has to be the fastest qb in the country so my question is if he picks up the offense quickly , no matter what tate does in the spring or summer will denard get the start against western michigan ?
there would have to be some to wash away
i don't think anyone knows at this point
Denard will probably never START at QB, but it's highly likely he will get some snaps.
How in the hell do you know that?
They thought Pat White was going to be a receiver coming out of High School.
If he "picks up" the offense quicker than Forcier or anyone else then, yes, he will be the starter. However, the chances he does that are extremely small. By that I mean the chances a guy who completed fewer than 50% of his passes in high school suddenly starts completing them at, say, 60% in college is extremely small.
The real question is was he in our top 5?
He only ran a 4.4 forty, so I have no interest in this guy!!!
lol too bad that the only actually quantifiable percentage in question when it comes to quarterbacks is completion percentage otherwise you might have a point that isnt incredibly stupid lol
i think if denard gets 35% of the offense he should start over tate because he is ultra fast and he can just run around. that's all you really need to be a good qb anyway. even if tate gets 92% of the offense i think that he will be 42% less fast than denard who has 99% SEC speed
no way bro, what are you smoking? i think the percentage is clearly 47 for denard and 91 for tate.
arbitrary percentage generator:
"I was thinkin if he picks up 60 percent of the offense even if tate picks up 80 percent of the offense denard should get the start"
I don't think I would understand this even if I were sober...jus' sayin'
....indicate that Tate is committing (early enrollee true) freshman errors, but that he is improving every day and throws a good, crisp ball. He's not being allowed to run.
The team will probably be more comfortable and efficient starting against Western Michigan with a guy they've been practicing with for 9 months, and Tate, with his perpetual training for the job since he was a young guy, will probably be the starter this fall. I don't think Denard will play unless Tate falls on his face, and frankly, I don't think Tate will play as bad as either Sheridan or Threet did last year. Now, injuries may put Denard in the game. But I don't think performance will.
Freshmen errors eh? Well, he shouldnt be at michigan until June and he is there now. So he gets 6 extra months to learn. Rather have him make the mistakes in March or June?
He's not allowed to run because they don't want him getting hurt
...I didn't say there was anything wrong with freshmen errors when one is a freshman. They are expected and I'm sure being worked on.
And, uh, I know he's being protected. Not sure what the quibble is here.
A Michigan Man wouldn't make freshman errors. At least not 93.1 percent of the time. But, then, we are talking practice. This is the quarterback who will know 80 percent of the offense- and we're talkin' practice?
... and more interested in both of them developing. Quarterbacks get injured and we need a solid back up whether it is Tate or Denard.
OK so just to get the consensus of the room here is it safe to say that the one who does better and gives us a better chance to win will get the start. GEE guys keep up the brainstorming, I think we are only one step away from genius.
Einstein got nuthin on us huh?
OR.....maybe, *gasp* he wants someone who can both equally well!
Tate has a MASSIVE advantage over Denard. Like, 6+ months worth. If RR just wanted someone who could run fast, than Feagin would've been the starter last year. I highly, highly doubt that Denard is going to win the job outright from Tate.
RR wants a passer who can run, being that he is recruiting so many wide receivers. I don't think he wants Jackson, Miller, Williamson, Robinson, etc.. to spend 4 years at Michigan blocking all of the time.
Don't waste your breath, this concept is foreign to people.
EDIT: As noted by the first reply, the thought of someone that can run AND pass, and isn't a running passer nor a passing running just blows their mind.
are so small, (barring more injuries) that you can legitimately say "won't happen" IMO. As was pointed out, an under 50 completion % in High School does not equate to "instant freshman starter". There was a reason why many of Denard's big time offers were not to play QB.
I have no basis for conjecture because 1)I don't REALLY know how good these kids are and 2)I am by no means an insider.
For some reason, I think Robinson may be a little more raw and if he had the early start, he and Forcier might be in a horse race. With the head start, I think Robinson will have a hard time competing for the starting job in the fall.
I know it is an unpopular opinion here, but I think experience is huge, and I believe RR feels this way as well. This could easily result in (OMG NO) Sheridan having significant time at the start of the year despite the fact that he suffers from a talent deficit compared to the other two. Don't get me wrong--he'll play the guy who he believes gives him the best chance to win. However, early on he may feel this is Sheridan. I hope not--I hope the two freshman are head and shoulders above but WTFKs?
If Sheridan starts and gets the majority of snaps against WMU, and UM loses, the fanbase will crucify RR. So, for that reason, and I believe Tate to be a better qb, RR will start Tate from day 1.
I suggested a few weeks ago that Sheridan could potentially start next season, and I believe the first response to my post was calling me an idiot.
I do think Sheridan has a shot still, but the injury really hurt his chances.
I don't care who wins the starting job as long as 1) it's not Sheridan 2) One of them emerges as the starter and we're not waiting til Friday to know who's starting Saturday and 3) we see them both on the field at the same time for some of those QB lateral passes (isn't that what this HD offense is all about. Making opponents look like bad D III schools)
I think he meant to say the offense Penn St. ran last year. I do not know how it applies to us though.
It's the principle not actually the offense. PSU idea was just put your best athletes on the field not necessarily the best football players. what's the difference between what we want to run and what they run. All they do is run the spread.
Yes I agree that the principle is the same, but our offenses are different.
Can you explain how you win more games with better "athletes" but not with better "football players"?
You tell me how the offenses are different, because what PSU runs sounds alot like what we're trying to run. And yes we're recruiting more athletes. you can make a athlete a football player but athletes are born not bred.
I hope Tate starts. Tate is pretty athletic, but he can't play other positions like D Rob. He should get the QB job, and since Denard can play corner or saftey, thats where he should be put. They shouldn't waste any athletisism. But since Michigan doesn't have much depth at QB, if Tate were to get hurt, they would have to turn to Sheridan to replace him! EEEEK! So I'm not really sure. Hopefully since RR plans to recruit 3 or 4 more dual threat QBs in the next few years, they won't have to worry about injuries.
do you have any evidence for any of these assumptions or do you just say whatever comes to your mind
Kids say the darnedest things!
What evidence to you want me to get? These are all actual possiblities. Not like I'm just pulling them out of my ass!Theres the chance D Rob doesn't make the starting QB...he would either get switched to db, transfer, or accept a backup role. I highly doubt he would accept a backup role since he has NFL potential. Then there's the chance he does beat Forcier. Then Forcier would either transfer or accept a backup role. He would most likely transfer since he also has some NFL potential.
+1 He's transferring before playing DB.
There is a decent chance that one of the three (assuming Gardner comes to Michigan) doesn't stay for the duration
if it becomes obvious that someone has the keys for the next 4 years. Hopefully Robinson (or Forcier) is prepared to take another role if he's not that guy or accept the role of the backup.
It cannot be obvious for obvious reasons, see Nick Sheridan presently.
They are both going to play, RichRod virtually has no choice, who ever plays better in games and or stays healthy will start. We have no depth, Feagin played last year and the situation sans Tate & Robinson is worse this year.
I don't think anyone wants to see Sheridan starting, both freshman have to play, because both have to be ready.
I would actually like to see them both playing this year. But I just don't see it becoming a Chris Leak-Tim Tebow combination like that 06 Florida team for 4 years. In the future, one is going to have to become the full time starter...
man, not to be a giant dick, but sometimes it's so easy to pick out people who clearly didn't go to michigan.
Did you go to Michigan? If so congrats it's a great school, but that doesn't make you smarter than anyone else. Me personally got accepted and decided not to attend, wasn't the best school for where i wanted to go.
Nothing wrong with trade school. Plumbers make mad cash. If you don't think so, try calling one on the weekend, $130/hr.
I'm on your side I am a Firefighter/Paramedic. I have the upmost respect for plumbers, electricians ect. saying it's obvious the people who didn't go to Michigan sounds cocky. That's not what i'd expect from someone so prestige as a michigan alum.