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By Brian — July 26th, 2010 at 12:37 PM — 48 comments
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  • jeremy lesueur
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  • larry foote
  • lawrence reid
  • leon hall
  • marlin jackson
  • of the decade
  • pierre woods
  • shawn crable
  • terrance taylor
  • tim jamison
  • victor hobson
  • zoltan mesko
  • alan branch

Previously in this series: ESPN Images and Michigan's Offense.

DEFENSIVE END

Brandon Graham (2009) & Lamarr Woodley (2006)

Slam dunk locks and mirror images, Brandon Graham and Lamarr Woodley set the standard for Michigan quarterback terror in the aughts. Wildly hyped in-state recruits and five stars, both spent a couple of years as underclassmen playing here and there and making people wonder if and when they would live up to their billings; both did so emphatically as juniors and then managed to top those performances as seniors. A large portion of last year's defensive UFRs not given over to rending of garments was spent wondering whether Brandon Graham was actually better than Woodley.

Survey says: yes, amazingly.

There was a mailbag question that explicitly addressed it:

I think Graham is better. I haven't gone over the UFR numbers yet—slightly busy this time of year—but I know Graham set a record against Michigan State earlier this year and has been owning offensive tackles all year. Woodley set standards by being consistently around +8 or +9 with forays up to 12; Graham's baseline is around 12 and ranges up to 18.

Though he didn't win the Lombardi like Woodley did his senior year, Graham led the nation in TFLs and was drafted about a full round higher by the NFL. While Woodley was more heralded in the award department, that had a lot to do with the other guys on defense. Woodley's compatriots will pepper the rest of this list. Graham's not so much. Woodley lined up next to Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor, and a senior Rondell Biggs; Graham's bookend was a true freshman and his other linemates were just sophomores.

Lamarr Woodley, meanwhile, did with the Lombardi in 2006, the first and to-date last time a Michigan player has won it. His season was statistically frustrating since, like Graham, he was close to a dozen additional sacks that a competent secondary would have seen him put up truly ludicrous numbers. Even so he had 12 sacks and 4 forced fumbles; outside TFLs were low (just three) but that can be chalked up to the rest of the defense taking up that burden. As mentioned above, he was the original gangsta of the UFR, averaging close to double-digit plus ratings on a weekly basis.

But all that pales in comparison to the play that finished the "Oh Wide Open" game in which Michigan established itself a contender. By scooping up an unforced Brady Quinn fumble and fending off ND tight end John Carlson all the way to the endzone, Woodley inaugurated the Yakety Sax era:

I just watched that three more times.

Second Team: Dan Rumishek (2001), Tim Jamison (2007 or 2008, take your pick)

It gets muddy past the slam dunks. Michigan's quasi 3-4 from the beginning of the decade makes decisions difficult, as does that one year Michigan switched to an actual 3-4. In 2001, Dan Rumishek was on the All Big Ten team with just 22 tackles. Seven were sacks, but man. That same year Shantee Orr managed 35 tackles with six sacks and 10 TFLs, but didn't show up on all conference teams. Later editions of defensive ends would have almost identical big play numbers but way more tackles. Tim Jamison had 10 TFLs and 5.5 sacks as a junior and senior but had 52 and 50 tackles.

Past Rumishek, Orr, and Jamison pickings are slim. Rondell Biggs was the unheralded guy on the 2006 line, a decent plugger but nothing special. A post-career steroid bust also gives his career an unpleasant sheen. Larry Stevens's career was very long but largely anonymous. He's best remembered for being hog-tied on the Spartan Bob play.

We'll go with Dan Rumishek, the only other Michigan DE to get on an All Big Ten team this decade, and one of Tim Jamison's upperclass seasons. Which is entirely up to the reader since they are essentially identical; I lean towards '07 because Graham was not yet a beast and Jamison saw more attention.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE

Alan Branch (2006) & Gabe Watson (2005)

Alan Branch:

branch-morelli

That will do.

His statistics were not ridiculous (25 tackles, 5 TFL, 2 sacks in '06) but when he left for the NFL draft I thought to myself "this is a logical thing because he will go in the top five." Surprisingly he did not, falling to the top of the second round, but when you are primarily responsible for opponents going six of eighteen on third and one you get dropped onto the All Decade Team no questions asked. 

Watson will be a more controversial choice but the guy was a two-time All Big Ten selection and is currently an NFL player. At Michigan he never quite lived up to his copious recruiting hype but he did have some pretty nice statistics for a nose tackle: 40 tackles, 6 TFLs, and 2 sacks as a senior with almost identical numbers from the year before. The primary issue with Michigan's run defense in '05 was that Watson would drive his guy yards into the backfield, forcing the tailback to cut upfield into the gaping hole left because Pat Massey was 6'8" and therefore getting crushed backwards as far as the guy futilely attempting to contain Watson.

The year before Michigan had their one-off experiment with the 3-4, leaving Watson all alone in the middle, where he dominated. In the aftermath of Watson's one-game suspension for being approximately spherical to start the '05 season, I attempted to adjust for Michigan's tendency to give up a lot of nothing and then a lot of huge runs in the spirit of Football Outsider's "adjusted line yards" and came up with the number 2.5, which was better than anyone in the NFL by three tenths of a yard. (Schedules are much more balanced there, FWIW.) Watson may have been an overrated recruit, but his Michigan career has been underrated.

Second Team: Terrance Taylor(2007), Grant Bowman (2003)

 DT Terrance Taylor (67), DT John Ferrara (94), and DE Brandon Graham (65) pressure Irish QB Jimmy Clausen (7) during Michigan's 38-0 win over Notre Dame on Saturday, September 15, 2007 at Michigan Stadium. (RODRIGO GAYA/ Daily).

This is actually Taylor's junior season, when he lined up next to Will Johnson, a sophomore Brandon Graham, and Tim Jamison and managed impressive-for-a-DT numbers: 55 tackles, 8.5 TFLs, 3.5 sacks. He'd drop off considerably in his doomed senior year; whether that was a falloff in play or just collateral damage from the wholesale implosion around him is in the eye of the beholder. My opinion is the latter since Taylor tended to beat a lot of blocks only to see poor linebacker play rob him of opportunities in the run game; he was never much of a pass rusher.

We'll go with Taylor's statistically productive 2007 over 2008 because he was just about as good via the eyeball then and had more to show for it. Either way he is an easy pick.

The last spot is not easy. Early in the decade, Michigan defensive tackles were excruciatingly bored guys who spent football games blocking offensive lineman and letting linebackers take all the glory. In 2001 Shawn Lazarus started 12 games and managed 16 tackles. In the absence of accolades, statistics, or personal remembrances I can't put Lazarus or Eric Wilson or Norman Heuer in here even though I couldn't tell you whether or not those guys were even good. The guys not on the list who I do have personal remembrances of were not very good or are still on the team.

It's a debate between Grant Bowman, who I don't remember much about other than his mother was attacked by the usual band of Columbus idiots one year, and… yeah, Mike Martin and Ryan Van Bergen. Bowman's 2003 featured 36 tackles, 8 TFLs, and 3 sacks; Van Bergen had 40, 6, and 5; Martin 51, 8.5, and two sacks. Bowman's defense was infinitely better (22nd nationally in rush defense) than either Martin's or Van Bergen's but without the UFRs sitting around it's hard to tell how much of that had to do with Bowman and how much was the contributions of Pierre Woods, Carl Diggs, Lawrence Reid, and the profusion of non walk—ons in the secondary.

The tentative nod goes to Bowman if only because the rest of the line that year was Heuer, Massey, and someone the Bentley doesn't even bother to list but is surely Larry Stevens. Even if he had more help behind him, being the best player on a line that did pretty well against the run is a tiebreaker here.

LINEBACKER

David Harris (2006), Larry Foote (2001), Victor Hobson (2002)

A couple years ago I was editing a Hail to the Victors article about the considerable difference between David Harris and Obi Ezeh that referenced a couple plays from the '06 season. The diagrams, as diagrams are often wont to be, were confusing so I set about looking at the play myself so I could break the diagram out into three or four separate ones that would explain things in a more leisurely fashion. This was the result:

Untitled-1I swear to God I saw David Harris read not only the direction of a run play, the blocking scheme of that play, and which offensive lineman was assigned to him but modeled the lineman's brain and duped him into thinking the play had cut back. I found this terribly exciting.

That was just another boulder on the pile of reasons I love David Harris. He looks like Worf. He tackled everyone all the time and never did not tackle anyone. He was the first player I felt I was ahead of the curve on thanks to UFRing the games—like David Molk I think I was the first person in the media to recognize that this unheralded player was the balls, which made me feel like Dr. Z. And he kept tackling people. At some point in 2006 the Greek gods descended from the clouds and borrowed him for a while because the eagle that eats Prometheus's liver was on strike.

Then the Lions passed on him and Lamarr Woodley to take Drew Stanton, guaranteeing that the pair would instantly become two of the best defensive players in the league. Yeah. David Harris. I miss him so much.

Larry Foote M Larry Foote had a less tangential connection to the worst franchise in sports, but outside of that one-off decision his career has been a good one. As an upperclassman he was an all-around terror, notching 19 TFLs in 2000 and 26 in 2001 at the same time as he picked up a total of 16 PBUs. In 2000 he actually had more of the latter than Todd Howard, and Todd Howard got some of his when the ball deflected off the back of his helmet. Foote was what Jonas Mouton was supposed to be.

We'll go with Foote's senior year when his sack total leapt from one to six and he was named the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year en route to a smattering of All-American honors. A fourth-round pick of the Steelers, Foote's NFL career has been long and productive; he gets a small dollop of bonus points for being one of the current NFL crew frequently seen hanging out with Barwis.

The final member of the first team had to beat out stiff competition but Victor Hobson gets the nod because he was by far the best player on his front seven (Rumishek, Bowman, Lazarus, Stevens, Orr, Diggs, and Zach Kaufman(!) were the other major conributors) in 2002 and racked up the best all-around numbers of any linebacker under consideration: 99 tackles, 13 for loss, 5.5 sacks, and two interceptions. One of those was the Outback-sealing reverse pass interception. Hobson was deservedly All Big Ten on a team that finished 9th in the final rankings and 31st in rushing defense despite having zero future NFL players other than Hobson and an injury-stricken Orr.

Second Team: Pierre Woods(2003), Shawn Crable(2007), Lawrence Reid(2004)

Pierre Woods did something almost but not quite bad enough to get booted off the team after his breakout sophomore season (68 tackles, 14 TFL, 7 sacks) and spent the rest of his career playing sparingly—probably the only thing that has infuriated both Ted Ginn Sr and myself—until injury forced Michigan to deploy him extensively in the '05 Iowa game, whereupon he totally saved Michigan's bacon. Though he'd moved to defensive end by then, his bust-out year was at linebacker so here he goes.

Poor star-crossed Shawn Crable will go down in history as the best player to ever put on a winged helmet who Michigan fans have exclusively terrible memories of. In the span of three games at the end of the 2006 season and beginning of 2007, Crable delivered a helmet-to-helmet hit on a scrambling Troy Smith that turned a fourth-down punt into first down and eventually the winning points for OSU and failed to execute a simple blocking assignment on the field goal that could have turned The Horror into the worst win ever.

When he wasn't doing either of those things, though, he was a unique weapon. He is the current holder of Michigan's TFL record and spent his college days bouncing from linebacker to defensive end to crazy 6'6" chicken-legged defensive tackle in certain spread packages, finding ways into the backfield wherever he lined up. He also was the Ryan Mallett of defense as an underclassman, overran a bunch of plays even after he got his head on straight, and appears twice on the upcoming Worst Moments Of The Decade list. That disqualifies him from the first team, but not the second.

Finally, Lawrence Reid saw his career end prematurely as his back went out; late in the 2004 season it was clear he was laboring. Despite that he finished with 70 tackles, 12 for loss, 3 sacks, and an interception. Without the injury his senior season could have made it on to the first team… and seriously aided the 2005 team's efforts to not play the unready Shawn Crable.

CORNERBACK

LEON_HALL

Marlin Jackson(2002), Leon Hall(2006)

Leon Hall was sneaky great, one of the few players that the NFL ended up drafting well before I expected them to. Before Hall went halfway through the first round I'd pegged him as another LeSueur sort who'd go in the second and have a decent career; instead he's kind of ridiculously good. Hall leapt into the starting lineup midway through his freshman year an continued improving until he was a hidden beast on the '06 team. Hall's tackles declined from 61 to 45 as teams targeted neophyte Morgan Trent and whichever slot receiver Chris Graham had no hope of covering. At the same time his PBUs leapt from 5 to 15(!). That's impressive. Hall was a deserved Thorpe finalist.

Jackson, meanwhile, has the rare privilege of being the only sophomore to feature in the All-Decade first team. His opening-day matchup against Reggie Williams, Washington's star receiver and a player who had seriously considered Michigan before choosing to stay home, was electric. Jackson got in Williams's grill all day and the Huskies would not back off; by the third quarter he'd set an all-time Michigan record for pass breakups.

By the end of the year he was a second-team All-American to the AP, third team to Sporting News, and (whoopee!) first team to College Football News. He would spent his junior year at safety, battling injury, and though a return to corner as a senior found him on All-America teams again, Jackson never quite recaptured that sophomore magic.

Second team: Jeremy LeSueur (2003), Donovan Warren (2009)

LeSueur was a true rarity on the Michigan roster: a kid who managed to escape the state of Mississippi's immense gravitational pull. He started off slightly wonky—it was his face-mask penalty on Charles Rogers that extended Michigan State's final drive in 2001, setting up both the Spartan Bob play and Lloyd Carr's public dressing-down of Drew Sharp—but finally developed into the guy I thought Leon Hall was: an All-Big Ten type of player destined for a solid NFL career. That wasn't quite the case—LeSueur is currently playing for Bon Jovi, but no one else from the decade comes close.

The final spot is a tossup between Morgan Trent in the one year he wasn't clueless or unmotivated (2007), Donovan Warren this year, Grant Mason's year that exemplifies totally average play, and the nine starts James Whitley made in 2000 before succumbing to his personal demons. The vote here is for Warren, who I actually thought was good, over Trent, who I thought was okay trending towards good.

SAFETY… SORT OF

Jamar Adams (2007), Julius Curry (2000)

jamar-adamsMichigan fans will be unsurprised to find a wasteland here after nine defensive positions occupied by world-wrecking All-Americans who have embarked on long NFL careers—everyone on the first team to this point is still in the NFL and almost all will start this year. Safety? Well, Cato June is still kicking around as a linebacker, but at Michigan he was a wreck thanks to an ACL tear that took years for him to fully recover from. And that's almost it.

The almost: Jamar Adams, bless his heart, was the closest thing to a star safety Michigan had in the aughts. He was actually good. Not good enough to get on the All Big Ten first team or get drafted, but good enough to be on the second team two years running and stick with the Seahawks long enough to actually get on the field in six games last year. This makes him a slam-dunk lock as the best safety in the last ten years of Michigan football.

And now: guh. After Adams it's a choice between the most massively overrated Michigan player of the decade—Ernest Shazor—or the guys towards the beginning of the aughts that no one remembers being specifically terrible. You can feel free to disagree but there is no way I'm putting Shazor here. While he did decapitate Dorien Bryant in that one Purdue game, his Michigan career ceased there unbeknownst to the coaches and most of the fans. He was about 80% of the reason Braylon Edwards had to hulk up and smash Michigan State in the Braylonfest game and when he entered the NFL draft he went from a projected second-round pick to totally undrafted, but not before various organizations made him a first-team All American. I will exercise my Minute Observer of Michigan Football privileges and say this: ha, ha, ha.

The problem then is that as I went through the names that vaguely occupied the safety spots for Michigan over the last decade I thought to myself "I should probably write down Willis Barringer and Brandent Englemon." Sadly, I cannot vouch for two guys who couldn't stay healthy or maintain their starting jobs, nor can I seriously support anyone I've seen take the field in the UFR era. So let's reach back into the long, long ago when memories are fuzzy and haul out easily the most unlikely member of the All Aughts: Julius Curry.

I can't tell you that I have detailed knowledge of Curry's play anymore, but I do remember liking the guy a lot and being seriously disappointed when his junior and senior years were wrecked by injury. As a sophomore in 2000, he put up an impressive collection of statistics: 59 tackles, 5 TFLs, 5 PBUs, and 3 forced fumbles, plus two interceptions, one of which he returned for a touchdown against Ohio State in a 38-26 win. Michigan managed to scrape out the 49th-best pass efficiency defense despite deploying Todd Howard and a very confused James Whitley—this was the heart of the "suspects" era—thanks to Curry's unregarded efforts. Maybe he never decapitated anyone, but by God he definitely would have tackled DeAndra Cobb by the second time.

garrett-rivas-2Second Team: DeWayne Patmon(2000), Ernest Shazor(2004)

Patmon was the second member of the safety unit I remember not being specifically terrified about; Shazor was discussed above. He does deserve to be here because even if he gave up a ton of big plays he made more big plays in Michigan's favor than the other safeties kicking around this decade, and those guys gave up about as many plays.

Kicker

Garrett Rivas (2006)

Rivas never had a huge leg but he was good out to 47-48 yards and stands as the most accurate kicker of the decade, hitting 64 of 82 in his four years as Michigan's kicker. That's a 78% strike rate; in 2006 he checked in at 85%. He was reliable, and that's all you ask for in a college kicker.

Punter

Zoltan Mesko (2009)

Obviously. All hail Zoltan the Inconceivable.

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July 26th, 2010 at 12:45 PM | Gabe Watson (Score:1)
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but he did have some pretty nice statistics for a nose tackle: 440 tackles, 6 TFLs, and 2 sacks as a senior

No wonder the Defense has been hurting. We haven't had a 440 tackle guy in quite a while now. I mean, that's impressive.

In all seriousness, I just can't find any points to argue on your list. It's depressing that we have to go all the way back to the beginning of the decade for our best linebackers, though.

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July 26th, 2010 at 12:46 PM | I would give my oldest child (Score:1)
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I would give my oldest child to have seen Watson make 440 tackles his senior year.

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July 26th, 2010 at 12:55 PM | Any chance we see a 10 best (Score:1)
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Any chance we see a 10 best games of the decade?  hell id be fine with 5 best games.

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July 26th, 2010 at 12:59 PM | Graham has got a lot of (Score:1)
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Graham has got a lot of ground to make up if he is to 'continue' being better than Woodley at the next level.

Give it to Wheatley!

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July 26th, 2010 at 6:35 PM | who cares? (Score:1)
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i respect BG as much as anyone i've ever watched here - and i go back a ways.  it's easy to give your all when the going is good and give less than your best when the going is rough (ya, i'm talking to you D Warren).  But BG was a stud on UM's worst teams during our lifetimes.  And I truly respect him for that.  It would have been easy to give up during some of those games.

he could do nothing in the pros and it won't change my opinion of him.  i feel the same about glen steele.

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:00 PM | Branch (Score:1)
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Has there ever been a decent explanation for Branch's slide in the draft and his subsequent mediocre pro career? In 2006, he was devastating, then he slides out of the first round after early mock drafts had him going in the top 5 and now plays sporadically for the Cardinals (18 tackles all of last year). Unmotivated? Not as good as he seemed? It's always mystified me.

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:27 PM | IIRC (Score:1)
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He has had a lot of leg problems, specifically shin problems and ACL problems.  These leg problems caused his combine measurables to be not as impressive as thought and the injuries continued to hurt his pro career.  I also think that he was just that much more of a man in college and he couldn't get away with just being physically superior in the NFL. 

Plus, as others have stated before, he didn't even have 440 tackles in a season...

As for Taylor and Watson not panning out as well as they were supposed to, most of that has to do with consistant effort and them moving their feet.  I'm not sure what they were coached or how much they were coached, but constant criticism was brought up of both of them having concrete feet. 

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:49 PM | IIRC, motivation factor was (Score:1)
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IIRC, motivation factor was always the knock against him.   Took plays off, wasn't in the best shape.  Went from dominating to non-existant play to play

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:02 PM | What was that last position?  (Score:1)
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What was that last position?  Safety?  I'm unfamiliar with the concept.

I knew that the safety corps had been bad here for a while, but this really, really put it in stark relief.  Geez. 

You may resume your unbreakable faith in David Brandon's pimp hand.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:59 PM | Ohhhh, (Score:1)
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so there's supposed to be people between linebacker and touchdown?  No wonder we've had problems.

Anybody got a video of Lloyd Carr's public dressing-down of Drew Sharp?

"Why would you ask a dumb question like that?"  -Lloyd Carr

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:33 PM | I've never even heard of this (Score:1)
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I've never even heard of this Carr-Sharp thing. Can someone provide a story?

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:15 PM | WHAT? No Hayden Epstein??? (Score:1)
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WHAT? No Hayden Epstein??? Can we at least add him for kick off specialist? He would have torn Rivas apart if we had counted the number of times he sent the ball through the uprights on kick offs.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:08 PM | Rivas (Score:1)
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I can understand why Brian valued consistency, but Epstein was kind of a proto-Zoltan in terms of putting the ball into low earth orbit.  I still remember him kicking a 58-yarder at MSU one year (2001?).

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:27 PM | I understand picking Rivas (Score:1)
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I understand picking Rivas and I definitely understand picking Zoltan in those categories. I'm just surprised that there is no mention whatsoever of Epstein as a runner up or even in the kick off category, just to get his name in there.

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July 26th, 2010 at 6:39 PM | Rivas (Score:1)
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kicked the lowest, ugliest, hooking-type kicks i've ever seen.  but god bless him.  he made most of them; especially when they weren't blocked.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:24 PM | Epstein's best work as a (Score:1)
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Epstein's best work as a kickoff specialist occurred in 1998, when he was a freshman, before the ACL injury - before this past decade.  He wasn't nearly as good on kickoffs after that (though he still had a strong leg on FGs).

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July 27th, 2010 at 1:11 AM | And no Adam Finley! (Score:1)
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I know he wasn't great at punting or placekicking but him accomplishing serviceabilitiy as punter and kicker in 2002 stabilized what was looking like a horrendous excuse for place kicking (Phillip Brabbs' One Shining Moment Of Infinite Glory, not withstanding).

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:16 PM | I completely forgot (Score:1)
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I completely forgot about DeWayne Patmon. That guy used to be one of my favorite wolverines. 

Also, seeing as there are mention of the specialists why no love for kick and punt returners. Breaston was a beast for both!

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:25 PM | 2006 Defense (Score:1)
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I thought it was just going to be a list of the 2006 team and their highlights. With Brandon Graham. 

I love this feature Brian, keep them coming. If there is a "Worst" feature, let's make sure the "Best" comes up last. And the yakety sax is quite possibly the best thing ever

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:32 PM | Where is Scott McLintock?!?!? (Score:1)
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Where is Scott McLintock?!?!?

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:39 PM | No jokes about Rivas being (Score:1)
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No jokes about Rivas being fat?

Come on, Brian. You're better than that.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:06 PM | He does look particularly (Score:1)
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He does look particularly portly in that picture.  I miss Rivas. 

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:54 PM | DTs (Score:1)
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My favorite part:

"Early in the decade, Michigan defensive tackles were excruciatingly bored guys who spent football games blocking offensive lineman and letting linebackers take all the glory."

With the exception of the championship year, you could go back well before 2000 and that would be true.  The D-line in general was underemphasized and the least-talented part of the team for many years.  Gabe Watson was arguably the first player of his type since... who knows when?

"..."

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:47 PM | Mark Messner and Mike (Score:1)
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Mark Messner and Mike Hammerstein would disagree.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
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July 26th, 2010 at 3:50 PM | Messner and Hammerstein (Score:1)
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If you're responding to me, notice I was referring to Lloyd Carr's best defenses. There's no doubt Messner and Hammerstein were great players. Still a puzzle to me why Messner didn't have more of a pro career. Too small?


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July 26th, 2010 at 4:00 PM | I was responding to (Score:1)
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I was responding to BlueHeron, actually.

Messner didn't have more a pro career because his knee was turned into an open-faced roast beef sandwich with gravy in the Rams playoff game his second season. 

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July 26th, 2010 at 4:38 PM | open-faced roast beef sandwich with gravy (Score:1)
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I can never eat an open-faced roast beef sandwich again without thinking of Mark Messner. Thanks, I guess.


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July 26th, 2010 at 6:43 PM | DTs (Score:1)
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Seems to me, UM usually has been pretty solid over the years at DT.  Will Carr was pretty good to.  Just don't give him the damn ball on short yardage!!!

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July 26th, 2010 at 1:55 PM | All I can really say (Score:1)
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is a comment that almost always comes up in my mind after reading a great front page article (or even some diaries). Sometimes I can't think of anything more than:

 

I love this site. So much. For so many reasons.

 

This offseason is killing me slowly and painfully.

Mike Martin told me he loves me. My life is quite possibly complete.

Join the bone marrow donor registry today: www.dkmsamericas.org (do it.)

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:04 PM | God, how was that hit on (Score:1)
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God, how was that hit on Winston not a part of Graham's highlight clip when he was drafted?  

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:07 PM | What I want to know is (Score:1)
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How in the world does a guy have 440 tackles, 6TFL's and 2 sacks not win the Heisman?

 

Watson will be a more controversial choice but the guy was a two-time All Big Ten selection and is currently an NFL player. At Michigan he never quite lived up to his copious recruiting hype but he did have some pretty nice statistics for a nose tackle: 440 tackles, 6 TFLs, and 2 sacks as a senior with almost identical numbers from the year before.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:08 PM | Branch (Score:1)
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That pic of Branch is awesome.  I have a large version in a frame in my office. 

Good times, good times.

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July 29th, 2010 at 12:02 PM | Branch photo (Score:1)
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Is one of the best pics of all-time.  Love how the PSU o-line is walking off the field, not even bothering to see if the QB is ok.  I imagine them saying, "Well, there's nothing we can do for him now.".

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July 29th, 2010 at 12:28 PM | Actually, didn't they score a (Score:1)
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Actually, I think PSU was running down the field because the deep, back-foot pass was completed.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:17 PM | Who does the following statement describe? (Score:1)
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when he entered the NFL draft he went from a projected second-round pick to totally undrafted, but not before various organizations made him a first-team All American.

Ernest Shazor, or Donovan Warren?  Edit: I suppose Warren was not all-american, but all Big Ten (?).  Still, strikingly similar IMO.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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July 26th, 2010 at 2:31 PM | Dear Lord... (Score:1)
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I miss David Harris (tears roll down my cheeks).

Hoke bitches...Hoke.

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July 26th, 2010 at 7:03 PM | ya (Score:1)
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he was one of the most underrated players i can remember.  i still wish UM would have let DH be a spy on vince young during the rose bowl.  i was screaming at the tv for it.  i would wager the result would have been different.

of course USC made a similar mistake the following year.

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:29 PM | i now realize that the pleasure (Score:1)
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I get from these videos is no more or less than what any five-year-old gets from imagining all of the dark things in the corner getting VANQUISHED by HIMSELF, blown up to ridiculous musculoskeletal proportions, wearing HIS maize and blue Superman suit, wherever and whenever they make the mistake of messing with him (ME)!!!!!

Not sure whether--in strict Freudian terms--this is just the kind of stuff that bangs around in the attic of anyone's Id-attic-unconscious, whether it might even be laudable that I can RECOGNIZE it., or whether I (or we as a nation?) should all seek counseling.

Thanks for making my afternoon, Brian.

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:11 PM | Haha (Score:1)
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So glad that you mentioned Pat Massey's inability to do much of anything.  Jesus christ that guy was frustrating, not to mention his little brother Mike stonehands Massey.  Those 2 were absolute monsters at St. Ignatius, but wow they pissed me off once they put the winged helmet on.

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:47 PM | Pat Massey's inability to... knock down a pass at the LOS (Score:1)
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It was a mind-boggling mystery why a guy who was 6'-8" never seemed to be able to put his arms up in the air. He should have been knocking down 2-3 passes per game.... I don't know if he had that many in his career. I always wondered if it was horrible coaching or just that Pat couldn't manage it for some reason. Maybe his pads were too tight.

It's not a coincidence that LC's two best teams were '97 and '06—they had by far the best defenses, and by far the best DL corps. Couple those units with the best cornerbacks in Woodson and Hall, and you're a force to be reckoned with.


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July 26th, 2010 at 4:16 PM | More on Shazor and Safety Eligibility (Score:1)
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He pre-dates my access to defensie minutae. For those of us who spent the early part of last decade reveling in the praise heaped upon Shazor the Razor in non-HTTV pre-season books, what was the knock on him?

I remember him as an extremely effective strong safety whose height made him troublesome for passers.

If you break safety into two position (e.g. the one Jordan Kovacs played very effectively last year, and the one he was a disaster at), then Shazor's junior season as a blitzer and tackler was pretty darn good. Compare his play to that of Englemon. Of course, Jamar Adams played this side as well, as did Julius Curry and Patmon. Lloyd's prototype for the strong side was a tall guy with north-south speed. They were susceptible

The free safety position was the real disaster. If we can count Marlin Jackson's injury-ruined junior year here, that's by far the best performance we saw from the spot. The next best would probably be Charles Drake's quasi-competence, then Brandon Harrison's 2008, or disaster years from Stevie Brown/Charles Stewart , Willis Barringer, Ryan Mundy, and Michael Williams.

Troy Woolfolk, when he was at safety, is in the conversation here too. Had we not been (and remain) so desperate for his services at corner, I was as impressed with Woolfolk at free safety as any guy on this list.

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July 26th, 2010 at 6:43 PM | MJ (Score:1)
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Good call on MJ… he was my first thought for not being on there… how do you leave off a 2 time All American

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July 26th, 2010 at 10:59 PM | Probably because he counted (Score:1)
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Probably because he counted him at corner, which is fair. Plus, he was injured for much of that year, which left us with a couple of Willis Barringer-induced previews of 2009, and then a lot of wincing as Marlin tried to play on that ankle.

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July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 AM | Don't knock Barringer. He won (Score:1)
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Don't knock Barringer. He won the Hesiman in NCAA 2005.

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:25 PM | David Harris on special teams (Score:1)
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One thing that I never see mentioned is how much of a beast Harris was on special teams as well. Even as a senior he would be trotted out for punt coverage and kickoffs. I remember at least 4 or 5 occasions that season where he just destroyed the returner.  David Harris with a full head of steam was a very very dangerous thing.

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July 26th, 2010 at 3:36 PM | Lions passed on him and Lamarr Woodley to take Drew Stanton (Score:1)
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That's a good thing. No true Michigan fan should ever want a Wolverine to go to that sad sack franchise, at least as long as the Fords are involved.


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July 26th, 2010 at 3:36 PM | F.T.R. (Score:1)
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The first glowing praise about David Harris came from every single spring early in his career. He would be the big spring buzz for several summers running, then be injured when it came time to play.

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July 26th, 2010 at 4:50 PM | How about Troy Woolfolk at (Score:1)
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How about Troy Woolfolk at safety?

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