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|WHAT||Michigan vs Syracuse|
|WHEN||8:50 PM Eastern, Saturday|
Four factors. Ranks are in parentheses and out of 347.
|eFG%||Turnover %||Off. Reb. %||FTA/FGA|
|Offense||49.1 (139)||18.9 (119)||39.0 (8)||37.6 (136)|
|Defense||42.5 (4)||23.6(19)||34.3 (278)||35.4 (156)|
Syracuse is mediocre at everything on offense save rebounding. They crush the boards in large part because they are huge, starting three guys in the 6'8"-6'9" range and bringing up to three more off the bench depending on the health of freshman DaJuan Coleman. Their guards are 6'4", minimum; point guard Michael Carter-Williams is 6'6".
The size plays into their defensive strengths. Despite not having a single dominant shotblocker like Jeff Withey, Syracuse is #1 in block percentage. Their zone confounds opponents into shooting a ton of bad threes: 40% of opponent shots are from behind the line. That's in the bottom 20 nationally. Normally that's a bad thing, but not when opponents are shooting 28% on them. Syracuse induces bad threes QED: in their Elite Eight matchup against Marquette they got a team that was 304th in threes launched because they were 323rd in making them. Almost half of Marquettes shots were threes; they made 3 of 25. They did not clear 40 points.
For what it's worth, Pomeroy ran the numbers and suggests that even in the random realm of three-point shooting Syracuse's 2-3 zone has a real, negative impact on opponents, but one that may be masked by Syracuse's typically… er… unchallenging nonconference schedule and the Big East's usual shooter deficit. The Orangemen were just 8th (of 16) in defensive 3P% in Big East play.
The zone's drawback is the usual: rebounding. Despite running out a fee-fi-fo-fum lineup, the Orangemen allow opponents to rebound more than a third of their misses.
Syracuse's offense starts with their guards. Michael Carter-Williams and Brandon Triche are the highest-usage players on the team, though 6'8" wing James Southerland gets off more shots. Neither guard is particularly efficient, largely because of shooting issues. Collectively they've launched 280 threes that they hit at 29%. Both also have TO rates over 20.
MCW makes opponent point guards go bug-eyed at the size matchup
PG #1 Michael Carter-Williams makes up for those deficiencies with a massive assist rate (he assists on 41% of Syracuse makes), a lot of free throws, and a steal rate that's near the top ten. He's just not a shooter, though: on the 70% of his shots that aren't at the rim he hits under 30%. If you want a comparable, Darius Morris is a close one. Both are huge, poor-shooting point guards who use their length to exploit passing angles smaller guards can't.
Defensively, Carter-Williams is a load. He doesn't have to D-up opposing point guards one-on-one too often because of the zone, so whatever deficiency in quickness his size provides is covered. Meanwhile, that length makes it difficult for guard-sized guards to shoot over him. He affects passing angles much like a huge team would disrupt passing lanes in the 1-3-1. You probably know this, but six-foot-ish Indiana guards Yogi Ferrell and Jordan Hulls combined for zero points in the Hoosiers's S16 loss to the Orange.
Brandon Triche is a couple inches shorter than Carter-Williams and a vaguely better shooter. He's still 35% on two point jumpers and 29% on threes. Triche is the only Syracuse player other than MCW who racks up an appreciable number of assists. Wing CJ Fair has a fair number of unassisted baskets, but other than that basically all of Syracuse's shots are generated by their starting guards.
Triche may or may not be affected with a sore back on Saturday. The "recurring, nagging" injury has been bothering him since February and may have something to do with his weak shooting numbers.
Speaking of CJ Fair, he is much more of a post-oriented offensive player than his fellow 6'8" wing-type guy. Despite hitting 48% from three he's only taken 60 attempts from that distance all year, and that's not a playing time thing: guy is on the court 35 minutes a game. He takes a huge number of twos, which he converts at 47%. Unusually for… well, anyone, a majority of his shots are two point jumpers. He's pretty good on them, and unusually crappy at the rim. Michigan should be able to check him with GRIII without getting pounded inside.
Once-suspended James Southerland is Syracuse's most efficient offensive player by some distance. He's their only serious three-point threat, hitting 40% on over 200 attempts. He's also the only Orangeman other than the centers to crack 50% on attempted twos.
His hoop-math profile is pretty weird. Only 13% of his shots are at the rim—this is tiny, Spike Albrecht is at 27%—but they appear to be 90% dunks because he hits 90% of them. His jumpers are frequent and meh. Transition? Guys closing out and getting Game Blouses dunks on their face? I don't know man. Syracuse guys say he "can't dribble and his bball IQ isn't the highest," so it appears that the only time Southerland gets to the rim is in transition or when provided an alley oop or whatever from one of the guards.
The recipe here is for hrrrd closeouts. If the guy wants to step inside the three point line and put up a jumper, Michigan will take that.
Syracuse splits their five spot about down the middle between Rakeem Christmas, a 6'9" leaper with a huge wingspan, and Baye Keita, a 6'10" leaper with a huge wingspan. Both block a ton of shots and rebound decently. Christmas is an elite shotblocker; Keita very good. Keita is a very good offensive rebounder; Christmas is okay. Both have an offensive game almost entirely restricted to putbacks and here-is-a-free-dunk-from-your-point-guard. Christmas will put up a jumper slightly more than once a game, Keita even more rarely than that. They shoot decently when they get something off, which is not often. Both are 60% FT shooters.
I suggest boxing Christmas out.
Syracuse brings two guys off the bench for their other four spots. At least they used to before the tournament. Now that it's crunch time, Syracuse is rolling its non-center starters out 35+ minutes a game each. Carter-Williams and Triche have been on the bench for a combined 17 minutes in the three vaguely competitive games 'Cuse has played in the tourney.
Here are the guys you'll see for maybe four minutes:
If any bench player other than Keita plays a significant role, Michigan is feeling good about that.
Syracuse didn't do much in the nonconference schedule other than knock off future seven seed SDSU in the season opener. That was on an aircraft carrier; SDSU was 1 of 18 from three. Since that was outdoors that may not be a particularly meaningful game.
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Syracuse's other KP100 nonconference wins came against Princeton, Detroit, and Arkansas (at home, by nine). They lost to Temple at MSG. Their nonconference record against future tourney teams, then: 1-1, with a win over a #7 and a loss to a #9.
In Big East play they were kind of meh. They went 11-7; they finished fifth in the league in both offensive and defensive efficiency. Their prime scalp is a two point win at Louisville, which yeah okay nice win. They also won home games against Villanova, Cincinnati, and Notre Dame.
Their losses were numerous but at least they were all understandable. The worst loss was probably at Connecticut or a 22 point bombing Georgetown put on them at the end of the regular season. The Orange then made a run to the Big East final, downing Pitt and the Georgetown team that had just hammered them before getting thumped by Louisville in the final. Syracuse actually led that game 48-43 with 11 minutes left before the Cardinals finished the game on a 35-13 run. Yeah, 35 points in 11 minutes. But that's another game preview.
In the tourney Syracuse took it to the proverbial Next Level, demolishing Montana by a women's scoreline, easing by Cal in a game that was nowhere near a close as the final score makes it appear ('Cuse led by 13 with 2 minutes left), confusing Indiana into one billion Cody Zeller blocked shots, and strangling Marquette by 16. No one has put up more than 60 on Cuse in the tournament and that was Cal inflating their point total in a futile attempt to extend the game: they had 45 points 38 minutes in.
If you can manage to get someone other than a Syracuse center in foul trouble, that would be great. If Michigan sees a lot of Trevor Cooney, things get a lot easier for them. The Orangemen are incredibly thin. They essentially cannot replace lost offensive production from any of their starters not named Rakeem Christmas. I'm not really sure Michigan putting them in foul trouble is possible, though: Michigan doesn't draw any fouls and only Southerland averages more than 3 fouls per 40.
It's hard to focus your attention on any particular player in a zone, meanwhile. Best bet might be trying to draw a charge on one of the guards if they pick up an early foul.
Beast up, Mitch. Michigan isn't going to turn it over much and Syracuse is vulnerable on the offensive boards. Mitch McGary is one of the country's best offensive rebound vacuums, and that's not just based on his recent run. He's top ten in OREB rate over the course of the season.
Meanwhile he's pumping in those putbacks at an incredible rate, finishing easily with both hands. A double double beckons if McGary can stay on the court, and he likely will since he won't be picking up a ton of fouls against 'Cuse's low-usage bigs and the play against Syracuse is to keep them away from the rim and see what happens.
Bombs away. Syracuse forces a lot of threes. Michigan's inclined to take them, albeit not quite as much as the usual Beilein team. Where and when Michigan gets the copious threes they'll be putting up is important. If they're coming off Burke stopping at the free throw line and facilitating this is ideal. Kenpom points out that once you focus on Syracuse's Big East schedule their intimidating three-point defense tends to drop away. Even in this year of crubberating defense the Orange were only 8th in 3P% D in Big East play. IE: average.
Michigan has long shooters and a OREB beast; they're playing a D that turns you over a lot and blocks you a ton but gives up a ton of offensive rebounds. When in doubt they should pretend they are Minnesota. Have a shot? Take it. If you miss there's a 40% chance it's going back up anyway.
You: stay away from the rim. If Michigan keeps Syracuse away from the rim, the Orangemen will either be having an out of body experience on jumpers or be idling a good distance under a PPP. The gameplan should be similar that against VCU, except with less respect paid to threes: sag off guys, try to stay in front of them, don't go for low-probability blocked shots. Let them put it up, and let's have a shooting contest.
Southerland is the only exception. Michigan needs to identify him at all times and live in his jock. He is Just A Shooter.
As per usual, go get it in transition. Michigan's been climbing up the tempo charts and is now almost average. Most relevantly for Michigan, Syracuse turns the ball over quite a bit for a top outfit. They're especially vulnerable to steals.
Burke's trademark pickpocket might spot them a 2 or 4 point lead; Mitch might have an opportunity to get some of those perimeter steals against lazy passes, especially since if he misses the opposing big isn't likely to take two dribbles and cram it down Michigan's throat.
Like games against Kansas and Florida, the best way to avoid a clamp-down defensive outfit is to not let it get set up.
Trey Burke: maintain efficiency. If you're looking for a better sample size for that whole "Syracuse destroys small guards" meme, Peyton Siva's consistently miserable outings are worrying. The 6'0" Louisville PG doesn't have great numbers, but that may be because he's had to play Syracuse three times this year. In those matchups he's a stunning 1/20 from three and 3/6 from two. Siva shot 35% from three in games not against Syracuse this year.
Similarly diminutive Russ Smith had better luck, FWIW, with 25, 18, and 10 points at acceptable efficiency rates. What with the Big East being light on Burke-level guards this year we have little data other than those Louisville games and the Indiana demolition.
It goes without saying that Michigan's path to victory gets pretty hazy if Burke is turning in Siva numbers.
Win the high post. Michigan has three avenues into the high post area that is the traditionally-declared weakness of the 2-3 zone: pass to Hardaway, pass to McGary, or screen Trey in there. Hardaway's main weapon is a FT line jumper that he can vary. McGary can take the elbow jumper or drive if the big comes up. The question there is can he maintain an acceptably low TO rate when put in a difficult, decision-demanding situation?
Meanwhile, Burke is an excellent option anywhere on the court but getting him to the spot is tough. He might have to press a bit and risk some turnovers.
In any case, a key metric to look for is GRIII dunks in the half court as he plunges down the baseline.
Michigan by one.
I know it's not a traditional way to attack the zone, but we're so good at running it, and UM Hoops linked this old article showing how the P&R can be used against the zone:
One advantage of the zone is that it gets teams away from the things they're used to doing. If we can (a) keep using something that's worked well for us and at the same time (b) attack the zone in a way that 'Cuse isn't used to seeing, that could be a positive.
During the season, I got so tired of people suggesting play a 2-3 zone or use the 1-3-1 more. I am now that guy. Carter-Williams has really taken his point guard play to an elite level in the tournament. We'll definitely start in man, but if he gets their offense into a groove the 1-3-1 should work against them. Southerland can't handle it and makes terrible decisions. Triche takes some bad shot and Carter-Williams isn't quick enough to split guys. My concerns would be Carter Williams height to pass over top and Fair attacking the basket.
Michigan ran the 1-3-1 once vs Kansas, giving up a corner 3 to McClemore on a play Hardaway messed up the rotation. Even if we screw up a rotation vs Syracuse, I'm not sure they have the personnel to take advantage of it. Georegetwon played them zone and held them in the 40's.
Carter-Williams was fantastic last weekend, but in the round of 32, Cal held him to 12 points and three assists while forcing five turnovers. We should watch film of that game. Anyone know what D they ran?
It'll be interesting to see who UM picks on C-Williams to start the game. Burke's only 6'1" at best. Do they throw Stauskas or THJ on Williams and let Burke start off on Triche?
Every time we've gone to the 1-3-1 this season we give up an easy uncontested three or layup and then go back to man. I'd prefer to not spot the other team two or three free points. I know everyone likes to say we beat Pitt because of the 1-3-1, I remember reading that after watching the game and thinking 'what the hell game were they watching,' but even if that is/were true, every other game it has been free points.
I was at the game and it wasn't a good experience. High ticket prices, horrible sight lines, and SDSU got bushwhacked. The game was actually post-poned 2 days due to a storm but there was still a pretty strong wind that affected the Aztecs more as they were relying almost entirely on outside shots. It was just a terrible matchup for a team that ended up not coming close to their pre-season expectations.
Syracuse was impressive though, played with a controlled swagger
for celebration or for drowning sorrows
8:50 PM Eastern, Saturday
Hold on . . . mgoblue.com says the opening tip is at 8:49.
Why don't you want us to see the opening tip?
Now I'm afraid something horrible is going to happen in that first minute.
to set the tone?
It seems like Syracuse's offense is really clunky and needs to generate a lot of turnovers on D to score. Sounds a lot like VCU- we don't turn the ball over, so how many is Syracuse going to score?
M by double digits.
watched them a lot this year. Their offense is better than the statistics would indicate. They are very scrappy and their guards both can create their own shot and stick the 3. This team is better than this review indicates.
Evidence suggesting that the Syracuse guards can't shoot the three, evidence which includes their 3 point percentage, you're going to say the can, in fact, shoot the three?
lol, the offense is better than their XX.X pts/game. of course it is. if only we could account for how good the teams are that they played, somehow. aw fuck it, that probably requires math
I've watched a fair amount of Syacuse games this year because I wanted to see who this MCW guy thats supposed to be as good or better than Burke is (btw thats a laughable statement). MCW is a horrible shooter and has pretty bad handles and turns it over a lot. He's athletic and gets to the rim a lot which can create a dunk/layup or an easy assist. As much as I hate the 'clutch' thing, he does seem to be clutch. He'll be bricking away all game every game but then the game is on the line and he hits a big three or makes some other nice play. If not for his late game heroics I'd say he's extremely overhyped. Triche seemed like the far better player in every game I watched, I was surprised to see how low his 3pt shooting percentage is. Overall their offensive talent is mediocre but they have a lot of athleticism.
Like any "unstoppable force meets immovable object" matchup its the flip side of the coin that will probably decide the game.
Namely, Syracuse's O vs our D. The more we rebound and kick it into transition at high gear, the more we can avoid facing their weaving 2-3 at full strength.
Yep, M plays good D and McGary outlets lead to transition threes and dunks is a key component to reaching the Finals.
"Syracuse actually led (Louisville) that game 48-43 with 11 minutes left before the Cardinals finished the game on a 35-13 run. Yeah, 35 points in 11 minutes. But that's another game preview."
Um, yes please.
I'm much more interested in events leading to my needing to read a Wichita St preview.
has been shooting the lights out every game this tourney, lets hope they keep doing it. This has been one magical run for them and I don't want to see it end.
but Beilein on the whole Harlem shake thing replies with "We had some dancing...it was wonderful."
“It’s tough to do the Harlem Shake sitting down,” Beilein said, laughing. “We had some other people trying to hog the camera, in case you didn’t notice that.
“We had some really great music on the bus. The bus driver had a CD that was very good. I had to cover my ears a couple times because he said he didn’t have an edited version. We had some dancing on the bus, it was wonderful.”
As someone who has watched a lot of Syracuse basketball this year, their regular season statistics are a little deceiving. They had a 4 game stretch, excluding a bad Depaul team, to end the season where they were completely lost on offense and no one could make a jump shot to save their life. They went from a potential #2 seed to a hopeful #4/5 seed.
Fast forward to the BET and NCAA tournament, Cuse has been a different team. MCW has been more focused on running the offense as opposed to taking ill advised shots. Triche and MCW have also made a concerted effort to help out with defensive rebounding which has always been a problem for Syracuse. Perhaps akin to McGary's breakout, BMK has been a revelation defensively, on the offensive boards, and surprisingly at the FT line.
I still think Michigan has too many weapons on offense. While Syracuse's offense is looking much more composed, they still struggle to score points at times. I think Michigan pulls out a win on Saturday.
Many of the commenters on this board seem skeptical that Syracuse is for real. If Syracuse plays like they did in February then, yeah, the game might not be close. You are absolutely right, though, that SU's play since the start of the Big East tourney has been entirely different. Impressive wins against several good teams, many of them the same teams that had beaten them badly just weeks before.
They have good play at PG, senior leadership, a tough defense. I expect a close game. Syracuse will probably not put up big numbers on office, but they generally don't need to. The win vs. Marquette said a lot. Marquette has been a tough opponent for SU, both in Big East play and in the NCAA tourney a couple years back. They know the zone and have had success against it. Yet, they were completely shut down. Syracuse is simply playing better than before (and before includes a win at Louisville).
So if Syracuse wears their highlighter orange jerseys, this could possibly be one of the brightest games of the season.
You pretty much have SU pegged on offense - weak half court game, so if Michigan is scoring / not turning the ball over, advantage Michigan. Comes down to 3 things for Michigan offense - 1.) Penetration by Trey Burke - 2.) High Post offense - can McGary hit the mid range jumper or pass effectively ? 3.) 3 Point shooting - been to enough SU games to see a shooter make 5 - 8 3 pointers a game and really open it up. Hopefully a good game Saturday nite, & hope your prediction is off by 2 points, and I do not mean for a 3 point win by Michigan ! Good luck !
This might sound crazy, but when the Syracuse Center traps on the baseline, he takes a very wide stance to block the baseline. This creates an untraditional passing lane that will no doubt be open and unexpected. Don't take my word for it, Ginobli and Nash agree with me...
Either Michigan's offense figures out Cuse's defense and we roll over Cuse's mediocre offense or we come out cold / Syracuse's zone baffles us and we get smoked a la Marquette
...however, I do tentatively agree with MichiganArrogance above. Syracuse's team plays into our strengths. I do hope everyone keeps touting Syracuse's amazing defense because you know what Bacari sez "You gotta play with a chip on your shoulder"
is that he's one of the more overrated players in the Big East. He's a decent facilitator, but relies on others to get production. I would compare him to Florida's backcourt in that he gets a lot out of his talent, but he's not in the same solar system as Burke.
Burke will get his shots off (Siva couldn't shoot an NBA three if you held a gun to his head); question is whether he can be effecient and facilitate.
Even if I sleep in until 9, what the heck am I going to do for 12 hours before this game starts. Going to be a long day!
I tend to agree with posters predicting a 10+ point victory. This team has too much offensive mojo to be beaten by mere defense. You need to score a lot of points to beat Michigan, and I don't see that happening for SU. Go Blue!
Which is good, for the most part, but taking Syracuse lightly is a mistake. This team was a 1 or 2 seed before the Southerland suspension that derailed their offense. They have a coach that is 9-0 all time against Beilein's teams (WVU ran the same 1-3-1 and Orange offenses NEVER struggled to beat it).
Syracuse has held tourney foes to 15% shooting from 3pt. Yes, Cal and Marquette are severely limited from the arc but IU and Montana are not (don't forget plenty of people thought Montana would get open looks to keep it close or win outright).
Syracuse is a 4-seed that has gotten back to what makes them a good team. The same is happening with Michigan, of course. The key to this game is - without a doubt - exposing the middle of the zone and getting open shots from the elbow or feeding the post from that spot. That's how you beat the Syracuse version of a 2-3. Simply shooting 3's will not cut it, unless Michigan can knock down 15-20 of those.
Boeheim LOVES it when opponents come out and hit their first 3-4 long range attempts - he figures it means players (young players especially) will fall in love with that shot and go back to it far too often. I think Michigan needs to stay calm and execute a gameplan that involves penetration to 15 feet and quick dishes. Hit the open 3 from the corner (there will be plenty of those) instead of launching over MCW and Triche.
If it's a close game in the last 3 minutes, I like Michigan to outplay Syracuse - Burke and Hardaway Jr. are superior decision makers, especially when you look at some stupid decisions Triche can make in tight spots. Free throw shooting will be a factor, and the Orange are terrible there.
Otherwise, if the Wolverines are launching threes and relying solely on Burke to create for himself, it's going to be a very long night. Do not understimate this defense - it is the best this team will face all season, bar none.
I'd feel much better about this game if not for the trouncing they gave IU. IU ws never in that game and looked incredibly flustered by that defense. IU is a more efficient offense than ours, has better three-point shooters, and has a better, taller big man in the center. The only thing we have on them is Burke. I won't be surprised if our offense looks awful and we get trounced and I won't be surprised if we bomb away from three and beat them by twenty, I really have no idea what to expect from this game.
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