If he didn't ping so many linemen in the back of the head.
this may be of some local interest
A series covering Michigan's aughts. Previously: obsessive ESPN image breakdown.
This is a fairly standard pick-your-team exercise covering the 2000-2009 seasons. One note on the methodology: instead of considering careers we will consider individual years.
There are only two real options since Michigan saw two players occupy seven of the ten available starting slots and was robbed what should have been rampaging senior campaigns by Drew Henson (signed away by the Yankees) and Henne (constant injury). They are Navarre's first-team All Big Ten performance in 2003, the—sigh—last time a Michigan QB actually beat Ohio State, or Henne's junior year, when he could hardly be blamed for an Ohio State loss in which he guided his team to 39 points.
Season totals for those two years:
Very little to choose from. Both ended up losing to USC in the Rose Bowl in games of approximately equal competitiveness (not very), though Navarre's trip seemed more doomed by fate—one USC touchdown set up by a ball bouncing off Braylon's heel and ricocheting directly to a defender—than Henne's.
The edge is Navarre's if only because of that attempts number. Michigan '03 relied far more heavily on his arm than Michigan '06 did on Henne's, passing 47% of the time to '06's 37%. Yes, Chad Henne threw less than 40% of the time in 2006. That just goes to show the Lloyd Carr ideal: have a defense so ridiculous that you can grind out low-risk touchdowns against everyone not named Notre Dame and Ohio State. It did work once, and it almost worked in '06.
Digression over. Your shocking winner is John Navarre, a guy who was utterly and unfairly loathed during his wobbly sophomore year—during which he should have been watching Henson, anyway—to the point where it was hard to figure out where his transition from liability to asset occurred. Whenever it was, it was before the 2002 Ohio State game. Michigan spent that running into the line for nothing on first and second down before deploying Navarre to pick up the third down with a laser-accurate pass to Edwards, Joppru, or Bellamy. Edwards lost a critical touchdown on a questionable offensive pass interference call and Navarre was blasted from behind on what should have been the game-winning drive. Michigan was only able to get down to the OSU 30 before they had to take a shot at the endzone with the last seconds on the clock. My friends and I wrapped arms around each other during the timeout, and I thought he could do it.
Second String: Henne (2006).
The obvious runner-up. Other candidates are inferior seasons by the above two quarterbacks, Henson's eight-game run as Michigan's starter in 2000, and then the horrible last two years. Since Henne concluded his career during the MGoEra we can turn to a column written after the '07 Michigan State game for a summary of how he played:
I first thought "Chad Henne is a robot" a long time ago.
It was the middle of 2004. A then-freshman Henne strode onto the turf at Michigan Stadium facing a four point deficit against Minnesota. The ball was on the Michigan thirteen; the clock read 3:04.
Five plays and 56 yards later, Henne zeroed in on Z45 Part A Subsequence C Tight End Tyler Ecker, Rabbit-Hunting Mormon, crossing in front of a Minnesota linebacker; various servos and hydraulics kicked in. Henne flung a pass into Z45PASCTETERHM's outstretched arms, declared GOAL COMPLETED, and initiated nailcoeds.exe.
This weekend, now-senior Chad Henne strode onto the turf at Spartan Stadium facing a ten point deficit. He was 6 for 19 for 83 yards at that point, 47 of which came on a single bomb to Mario Manningham. The clock read 7:35.
Henne had been awful. Whether it was the unpredictable wind or his separated shoulder or some combination of the two doesn't really matter. He had been missing open receivers all day, flinging balls into the turf or the sideline or taking sacks he didn't have to. He and Brian Hoyer were locked into a duel to see who could torpedo his team's chances more thoroughly; Henne was winning. In the Michigan section, faith was running low. On the Michigan State sideline Jehuu Caulcrick was exhorting the Spartans to remember this moment, the moment they beat Michigan.
Caulcrick forgot one thing: Chad Henne is a robot.
On the last two drives he was 12-14 for 129 yards, flinging wide open outs, finding Mathews on a critical third and long, and looping perfect touchdown passes to Greg Mathews and Mario Manningham. He was ruthless, precise, and busy calculating digits of pi deep into the millions. He has a heart of nails and lungs made from old tires; his hair consists of pipe cleaners cropped short and his bones are discarded pipes. You have to whack him in just the right spot at just the right time to get his late-model Soviet guidance chip to seat itself in his shoddy southeast Asian motherboard.
Excellence was good, man.
A bloody fight here. Your candidates:
|Anthony Thomas '00||319||1733||5.4||18||68||17||271||15.9||1|
|Chris Perry '03||338||1674||5||18||63||44||367||8.3||2|
|Michael Hart '06||318||1562||4.9||14||54||17||125||7.4||0|
|Michael Hart '04||282||1455||5.2||9||34||26||237||9.1||1|
|Michael Hart '07||265||1361||5.1||14||61||8||50||6.3||0|
Close statistically with Perry's herculean, 51-carry Michigan State game pushing him past the two main contenders in terms of carries. Perry was much more frequently used in the passing game, though a 70-yard screen TD for Thomas against Ohio State made him more explosive. Thomas surpasses everyone else in terms of yards and has a significant edge in YPC, but as we're about to see a large part of that has something to do with the preposterously stacked 2000 line, which currently has four NFL starters and one Hall of Famer. Hart and Perry never had that luxury.
Perry wins here, though, for the silverware. This is in addition to the Doak Walker:
The Bo Schembechler Most Valuable Player of the 2003 football team, Perry was a finalist for the Heisman Memorial Trophy, placing fourth in the balloting. He led the Big Ten with 128.8 rushing yards per game and was named the 2003 Big Ten Conference Offensive Player of the Year and the Chicago Tribune Silver Football Award recipient as the Big Ten's MVP.
It's brutally hard to leave out Mike Hart, but the methodology here favors the one supernova season over Hart's four (three and half) years of merely being awesome. Perry's gliding cuts and Navarre's addiction to him as an outlet win.
Second Team: Mike Hart (2006)
I know by the stats this is Thomas, but the stats don't reflect Hart's remarkably ability to glue the ball to his ribs when not inside the five against Florida and the infamous Northwestern game Thomas gave away without even being touched. Hart couldn't quite stay healthy enough to get past Perry, and that very reason makes me want to crumple up this post and start over with a career-focused outlook but it's postin' time and this is pushing 3000 words and the monster must be fed, so here he is and we're all a little bitter at Chris Perry for winning the Doak, but only just today. Hart, too, came in for summarizing in a game column, this one after the '07 Penn State game:
Mike Hart does not care. He does not care that he is the size of Toad and runs about as fast as Richard Nixon, who is dead. He does not care that Michigan ruined everything the first two games of the season as he rode a bike on the sideline. He does not care that some people think he should shut up. He does not care that his legs are on someone else's legs and there is no possible way he can worm the ball to the goal line. It takes someone like this to pull you back from despair and ennui, to turn emo week into something other than emo year.
Mike Hart does not care what came before.
All he cares about is getting there.
Third Team: Anthony Thomas (2000)
Okay, Thomas did fumble against Northwestern but he also put up 1733 yards by RAGING his way directly at defenders. The original Brandon Minor, Thomas was briefly an NFL star before his inability to change direction without bouncing off something caught up with him.
Kevin Dudley (2004)
Dudley was the inspiration for this description of the fullback's job that still lingers on as one of phrases I'm proud to have turned:
Minus Dudley, last year's fullback spot was manned by a motley crew of confused squat guys more likely to whiff entirely than crush a linebacker into a white-hot furrow of snapped limbs and smoke.
For this, and his ability to create that furrow, he gets the nod.
Braylon Edwards(2002-4, pick a year), Mario Manningham (2007), Steve Breaston (slot)(2006)
It's a brutal competition when a guy who went eighth overall in the NFL draft and another guy in the midst of what will be a productive 10-year NFL career don't make the first team, but Michigan was blessed with a ridiculous wealth of options. Since the team has moved to a spread system and even before that used a three-wide formation as its base for virtually the entire Breaston era, we will include him as the prototypical slot ninja.
The first winner is obvious. For all his problems catching simple slants, Braylon Edwards remains the second most terrifying receiver to ever put on a winged helmet:
This is not up for debate.
The second outside receiver slot is a war between the junior years of David Terrell and Mario Manningham. The stats:
Like quarterback, there is little to choose from. One small push in Manningham's direction: he rushed for 120 yards on 19 carries; Terrell had two rushes for 12 yards. (Terrell's team played one fewer game than Manningham's did, but Mario was suspended for the EMU beating in '07, so they're even as far as playing time goes.)
Both labored through iffy quarterback situations, with Manningham saddled with about four games' worth of Ryan Mallett and another four games in which Chad Henne's shoulder was essentially nonfunctional. Despite this he lit up the heart of the Big Ten schedule, going six straight weeks with more than 100 yards receiving and at least one touchdown, with the high point a five catch, 162-yard performance against Minnesota. He was shut down in the Ohio State game that year as Michigan chose between a one-armed Henne and a then chicken-brained Mallett, but rebounded to post 131 yards of total offense and a touchdown in the Citrus Bowl against Florida.
Meanwhile, Terrell was saddled with a freshman Navarre through the bulk of the nonconference schedule. That didn't matter much statistically, as he put up at least 82 yards and usually just around 100 in the games Navarre was forced to play in, but it didn't help. When Henson returned it was a steady diet: about six catches, approximately 100 yards except for the Penn State game, one win over Ohio State and a bowl nuking of Auburn (34 yards a catch on four receptions and a touchdown).
The verdict: Manningham by a nose, who had fewer opportunities to make an impact in Michigan's injury-stricken '07 offense and added more production on the ground than Terrell did. This is a reversal from the All Carr team, FWIW.
Finally, Steve Breaston is included as a slot receiver on my first team since Michigan fullbacks were increasingly situational players as Michigan moved to a modern passing offense, and then a spread, as the Henne era progressed. Dudley was the last true fullback to be able to claim anything approximating a starting job, and even before that there were a couple years in which BJ Askew was the team's top FB. Over the course of the decade the third receiver got more playing time than the FB.
Anyway, the third receiver goes inside one of the outside guys in a place called the slot and the man who defined the position at Michigan in the aughts was all-purpose ninja Steve Breaston. Nicknamed "Black Jesus" before he even saw the field by cynical messageboarders wary of his massive practice hype giving way to a skinny version of Grady Brooks, Breaston took all of one game to establish himself a threat, returning four punts for an average of 26 yards against Central Michigan. By the Illinois game he'd set a team record for punt return yardage despite having two long touchdowns called back on irrelevant penalties; subsequent opponents refused to kick to him. As a kick returner he took one to the house for the first time since the 80s against Minnesota, returned virtually every kickoff to midfield in the '05 Rose Bowl, and set up The New Math Henne-to-Manningham connection with another return to midfield against Penn State the next year. Steve Breaston went to work immediately.
As a receiver Breaston was the inspiration for the UFR receiverchart, which was a direct response to people complaining about Breaston's hands. They weren't necessarily wrong—the Year of Infinite Pain kicked off in earnest with a 17-10 loss to Notre Dame in which Breaston got open deep twice and dropped sure touchdowns—but the chart did its job, showing that Breaston's hands were an overrated flaw. His best year was '06, and while he never recaptured the magic of his freshman year in the return game that was largely because teams stopped punting to him (and Michigan, infuriatingly, refused to double the gunners). Only Anthony Carter, also the guy preventing Braylon Edwards from being the bar-none most terrifying Michigan receiver of all time, stands between Breaston and the title of Michigan receiver you'd pick to throw a bubble screen to if your life depended on it.
Second Team: David Terrell (2000), Jason Avant(2005), Marquise Walker (2001)
Terrell was just discussed. No one else quite matched his productivity save Marquise Walker, and when Walker and Terrell shared the spotlight Terrell was the man.
Avant, meanwhile, is the player I'd pick if someone was holding a gun to my head and said he'd pull the trigger unless Michigan converted this third and five. I still remember the fourth and two pass at the end of the 2004 Ohio State game that clanged off Braylon's hands, and remembering that I really, really wish that ball had gone to Avant. Here's why:
At some point during 2005 Avant dropped a third down pass that hit him in the hands, and that more than anything was an indication that it just wasn't Michigan's year.
Avant also might be the nicest guy to ever play for Michigan—up there with Brandon Graham. The only person who can't root for Avant is Christopher Hitchens.
Walker was a combo of Avant and Edwards, blessed with Edwards's leaping and Avant's ability to make the spectacular catch but cursed with Avant's lack of electric speed and Edwards's tendency to drop routine balls. It seemed like the latter flaw was something that popped up after he sustained a brutal hit early in his senior year; after that the footsteps got in his head and he alligator-armed a couple passes per game. That may have been a result of his increased deployment; once Terrell left for the NFL he went from 49 catches in a supporting role to 86 as the man in Navarre's bumpy sophomore year. He did do this:
And that alone is worthy of mention.
There is no competition. Joppru came from nowhere to become John Navarre's safety blanket, a big white Minnesota version of Avant before Avant was around. By the time he'd finished his breakout senior season he'd set a Michigan record for tight end receptions that still stands and worked his way into the second round of the NFL draft. The Texans took him, whereupon he tore his ACL in training camp every year.
Second Team: Bill Seymour (2001)
It wasn't a good decade for tight ends. Seymour was a steady two-year starter that didn't get injured all the time, have meat for brains, or fail to pitch it to Steve Breaston. He wins basically by default.
Jake Long (2007), Steve Hutchinson (2000), David Baas (2004), Jon Goodwin (2001), Jeff Backus (2000)
The first three are cake easy. Jake Long was dominant and became the first pick in the NFL draft. Hutchinson went in the first round to the Vikings and is in the midst of a Hall-of-Fame NFL career. Baas won the Rimington award. All were All-Americans their senior year. Lock, lock, lock.
The right side of the line is trickier. We're not distinguishing between right and left tackles because players tend to move to the left as they get better, we're just trying to assemble the best possible team. So we'll flip Jeff Backus from left to right tackle and put him opposite long. Backus was first round pick of the Lions and has started 144 NFL games, all with the league's most sad-sack franchise. At Michigan he was All Big Ten two years running and won the Hugh Rader award as Michigan's best lineman those same two years, sharing it with Hutchinson and Mo Williams on 2000's ridiculously stacked line.
The other guard spot is something of a downer compared to the All-Americans surrounding him, but Jon Goodwin was All Big Ten in 2001 and, unlike a couple of other ABT recipients later in the decade, seemed to deserve it. He's still in the NFL with the Saints.
Second Team: Adam Stenavich (2005), Adam Kraus (2006), David Brandt (2000), Steve Schilling(2009), Mo Williams (2000)
Williams is the most obvious, another member of the insanely stacked 2000 line who is still in the NFL. Sharing a best lineman award with Hutchinson and Backus is no shame, either. Stenavich is next, a two-time All Big Ten selection. This blog caught the end of his career and found it to be pretty good. He edges out Mark Ortmann, another good-not-great left tackle. The interior is something of a mess. Brandt, the final member of the insanely stacked 2000 line, gets a tentative nod over Dave Pearson and David Molk's freshman(!) year; Kraus and Schilling are the best of an uninspiring bunch, with Kraus's 2006 better than his '07.
If he didn't ping so many linemen in the back of the head.
This picture of him says it all. I remember thinking "How can a guy 6-6 get so many balls batted down?" Look how low is release point is in this picture. Great Photo!
I was surprised not to see Tacopants at one of the WR slots, but I may be confused about something: did Tacopants put up huge numbers, or did he just get thrown to a lot, but didn't have very good hands?
EDIT: I could argue it either way: since he is made of dreams, you might say he has "dream hands" or had "a dream season." On the other hand, since he is made of dreams, the ball might just have gone right through his gossamer-like appendages.
Tacopants suffered due to his low number of catches (zero), although his yds/catch cannot be beaten (infinity). This latter stat explains why he was such a popular target.
I was there for Perry's 51-carry performance. It was the most draining, soul-crushing experience I've had as a fan. Knowing--knowing--that every time Perry touches the ball, five yards will happen, third downs will be converted, and the clock will roll on . . .
On that day, Perry was inexorable, irresistible defeat, grinding MSU into the turf and burying them under his weight, like a glacier but fast. I have ever since cited that game as the ideal offense: when you gain five yards on every carry, you never fail to convert, and you never surrender the ball. When judging football success Panthro-style, Chris Perry vs. MSU in 2003 was perfection.
I remember that day vividly because some of my fraternity brothers and I were visiting our MSU chapter and watched the game with them. They mostly sat there dumbfounded as to how he could keep getting those carries and gaining yards. That kind of schadenfreude is priceless, up close and in person right there, watching as the life gets crushed out of them.
Needless to say we didn't stick around for their party.
Slight quibble -
Hutchinson went in the first round to the Seahawks, then signed with the Vikes as a free agent in (I believe) 2007 or 2008.
He joined the Vikings in 2006.
B.J. Askew's 2002 season deserves to be mentioned, even if you don't put him in the win column. You can count him as a back, since he ripped the job away from a hobbled and slightly confused Chris Perry...twice. But if you count him as fullback, his nominal position, then I can't even put Dudley over him. If A-Train was the original Brandon Minor, Askew was...um...Mike Cox: unbelievable balance and same build I guess. Askew also had a penchant for making blitzers upside-down. How many Navarre bullets to imaginary 8-ft. friends of Jason Avant in funny pants were preceeded directly by a linebacker doing a hand-stand with a kneeling Askew in the vicinity?
Remember, the 2003 comeback against Minnesota on a Friday night was the 2nd in a row in the HHHMD, the preceeding one being that day B.J. Askew did his best Marion Barber impersonation, in front of Marion Barber, to the point that Spencer Brinton got playing time.
I was thinking the same thing. He went from a brusing FB to a decent RB without much of a drop-off, and was probably the best "trucking" Michigan RB I've seen outside of Thomas (who I remember trucking guys on one carry, then stumbling after an arm tackle on the next). He also was a decent receiver out of the backfield if memory serves me right, and bailed out Navarre on quite a few plays.
amazingly versitile back - great at receiving - great at tough yards - decent in open field.
Aaron Shea was another favorite FB - converted TE if I recall correctly.
He was a FB that ended up moving to TE...or really, in that offense, a lot of H-Back. But he was drafted (and played like 7 years) in the NFL at TE.
Good kid. Really bad driver, but good kid.
He had like 9 touchdowns after the MSU game and then had to sit out until basically the Ohio State game with an injury.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his "injury" actually more along the lines of Kelly Baraka's "injury"?
No, it was legit. He had a minor knee injury and had to get his knee scoped. He did, however, get suspended for a week the following year (probably for Baraka-esquie reasons).
Thinking back to Perry, I can't help but remember that game, the first overtime game in Michigan Stadium history. I sat rows away as Perry finally punched in the winning touchdown, and for a Pennsylvania kid who came out with Penn State fans to witness that spectacle... well, let me just say it remains a very dear and special moment for me.
Thank you, Chris Perry, for the memories.
When I saw those YPA numbers I just about fell over (not really). Those are yards per completion not yards per attempt. I only notice this because I've been staring at passing stats so long that the world around me now looks like the Matrix, except I'm still not awesome.
Henne had a better year by the numbers, but the point about Navarre strapping the team to his back is a good one. Henne's talent was so wasted. By extension, so was Breaston's, Avant's, and Manninghams'; Such a pity.
Sigh, I'm going to go for a walk.
I have to possibly disagree with the QB selection. Yes, Drew Henson played only 8 games but he also directed the most terrifying Michigan offense I have ever seen.
Yes, I understand Navarre's (and Henne's) total numbers were much higher but I like that 16:4 td:int ratio and the fact that Henson directed the most productive Michigan offense. Plus he was a running threat.
PS Sorry about the formatting, I tried to make it as small as possible.
How anyone can put either Navarre or Henne ahead of the 2000 Henson season is a real miss. Henne had his "robot" moments, but Henson lived in that zone for the meat of an entire season.. He put up those stats without getting the stat padding of the non-conference season. He was a stone cold killer. plain and simple.
That was a national title caliber offense saddled with the worst Michigan defense anyone had seen since the mid 60's (or until 2008).
Also, I'm not sure that I put Braylon ahead of Desmond in terms of terrifying receiver. Desmond had one drop that I can recall, but it was purely because of a no-call on the PI on the two-point against Sparty.
Well, if you want to get technical, since there was no year zero, 2000 was not part of this century or decade. Officially, this decade started in 2001.
But yeah, if we are defining this decade by the usual 2000-2009 standard, it's hard to overlook Henson's performance that year.
when Navarre is the top QB. Ugghhhhh
This attitude bothers me to no end. Number 1, his contributions to Michigan football far exceed the vast majority of any of us on this board. His love for Michigan probably exceeds ours as well (even despite ridiculous comments like these.)
And B, I can't find it now, but I had posted it before, there's a Video of the post-game interviews after the '03 win over Ohio State and outright big ten championship.
In it, John Navarre is interviewed and brings up the whole "this has got to be mean something special, particularly for you..." And Navarre has this look on his face that would make you reconsider these types of comments.
(Off my soapbox now.)
Someone could probably put together a Venn diagram to show that the Michigan fans who are still convinced that Navarre was the anti-Christ are substantially co-extensive with the Michigan fans who are still convinced Lloyd Carr was the anti-Christ. It's just a waste of time and energy to engage these people -- kind of like trying to have a rational conversation with Mel Gibson.
Also, I'm not sure if I'm using a Venn diagram correctly in the above hypothetical, since I haven't used my engineering degree since I graduated 16 years ago. Anti-Christ!
Bobocar Cissoko contibuted more to Michigan football than most people on this forum but I'm not sure that makes his accomplishments laudible. And I'm sure that Nick Sheridan loved Michigan as much or more than many us, but again I don't see how that is relevant to performance on the field.
Its funny how people respond to percieved hyperbole with equal or greater hyperbole in the opposite direction. Navarre was a decent UM QB, no more no less. The fact that he had the best season of the millenium QB's tells a lot about the success of MIchigan this decade. I frankly don't see that as even debatable, let alone controversial.
You can have that opinion, but the manner in which you present it is rather disrespectful and unappreciative- all for no reason. If you look at numbers ALL TIME, Navarre is in the conversation for the best Michigan QBs. He's not the best, (personally I think Henne was a better QB) but he's certainly better than "decent."
People just never cut him any slack. The fact that he was mentally tough to withstand this as an 19-22 year old kid speaks volumes of his character.
Seriously. I heard he caused 9/11, the Great Depression, and the Holocaust.
you might want to back away from the coffee for a while.
This was a reference to Brian's first-ever published article on Michigan football: ""John Navarre blamed for offense, defense, kicking game, Iraq, 9/11, everything else"
Unfortunately, I can't find the link.
Forget formatting, scroll to the very bottom.
I remember this issue, the John Navarre thing and the "what, I'm not quirky enough for you?" I remember reading it on that bench outside South Quad while waiting for my buddy to get off of work at the Down Under, or Cafe ConXion, or whatever it was called by that point.
Can you find the article he did where he drew up common c. 2000 Lloyd plays, such as "Epstein Misses a Field Goal" and "Don't Let Us Stop You On Your Way to the End Zone"?
I've been looking for the last 20 or so minutes. No luck. I found some old Every Three Weekly archives, but only through about 8 issues.
Don't have a link because the Every Three Weekly's website doesn't have any archives, but in 2002 Brian wrote an article for the UM satirical paper E3W titled, "John Navarre Blamed for Offense, Defense, Kicking Game, Iraq, 9/11, Everything Else."
That's the first thing I always think about when I see people who criticize Navarre. He had a lot of faults as a QB, but by his graduation I had become a fan of his.
....is that you...?
First, Brian didn't say that Navarre was our best QB for the decade - he had the best SEASON of any QB this decade. Not sure if you watched that season, but Navarre was pretty damn good. His arm strength and accuracy were up there with anyone's. Also, he beat OSU, won the B10 championship and took us to a Rose Bowl. Not sure that would qualify as crappy.
that year. But if that is the best of the decade it is just one more sign of what a crappy decade it was for Michigan football. Like really crappy. As in the worst decade of Michigan football since the 60's and one of the worst decades all time. I assume you will not argue that?
On this: "... he took one to the house for the first time since the 80s against Minnesota..."
I remember watching Seth Smith do that in the mid-'90s against Wisconsin. Can't remember any others from that decade...
Can't remember any others from that decade...
Desmond had a couple, and Tyrone Wheatley had at least one...
I believe the offensive line teams adequately sum up most of the "ARGH" from this decade.
that has to be the biggest drop off from beginning to end of decade of any unit with secondary being a close second.
Such good memories. Thanks.
Navarre was frustrating at times, but in retrospect, anybody who can beat Ohio State isn't so bad. The more time that passes, the more I like #16. Good player and by all accounts a good guy. That '03 season was a wild one, and IME none of the losses we had that year could be directly placed upon John's shoulders. Even though Oregon didn't end up being very good that year, trips to Autzen and Kinnick that close to each other was, in a word, brutal.
it was loud at Autzen that day; UM looked dazed for most of the first half. But it did start to get quiet in the fourth quarter; if that game had only gone another five minutes ...
I figured he might make 2nd team O-Line, and maybe Lentz.
2004 Ohio State is NOTHING compared to 2001 OSU, where Walker dropped a TD pass in the 3rd quarter....that at least scoreboard-wise (if not actually altering the outcome of the game that way)...would have been the difference in the game.
That memory just ruined my day, thanks man.
I swear to god the SI cover jinx is true. When Perry was on it after the OSU game, we end up getting smashed by USC, then when Mike Hart is on one of the preseason covers before the '07 season, well, you know.
If I'm not mistaken, that SI cover with Perry was after the ND game in 2003, the week before the collapse in Oregon.