a pretty big cop-out. Not that I'm calling for his head or anything, but this season was certainly not one of his more stellar ones.
the age of slot ninja is over.
the time of the orcs has come.
I'd be willing to bet this is a motivational ploy to the DB's (minus Kovacs and Gordon) and nothing more.
I hope this means Borges and Mattison are working together on evaluating players, needs, and especially game planning. I know the main reason Bob Stoops brought on Mike Leach as his OC when he took the job at Oklahoma was because Leach's offense was the one that gave him the biggest headache when he was DC at Florida. I would think Mattison could offer tips on what would frighten a DC planning against Michigan, and vice versa.
Being as brief as I can, u guys have to keep in mind Ohio runs a spread offense, and we need the smaller fast type db's to keep up with the skill position guys they have over there. I'm assuming recruits like Ross Douglass fits that need as well. This may be what the coaches have in mind by making this switch.
Lamarcus Joyner has had success too, but him and Sanders are 195-205. Would Norfleet be the same return man with 40 extra pounds? No way.
The only article I could find said that Kovacs liked Norfleet at RB.
Kovacs said other young players who have impressed him are Norfleet at tailback, Jarrod Wilson at safety and Ross and Joe Bolden at linebacker.
I don't know how I would have felt 4 years ago if someone would have told me our best option at Safety is a walk on. The deck is deffinetly stacked against him at Safety, but 5' 6" does not mean hes in incapable of tackling. I'm not sure what his vertical is but you would have to guess based off his speed that his leg muscles would allow him to jump higher than most people 4 or 5 inches taller than him. Im 5' 6" tall and at 18 I could easily jump as high or higher than guys who were 5' 9" or 5' 10". I also don't recall Jordan ever knocking the ball out of a recievers hands at the highest point.
I mostly agree with Brian's reasoning about why this is disappointing, but what I've seen from Norfleet hasn't been impressive to me.
I mean, he's a very small guy who accelerates quickly, but who never seems to juke anybody. If the KR is just going to run full speed ahead into people, we might as well get somebody bigger and faster back there.
I imagine that this problem would be the same if he were playing RB. If he's not big, not super fast, and not willing to use his quickness to juke folks, then he's not going to be successful.
When Norfleet becomes an all Big Ten safety I'm gonna post the link to this in all of Brian's stuff.
And then I'll probably get banned.
I'll say this about Brian:
I have questioned him numerous times, even posting blog entries about how I disagree with him. And while he's taken a shot back here or there, I have never been banned, had posts deleted, or been negged to Bolivian. He doesn't mind "free speech" as long as there's some substance behind it and it's not unnecessarily offensive.
I got negged by him once for 500 points. I said something childish about Dantonio. I'd still give Brian my bone marrow if he needed it. Dudes blue as one comes.
If Norfleet ends up All-Big Ten safety, then Brian will probably be jumping for joy because well probably be a good team. He'd probably say something like "whew, glad I was wrong about that one."
Man, I was really hoping Norfleet would fill the Vincent Smith plunging hopelessly into the line in short distance situations position thats open for the first time in years
Can he do that AND play safety?
He sure could. I mean its not like he'll be tired after running for one yard on third and three.
I'm not a relationship therapist so I can't really comment on 90% of the users posts in this thread, but maybe, just maybe, Norfleet (currently used on returns and jet sweeps and does not have a large offense role to prepare for, who played some DB in high school) is helping Gardner and the Offense prepare for Essssssssss Eeeeeeeeeeee Ceeeeeeeeeeeeee speed in the secondary.
People are getting too worked up about a possible position switch in December. The 2013 season is nine months away. The coaches will have 15 bowl practices and 15 spring practices to decide whether or not this move will succeed.
So...time to offer Berkley Edwards?
They guy seems to have horrible instincts on kick returns, routinely brings balls out of the endzone that he should not, and hasn't even sniffed snaps at RB this past fall.
Agreed that it reflects very poorly on the safefy situation, but that is it. You definitely can't write off a guy that has only been on the team for a few months, but you can't annoint him as the next great thing either. I always though that he was kidding, but the lenght of this post leads me to believe otherwise.
Hoke needs to step in and stop these shenanigans. He should make Borges and Mattison go back to playing for matchsticks and stop letting them throw players into the pot.
I think the answer here is obvious. This is to set Norfleet up to win the heisman!
Starting DB, kick returner, dabbles on offense....sound familiar guys?????
It seems a little premature to freak out about the possiblity of Norfleet moving to Safety based on the "evidence" of one bowl game practice, doesn't it? If he is still practicing at Safety in the spring I might start to notice it. If he is still practicing at Safety in fall of 2013, I might get a little worried, until then...meh.
No. Not Jeff Backus. Jeff Backes. Jeff Backes was a Mr. Ohio football player passed over by Tressell because he was too small. He came to NU and was a running back fr year then converted to safety/db and started nearly every game he was healthy. He also returned punts and kicks. He is listed at 5'9" 190 but I knew this kid pretty well and he was no 5'9". Definitely not. He did have serious guns though which might have made him a better tackler than DN could be. Also, NU secondary caveats apply. Before you go dissing the Nebraska secondary, NU in my mind refers to 'Cats.
Dude, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and say "why am I making long numerical lists that rant about crazy implications based on a 1 second video clip?"
Because that's what the Internet is for.
I'm rarely critical of this staff, I'm never wishy washy. But I hate this move...even if it's some motivational tactic, it's just silly.
We need playmakers on offense, especially now that we're losing Denard.
Maybe move Norfleet to slot WR, but to defense? WTF? Makes no sense. Doesn't matter how much Johnson is progressing.
5'6 safety's never make sense. Boo ba car.....
Late to the game here, but ...
Wasn't Norfleet's most important feature his elusiveness "in space?" That's what I remember from the recruiting write-up. If so, is there a reason he can't be Gallon-esque (or maybe Odoms-esque) as a WR? I wonder if he maybe has hands of stone and they've already written off that possibility. If so, bummer ...
Over reaction. If norfleet takes snaps as a safety in practice, it won't stop him from still returning kicks and possibly punts. I doubt whether he becomes an every down back and he could be behind Hayes as a 3rd down back...Hayes could end up being a slot guy too...did Chris perry have a 3rd down back? If Smith or Green are legit, why do we need a 3rd own back? Also, doesn't Hoke frequently put more defense on the field during practice? Seems like he mentioned this strategy sometime before the Bama game. He's probably putting Kovacs in the box, and keeping an extra safety back to prepare us for SC's speed and power...
Sort of surprised that everyone is taking this premise and running with it off such little evidence. Kovacs included his name among the players he is helping and then he appears to be in the clip on defense.
It means something is up, but doesn't necessarily mean he has outright switched to defense. Could just be something they are trying out, with him working on both offense and defense.
Not a big fan of DeBorges, so the explaination that he just doesn't know what to do with him sort of makes sense. But then, if they don't think he's a running back, how hard would it be to look at the roster and see that Gallon and Dileo are two years ahead of Norfleet and realize he could be used to replace them? They figured out how to use Gallon well enough.
Again though, I'm not buying this as an actual move until Brady Hoke comes out and says so. If it's too odd to believe, it probably isn't true....