I am actually a little surprised that Woolfolk is the current fastest player on the team though. I don't really know much about him but this surprises me a bit. I have actually been more excited to see D-Rob play that TF....I know that isn't the way most people feel but I really like this guy.
Denard Robinson is fast fast.
I think most of us are more excited to see the Forcier because he is a more polished quaterback and is likely to start. While Denard is faster and possibly the better athlete of the two, Tate is more a two dimensional threat.
I am equally excited to see both. The times they are a changin
Hey as long as you suit up in Maize and Blue I am excited to see you play. I have nothing against Denard, and think he adds an element we have not have had in a long time if ever. But at this point I am more excited about Tate because I have glimpsed what he can do.
Well said. I'm excited to see all these guys play, but with all the hype around Tate and the positive reports coming from practice & the spring game, I'm most excited to see what he can do...
Exactly. While I am looking foward to Robinson getting some snaps and running around, I can't get the image of Demetrius Smith chucking up 6 interceptions agains MSU. The thought of a purely running qb with the reigns to the offense terrifies me. I am thrilled to hear of Gardner's improvements throwing the ball, though, and am looking foward to seeing him as a junior. I think Tate's running skills are a little under-rated and hopefully he will have enough of the total package to give Gardner a couple of years to polish.
I have no images of Demetrius Smith doing anything. Who is he?
sorry, demetrius brown. Too painful to remember correctly
I think you have selective memory, so, with respect, let me jog your recollections:
The QB immediately after D. Brown was Michael Taylor. He was exclusively a run first QB. And he DID NOT LOSE A SINGLE BIG 10 GAME that he started.
So a pure running QB does not necessarily terrify me. Michigan has won big before with those skill sets.
So, drop your inhibitions, drink this maize and blue koolaid and enjoy the ride. Just dont eat the Brown Acid.
He ran track for the UM track team during the winter semester. He's fast.
I'm pretty sure D Rob was in Florida this winter...
nvm - you are talking about Woolfolk
I believe he was referring to Troy Woolfolk who ran track for Michigan.
I figured it out right after I posted, you are too quick for me...
Who's faster as responding to comments on blogs, you or D Rob?
I would have to put my money on D Rob. He has more dexterity in his fingers and is therefore able to type 300 words a minute.
D Rob's blog posting speed has been well-documented. He typed 892 WPM at this year's Extreme Typing Competition (good for second best in the nation) and won 2 AMC movie theater tickets for his efforts. Can't wait to get this kid in the fishbowl this fall.
Woolfolk has been mentioned over and over again for the past couple years as one of the fastest players on the team. I don't know why that's surprising.
Butch..."Dont call me Harold" Woolfolk's son?
Speed in his DNA.
it doesn't surprise me. I would also like Carlos Brown to be thrown into that race...
His state championship time was 10.44. Woolfolk's best time (listed on his mgoblue track bio) is 10.58.
Are they going to find ways to incorporate this guy into the offense if Tate is a solid #1? I would hate to see him ride the pine.
Yes?.. I'm pretty sure RR said something along the lines of "he'll get snaps." I know most are predicting him to get 5-10 snaps a game in various roles because he is THAT explosive.
I'm sure they'll try and work up something, but if you bring him in as a running QB, it's gonna be tough, 'cause the opponent will just stack the box.
That said, if you worked with him on getting a really, really nice deep throw, you might be able to fool a few people.
I know that RichRod has said that Denard is only going to be taking snaps at QB, he's not going to move to CB (at least not yet). I'm pretty sure that he's going to be the Wildcat formation guy.
My personal thought with every Wildcat formation, is that every time a new player is used in the formation, their first play should actually be a throw and not a run. I feel like that would help keep defenses more honest when they see a player like Denard taking the snap.
a) Are you "pretty sure" due to inside information or are you "pretty sure" due to a wild-ass guess?
b) The "Wildcat formation" isn't really a Wildcat formation if the guy you put in at quarterback...is your backup quarterback.
I believe it is called ISQD
I'm "pretty sure" on the basis that it would be the most idiotic thing ever in the history of mankind besides the god damned holocaust not to try him on a few plays if you're not going to redshirt him. That's only logic.
You can call somebody out if they make fact specific points without backup, but not if they're making logical statements that only a fool would deny.
Need I reiterate Denard's rushing statistics from high school? It's not like the dude averaged 10 yards a carry.
Rodriguez has never shown that he's a big fan of the "Wildcat." Yes, he used it last year with Brown and Feagin, but that's when his other QB options were Threet and Sheridan. So he put in a runner instead of a pocket QB. Tate isn't in the same mold of Sheridan and Threet and, therefore, doesn't necessarily require a substitution to be a running threat.
Or you can get angry for no reason.
I just tried to Plus One you, Magnus, and it gave you a Minus.
At the risk of being negged for talking about points, I need to bring to attention a possible bug in the system. Did this happen to anyone else?
Assuming you hit the "up" arrow and Magnus' comment appears to you with an orange "up" arrow, it's probably because other people game him a "down" arrow while you were reading. That is, in a popular thread may have multiple people reading and voting simultaneously. In the time you started reading this thread, at least two people gave Magnus a down vote so that when you gave him an up vote, the point total refreshed as a -1 vote (or whatever number appeared to you). I've seen in happen before, most recently in this thread.
It's more of a red.
Is that you?
(or "D" for those MGoVatican City Residents)
This happened to me. I voted a post up, and it magically went up 4 points. I thought I had newly acquired superpowers until the more logical answer occurred to me.
Did anyone else happen to see the fake 40 time on Pryor? Supposedly, he ran a 4.33. The article commented on how if that was true, he was faster in the 40 than Bolt was for the first 40 of his 100 gold medal run.
Yeah it was mentioned a couple of days ago. Slightly ridiculous no?
Well, that would also mean that there are over 10 NFL players "faster" than Bolt. Remember - Bolt didn't run a 40 - he ran a 100. Would you say that Bolt would beat Michael Johnson in a 400 because he ran his 100M faster than Johnson ran the first 100M of his 400M?
Also, Bolt is a notoriously "slow" starter.
some guy breaks down various world record runners' splits and stuff
It always frustrates me when people try to compare these (or anything that's similar but fundamentally different) without thinking about the subtleties that separate the two. That makes it all the more satisfying when someone acknowledges the differences and at least attempts to account for them.
extrapolating from this article, it is nearly impossible for a football player to run anything lower than a 4.4 and highly unlikely that they ran anything below even a 4.5.
the trouble with 40 times isn't the actual metric though. it is a uniform standard that can be used to compare players.
Except that it isn't uniform. Most reported 40 times are hand-timed, and are thus dependent on the response time of the person with the stopwatch. Also, the type of track surface the player runs on can be a factor - there are "fast" and "slow" tracks.
Wow! I can't wait to see what he can do on the field. Go Blue!!
Denard showed doing his three step drop in the 'shaky jake' video.
I really really hope it's game speed, not just track speed.
I have every confidence that it is.
Why on earth would he be miraculously slower on a football field?
Pads, helmet, shoes, grass/turf, football in hand, not running in a perfectly straight line, worrying about guys trying to take your head off, etc.
You've never heard that term before?
The fact that it's a "term" doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Players who run fast...run fast. Period.
Plus, there is a huge difference when you take into account slowing down to make a cut. Some guys do that a lot better than others. If you just run in a straight line, angles will get you. Nobody ever claimed Barry Sanders would win many 100 yard dashes, but he was still too fast to catch.
The ability to make a cut quickly isn't "speed". Robinson's speed will be intact. You're concerned about his quickness and acceleration.
I took it as sarcasm. Maybe I'm wrong.
Trent Morgan fast?
I still have nightmares about that guy blowing tackles. Never mention the name again.
You are a great Michigan fan.
what do you mean by that?
I bet you can figure it out.
Another fan cheering for victories rather than Michigan.
I cheer for Michigan victories... where does that put me? If I'm cheering for Michigan, does that mean I have to cheer for losses as well? Are you saying he's cheering equally hard for the opponent when they are victorious over us?
I have so many questions...
There's a difference between cheering Michigan, and cheering for a team merely because they frequently win. Shitting on a kid that wore the uniform for 3 years because Trent may have, at some point, cost the poster the chance to glory in a Michigan win, is, in my opinion, shitty. Trent wore the uniform, represented the school with class, and was a leader. He doesn't deserve our scorn.
Stevie Brown called.
I would have no problem substituting Brown for Trent in the above paragraph. Requesting that Trent be stricken from memory because the kid failed "UMDad" in some way, shape, or form, make me see red.
You're right. I failed to remember he had said "Never speak of his name again." That's complete bullshit, and while I think you stated it in a strange way, I agree completely.
Blindly cheering for crappy players must be a chicago thing. I didn't say boo the kid during the game, but we are not talking about the little guy who gets to play late in a high school football game. This guys was starting for several years on a big time college program and chased more tail than Bill Clinton. Am I gald I don't have to see him jogging into the endzone while the opposing player flips the ball to the ref, YES. I would like to see my team win, not give it the old cubbies try.
a) I didn't realize that "chasing tail" was such a horrible thing for an unmarried college student. Fuck [name redacted] - he tried to have sex in college!
b) Can you go be a fan of another school?
Hey Magnus, by "chasing tail" I think he meant running after WR's who blew past him, not trying to have sex. I'm not defending him, but I think you misunderstood what he meant.
You've said all you need to - you root for Michigan because they're good, not because you actually like Michigan. Go get fucked.
Ok, now you're just being an asshole.
No one ever said you have to go tell your friends how amazing Morgan Trent is, but have a little respect for someone who did everything he could for Michigan's football team. Saying, "I don't think Morgan Trent was very good" is one thing, but saying, "Don't say his name again" is not only disrespectful, but just showcases how big a dick you are.
I don't think people realize that:
A) Trent was originally recruited as a Wide Receiver
B) Trent performed much better in '07 when Vance Bedford was his DB coach and not Scott Shafer
C) Trent probably would've been a better fit at Safety than at Cornerback
In any case, Morgan Trent does not deserve even half the shit that he has taken from fans. Our entire defense struggled last year, not just Stevie Brown & Morgan Trent.
Morgan Trent suffered for more than just one year. I also think it was more of a knock on the inability to bring in someone better, or the inability to judge practice play from game play.
1) Trent played well in 2006 and 2007.
2) You never criticized recruiting, or coaching. You critcized Morgan Trent.
Are you sleeptyping?
When you're done digging yourself into this hole, can I fill it back in on top of you?
Percy Harvin....dude that alone makes him a legend in my mind.
I don't give a shit if Trent played poorly. He was out there working his ass off for 5 years, and, by accounts, was a good kid. In my mind, as a fan of a college team, you should cheer for the kids, not rejoice in their departure. Morgan Trent did more, and meant more to the program than UMDad, or whoever the fuck he is, can ever imagine doing. This guy thinks he's justified in shitting on Trent's amateur athletic career because Trent, sometimes, may heve prevented this guy from gloating at the water cooler.
Who are you, Trent's cousin? He did more for the program? Are you kidding me? He got to go to a great university for free and earn a degree that will translate, hopefully, into a successful post football career. I paid my way through school there and, therefore, paid for Trent to even get to go to school.
So, in other words, it's your fault that [name redacted] got a scholarship? You bastard.
Actually, I feel that the football players, in particular, more than earn their keep based on hte stupid amount of money the University makes off of them, but I was pissed.
You didn't pay a fucking cent for Trent to go to school. The AD is financially autonomous. Trent paid for himself to go to school by being part of an organizations that generates hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Trent, actually paid for probably 20 non-revenue-sport athletes scholarships to the University. Keep digging.
Great shirt, but if the wrong person sees that, there is a chance that you can get beat up.
And, who are you to judge what kind of fan someone is based on their like or dislike of a player. Am I to assume you have never lowered yourself to utter a negative remark about Justin Boren, or Mark Dantonio, of Jim Tressel, etc?
1) I don't cheer for Ohio State. Me saying something about Tressell, and me saying something about a 3-year starter on my alma mater are two completely different things.
2) I think you'll find that I am one of the first people here to tell people to STFU when they rag on Dantonio or Tressel.
This is insane. I don' think Trent was a very good cb, and joked that I dind't want to hear his name again. You are acting like I went to his house and dumped trash in his lawn. Obviously, based on your 2000 points, you have an opinion on everything, but maybe you need to relax a little bit.
If you were joking, all you had to do to stop all of this was reply immediately saying something to the effect of, "That was a joke" or "/s" or something. Instead, you went off about how you were completely justified and payed for Trent's scholarship and people who criticize Boren are doing the same thing you are.
Maybe you need to get not retarded a bit.
I am wondering if it is possible to disagree here without calling each other retarted or telling each other to "go fuck yourself" as I believe your chicago friend said.
Hey, I said "Get fucked". You don't have to do that yourself.
You are obviously not a fan of this blog. A true fan would not shit on my months of hard work by demeaning me. 'That makes me see red.'
This comment is weird to the point that I sincerely believe there is an evil spirit living inside UMdad which makes him spout nonsense.
1. Because you shit all over Morgan Trent's abilities, the people who call you out on your unwarranted negativity are "obviously not fans.....of this blog?" First of all, one has nothing to do with the other, and secondly, what weird world of blog allegiance do you live in? We come here with a common interest in Michigan athletics, not in Michigan blogging. I'm not a "fan" of any blog, and specifying your assholedness wouldn't detract from my hypothetical fanhood if I were.
2. "A true fan would not shit on my months of hard work by demeaning me." Hard work? Because I'm totally awesome and nice, I assumed you meant the months you put in at the University of Michigan getting your degree, an accolade which, in your mind, gives you carte blanche to disrespect the school's student athletes. But then I realized you meant months of hard work COMMENTING on a fucking WEBSITE. Yikes.
3. Why is this in quotes?
Sorry, this was a sarcastic reference to a running argument where I am getting slammed as a poor michigan fan because I questioned Morgan Trent's abilities and was, therefore, "shitting in his athletic career."
"I'm not a 'fan' of any blog."
This hurts. Touch the Banner was recently voted the Best Blog in the Universe by my mom and my Aunt Laurie.
WHAT?! When did women get the vote?
if typing comments at MGoBlog is "hard work" to you you must have had one hell of an easy life.
I try to avoid it as much as possible, but sometimes it's just plain necessary.
You just spent 8 posts justifying what you said, and now you're claiming you're joking?
And the "you're a nerd for commenting on the blog on which I'm writing this comment" attack is always gold. Gold!
No, I said I was joking about never wanting to hear his name again. I am serious about thinking he was not a good cornerback. And, I am arguing that I can say whatever the hell I want without the blog police questioning my loyalty to the program. Unless any of you is actually Charles Woodson, what have any of us done for the program? We come to sites like this on occasion to look foward to the upcoming season and bitch about things that bother us. Unless I start seeing posts from you to about the quality efforts that third team recievers are putting in over their careers and how thankful you are for the efforts, I think you should back the hell off.
You do have the right to say anything you want. So do I.
Unless I start seeing posts from you to about the quality efforts that third team recievers are putting in over their careers and how thankful you are for the efforts, I think you should back the hell off.
That would be applicable if I were criticizing you for not singing the praises James Rogers. I criticized you for shitting on a Michigan player.
If you have the right to say whatever the hell you want, then we have the right to chastise you for saying things that belittle the players who play(ed) for Michigan's football program. You can't dis Michigan players and expect us all to give you high fives.
Fair enough, but if we weren't arguing, what else would I do on a slow friday?
Masturbation is preferable to arguing. If you're at work, get a Stadium Pal!
I might regret asking this, but, what is a stadium pal?
What does "uttering negative remarks" about those three guys have to do with being a Michigan fan? They're from OSU, MSU, and OSU, respectively.
(Hint: Those are our biggest rivals.)
here here or hear hear, whatever, you are spot on.
How fast is fast fast? I thought we were done with these threads. Hopefully Woolfolk plays well. If he's really that fast then he shouldn't get burned as many times as Stevie Brown. How fast is Emilien?
he's just fast.
Oh God here we go. Is this a Friday phenomena?
I'm done. I think my point is clear at this juncture.
It is also clear that he isnt going to admit his mistake. So let it go chitown. BlockM on the other hand is going to keep commenting, cuz he loves himself some points!
C'mon guys, I just want some more points... I use them to cushion my fragile self consciousness.
Seriously though, I wouldn't post so much if I wasn't so incredibly bored at work these days. I may also have a slight problem allowing someone else to have the last word.
I feel sorry for your children.
I have lost thirty points during the course of this banter, so I guess most of you disagree with me. I give up, you win. Hurray Morgan Trent!!! We are doomed this year without him!
I get the feeling UMchild is less petulant than you. Let's hope he/she takes after UMmom.
No worries, UMkids are very warm fuzzy
Go back and watch the games. Trent hit hard, ran fast and played with every bit of heart he had. He never quit on plays. Watch the freaking Cap One bowl, will ya. Yeah, he was not Charles Woodson, so freaking what--those kind don't come around too often.. Quit hating on M players.
Best thread of the week
Unless you, like me, lose all of your points and receive an email telling you that all of your abilities have been revoked. Ouch! Lesson, Don't disagree with people from chicago or named magnus. Apparently they are the Corleones around here.
It wouldn't have mattered who you were arguing with on this topic, you were doomed from the start.
If you thought that was a beating, you should see my wife.
Okay, I'm not married. But you can imagine if I was, am I right? Right?
weird, people don't agree on everything.
How am I losing points so fast(I started today with about 100)? OK, I give, I apologize. I should have let it go right off of the bat, but was bored and thought I would argue a little bit. Here is my Michael Vick apology: I understand that Morgan Trent is just a kid doing the best he can at a sport he loves, and worked very hard along with the other kids on the team to give me something to cheer for and be proud of on Saturdays. He never got caught beating his girlfriend or buying drugs and I cannot claim that he gave it less than 100% on any given play. I teach my kids never to boo or jeer opposing players during games and picking on him on a blog could qualify as the same thing. The people have spoken.
By the way, how can I get so slammed by disrespecting a player from a team I root for, when just a couple of threads later someone opens with 'Kevin Smith is a Moron' and doesn't get the same response. Is it a college vs. pro thing? And yes, I realize that posting another message gives you the opportunity to give me another bunch of negative points.
if bouje has taught me anything, it's that if you keep whining about points you'll go down to -400 and then be reinstated with a BILLION points
No, No. No whining. I will take my lumps. I will continue to respond, giving ample time for people to hammer the negatives if they choose and get it out of their systems. I will not cry, nor will I start over with a new account. I will hit bottom and work my way back up. Perhaps one day even earning some measure of respect from those who have persecuted me.
I bet you really like to hear yourself talk too.
Collegiate players are unpaid amateur athletes and deserve to be treated as such. Professional athletes are paid to perform well and win. They are absolutely fair game for fan outrage and criticsm, imho.
I think even you would agree with this.
come back one year!
ridiculed by a monkey with a gun... and this day started off with such promise.
Who is Denard?
Did I miss something? I love how there are 125ish posts on a thread merely about how Denard Robinson is awesomely fast. Sidetracked much?
You are surprised that a message board thread was drastically sidetracked into another heated discussion? You must be new to the internet.
"I love how" not= "I'm surprised that"
It's one thing when it happens in more controversial threads (e.g. "What exactly is Rich Rodriguez building?" diary entry by barking sphincter), but it's amusing when these things sometimes happen in threads with such innocuous titles and content as "DRob is Fast Fast."
I love how speed is one of the most controversial topics on mgoblog.
Nothing like a good debate on 40 times to get the blood boiling.
MGoBoard taketh and it giveth.
You're 3/4 of the way back to where you were. See, we're not all cold-hearted fuckers.
Could we rename the thread UMdad walks into a buzz saw?