David Brandon: "I Suggest You Find A New Team" Comment Count

Brian

Ace Anbender contributed to this report.

A few weeks ago, one of our users posted a fuzzy picture of an email purporting to be from one David Brandon:

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We were already trying to confirm or dis-confirm the authenticity of this when Keith Olbermann's show presented it as a fact we're reporting. At that point we had to either confirm it or repudiate it. We've done our best to do so.

We are now reporting this is authentic.

This kind of thing is of course forgeable, but I let it stand because it felt like something Brandon would do. I know this because over the past few years about two dozen people have forwarded me conversations with Brandon ranging from polite enough to the above. 

While the message board thread had a number of details off due to the hand-me-down nature of the information, Ace tracked down the original source of the emails, confirmed his identity over the phone and on Facebook, and got the original. I believe this to be real.

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I asked the hivemind for help with confirming that the email was genuine. What followed was a primer on spoofing that led to one inescapable conclusion: nothing is 100% guaranteed. However, you can look at email headers and GMail histories and rule out all but extremely sophisticated forgeries.

This is where a second emailer comes in. Around the same time Brandon is alleged to have fired off the email above, he shot off another after receiving a short rant about how Al Borges was bad and should feel bad:

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This woman's husband forwarded a much longer exchange with Brandon he had afterward. This ended with the assertion that "you may need more luck than our football team" to deal with his wife.

It also provided a larger body of information to evaluate. I ran it by a couple people intimately familiar with not just email in general but GMail specifically. The results:

The short of it is that the headers check out but there's no way to be 100% sure unless you know for sure the assumptions below are true. The smoking gun is indeed the back and forth GMail thread, that's just not possible unless fabricated by the recipient which we don't think it is (details on why below).

Assumptions

  • Dave Brandon uses a GMail/Google Apps web client (versus say, a desktop client)
  • [email protected] was not hacked and being accessed by an unauthorized third party
  • Neither a 3rd party or the recipients know the specific Google Apps servers for umich.edu's domain
  • The document with the thread between Dave Brandon and the sender was not fabricated

Details

  • The sender's headers appear consistent and indicate authenticity—however, a single email header is insufficient to prove authenticity
  • GMail automatically detects spoofed Gmails and Google Apps addresses—user(s) would have received a warning
  • Replies to spoofed email addresses will go to the real email address—the sender's emails were getting to [email protected] and being responded to.
  • GMail uses signatures in headers to group threads together. Spoofed emails with the same subject aren't put into threads—the back and forth thread is the strongest proof that the emails are authentic. 
  • The back-and-forth thread does not appear to be a forgery—the spacing, elements, and little details (such as "mgoblog.com" being in purple because it's a previously visited address for the user) all seem to check out. 

The longer thread looks authentic beyond reasonable doubt.

    Since the original email is discussed repeatedly in the longer thread, that seems certainly true.
    A second opinion from a professional in the field links the two emails together:

    We have two separate emails that claim to be sent from DB with the same mail server in the header and the same SMTP address. I'm wholly convinced that neither are forged if these are indeed from 2 different people that couldn't have colluded.

    The independent reports I've gotten over the last two years rules out a hack. Dave Brandon has on many, many occasions sent out emails of this nature in his tenure. People have forwarded me nice notes and not-nice notes; it is beyond a reasonable doubt these are authentic.
    Here are more interactions between fans and Dave Brandon provided to me.

"Quit Drinking And Go To Bed"

Another exchange around the time of Brandon's blog in support of Brady Hoke, featuring "quit drinking," class assertions, more ticket threatening.

Dave,

We are sick of all the talk, excuses, and most importantly the losses. You throwing Coach Rodriguez under the bus like you have this week was an embarrassment to the University and more importantly a big cheap shot on all of the players from his classes. Would you classify the game today as "big-boy football?" Would you consider Urban Meyer's offense "big-boy football?" Was that poor excuse of a defense today playing "big-boy football?" Not only was this season an embarrassment to this University, but your conduct over this past week puts a further black eye on this season and has no place at Michigan.  Michigan is now truly a middle of the road Big Ten team and we have you (not Rich Rodriguez) to thank for that.

BRANDON: Quit drinking and go to bed.

Thanks for the classy response. You may have just lost another season ticket holder.

BRANDON: Getting advice from you on what constitutes a classy email is really a joke.

Good luck!

Dave

Dave,

With all due respect, please explain to me what was wrong with my original email? Did I say anything that offended you or that wasn't true?  All I did was reference points that you used in your media tour last week.  When you go out into the public like you did, do you not expect some backlash? To accuse me of drinking is laughable coming from someone in your position. As I have been reading from various writers, I hope you have extreme concern that the 100,000 attendance streak is in real jeopardy. We just want to win and us fans don't necessarily appreciate seeing you on tv and in the newspapers every other day.

BRANDON: I don't believe you know what "due respect" is....

You sent a snarky, negative article at 11:58 PM the night of a very disappointing loss....telling me what "we" are sick of!  I didn't know you had been elected to represent anyone. I don't know who you are....and I really don't care about your views based on "what you read."  And, I don't accept you as a representative of anyone other than yourself.

For you to point out that "we just want to win" is really profound.  Do you think our kids and coaches don't want to win?  Do you think I don't want to win?  Really????

I don't know what you do for a living...but if you want to be an athletic director....go for it.  If you want to be a coach...go for it. 

As it relates to seeing me on TV or in newspapers....I have no idea what you are talking about.  I don't know or care about that stuff....apparently, you do.  You really should get a different hobby!

I will let the ticket office know of your decision to give up your seats.  I am sure we can use your email address to locate your file.  I am sure you will be much happier....because clearly your anger and frustration over our disappointing season has gotten the best of you.

It's too bad...if you got to know our kids and coaches, you would likely enjoy supporting them even when times are tough.  They are quality people who care a lot about Michigan.  Their efforts, sacrifices and commitment goes beyond putting go blue in their email address and pretending to be a loyal fan - they stay positive and continue to fight even when people like you attack them and the outcome of their efforts.

I wish you well....and I hope you find a team to support that wins every game and every season is a complete success.   

Dave

"I Am Sorry You Are 'Upset'"

This was posted as a diary in September by the emailer himself over a year after he'd emailed me and asked me to keep the exchange private. This is the key section and is verbatim from the email he provided me in 2013:

[My first name],
I received your message and I am sorry you are "upset" over a noodle.
Clearly, this is a very troubling matter for you.
Perhaps the lesson here is for you to be careful not to believe everything you read. There was an event at the Stadium Friday and this promotional piece was included.  It was removed at the conclusion of the event.
I suggest you relax and enjoy the football game today!
Go Blue!!
Dave

His response:

Dear Mr. Brandon,

Thank you for your timely response. I am not upset about a noodle, however, but about the possibility of advertising in Michigan Stadium on game days now and in the future.

I suggest that you drop the condescending tone.

Go Blue!

Brandon:

Thanks for your very helpful input!!

Much appreciated!!

Dave

"Thank you so very much… incredible insight"

In response to a guy advocating against Les Miles for breaking oversigning rules, eating grass, and clapping annoyingly, ending with

Mr. Brandon likes to refer to Michigan football as a "brand." Though I would strongly suggest he stop using this term immediately (academia is not Corporate America, nor is UM football a pizza that tastes like cardboard), I'd also implore him to compare Les Miles' behavior with the "brand" he's trying to protect.

Brandon's response:

Mr. Smith,

As you are helping define the difference between academia and Corporate America for President Coleman and me (thank you so very much….incredible insight!) you inaccurately stated my reference to branding at the University.  I have never referred to Michigan Football is a “brand”….because it is not.  I have referred to the “Block M” as a brand….because it is!

Michigan Football is one of the many ways we build our brand at Michigan…as do the rest of our athletic programs, our health system, our academic units, and just about everything else we do at the University.

If this troubles you….I am sorry.  However, it won’t change the fact that our Block M is one of the most recognized global brands in higher education…and I would think anyone with an email address of “UM Alum” would understand the power of that!

Go Blue!  And, thanks for providing your deep research on Coach Miles.

Dave

What about FOIA?

I have been informed that Michigan erases Brandon's email regularly to prevent responsive requests by a person who worked in the athletic department for three years.

A FOIA request for an email sent or received by Dave Brandon would end up going to his secretary. If the date of the email is given, his secretary would not even need to look to see if the email exists. All of Dave Brandon's emails are manually deleted from his university email once they are about one month old. They have been since he started. Since it is done manually, sometimes it's actually a little later, sometimes it is a little sooner, especially if the email is something that may be FOIAed.

But it was explained to me that the whole point is to avoid responding to a FOIA request (like this one). I've been following this email/FOIA issue, and after I spoke with one of my friends in the athletic department, we agreed that we would be shocked if that email still existed in his email, even if it did exist at one time.

This is why a specific request filed by an MGoBlog member turned up nothing. I have two FOIAs in with the department currently, one for six days of mail to and from two email addresses, the other for [email protected] and [email protected] dating back to January 1st of 2013. The department wants to charge me $385 for the first request and $1215 for the second—if those are at all proportional than there's approximately three weeks of email sitting there.

Is this legal? Our local law-talker BISB weighs in:

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If a state employee (such as, for random example, a University Athletic Director) deleted email exchanges, he was probably in violation of Michigan's FOIA law. Emails sent by an employee in the course of his official function are considered public records. The University of Michigan, and its employees, have an affirmative obligation to maintain public records:

MCL 15.233(3): "A public body shall protect public records from loss, unauthorized alteration, mutilation, or destruction."

That duty extends to the individual employees. Intentionally deleting emails as a means of preventing them from being FOIAed would be a violation of MCL 15.240(7):

"If the circuit court determines... that the public body has arbitrarily and capriciously violated this Act by refusal or delay in disclosing or providing copies of a public record, the court shall award, in addition to any actual or compensatory damages, punitive damages in the amount of $500.00 to the person seeking the right to inspect or receive a copy of a public record."

"Capricious and arbitrary" essentially means without cause and in an abuse of power. The University of Michigan is the one subject to the penalty, but the employee is the one who committed the violation.

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Since the punishment is so paltry, Michigan doesn't seem to care.

Documents

The recipients of these emails are private citizens who would like to remain such so I've blacked out their email addresses. All else is as received. There are links to the originals in every section; here they are in a group.

"We will be fine without you"

"Have A Happy Life"

Longer exchange 1

Longer exchange 2

Longer exchange 3

Quit Drinking 1

Quit Drinking 2

Quit Drinking 3

Les Miles

I'm sorry you are 'upset'

Comments

ak47

October 28th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

Yeah I don't like Dave Brandon and think he should be fired but those email exchanges are not why.  Obviously as an AD he should have more self control but there is nothing more annoying than the people who send those emails and what they contain.

ak47

October 28th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^

I'm just saying if this does get picked up by national media and people read the email chains most of them are probably going to side with Brandon because everyone that has ever had to deal with people like that wishes they could respond like Brandon did. Nobody else in the country cares about a noodle outside of michigan stadium and they will just think Brandons response is funny.  Not really the best representation of why he needs to go for people who don't know the situation well.

ak47

October 28th, 2014 at 12:44 PM ^

I'm just saying if this does get picked up by national media and people read the email chains most of them are probably going to side with Brandon because everyone that has ever had to deal with people like that wishes they could respond like Brandon did. Nobody else in the country cares about a noodle outside of michigan stadium and they will just think Brandons response is funny.  Not really the best representation of why he needs to go for people who don't know the situation well.

93Grad

October 28th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

I am not really surprised that DB is a snarky douche.  Of course he should be above such snarky douchery as the AD for Michigan, but it is not surprising that he is not.   And frankly if he had hired Miles or Harbaugh or Kept RR 4 years ago and we were fighting for a conference championship this year, I wouldn't really care. 

taistreetsmyhero

October 28th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

I actually have more respect for brandon now knowing that he really does takes the time to address these emails personally. i already knew he can be a dick, but at least he's not a corporate machine.

now, obviously these responses are unreasonable from an AD, but it's nice to know that my sometimes off-the-cuff remarks won't exclude me from ever holding a position of relatively large influence.

My name ... is Tim

October 28th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^

This sort of reminds me of the Skip Bayless-Richard Sherman throwdown. It seems like everyone involved in these e-mail exchanges is losing.

There were a few e-mails from fans/alumni that were predominately appropriate, but a lot of those seemed a little unhinged. The idea of sending a flamer e-mail to the AD after your team loses is not going to engender any sympathy from me when it is met with a trolling response. I think a well-articulated plea relating to general state of affairs of the department and team are fine - i.e. the guy addressing noodle-gate, etc. - but firing off an e-mail saying, "This team needs a change!" or "Fire Borges!" is really kind of pathetic to me.

That said, the people sending those e-mails aren't in a position to protect and enhance something we all love and support - Michigan football. So I am more alarmed by the fact that Brandon feels the need to engage in this kind of back and forth. The fact that he seems to fail to differentiate between the trolls and those with legitimate, well-articulated gripes is not exactly confidence inspiring.

Chunks the Hobo

October 28th, 2014 at 12:50 PM ^

For me the real telling part is where he deflects legitimate concerns into strawmen, which totally fits with the whole department's pattern of responding to things like the skywriting, etc. E.g., pretending emailers are bashing the students (not the coaches or general direction of the team) or are upset over "noodles" (not the possibility of advertising creeping in to further degrade the stadium experience).

Whatever that ingrained reflex says about Dave Brandon, it isn't good.

pearlw

October 28th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^

Lets also remember that the WD email was supposedly from the prior weekend. That is part of the reason there was skepticism as it was unbelievable that DB would write this during the firestorm...even thought it was acknowledged by all that DB had done this before. It turned out to be from 2013 as Ace eventually edited WD's post...not exactly what was represented in WD's post.


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Abe Froman

October 28th, 2014 at 12:17 PM ^

If this is true, and President Schlissel continues to hesiate on action, I think it would be legitimate to begin calling for a new president as well.

Brian, is it incorrect to assume that the POTUM has the ability to access these emails/records that your FOIA requests could not?  Or is everything truly "destroyed" for the case of plausible deniability?

 

My name ... is Tim

October 28th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

I am as obsessed with Michigan football as everybody else on this board, but if President Schlissel doesn't fire Dave Brandon because he sent some snarky e-mails to people (half of whom were being snarky themselves) that is not a good reason to fire the University president. I have far too much respect for the University as an academic institution to ever make that leap. Do you know how absurd that would make the school look? We'd be no better than Florida State, whose football team clearly runs the show at their school, greatly hindering their academic perception across the country.

Sorry, I'm as frustrated as you are, and am not exactly confident in Schlissel's ability to handle this football situation, but if he was hired to make Michigan the best school it can be, I'm not jeopardizing the integrity, academic reputation of the school and overall health of the university by calling for his head after 2 months on the job because the Athletic Director might send e-mails like a petulant teenage girl occasionally.

Abe Froman

October 28th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

That's not exactly my logic here, but I do understand your point and agree that there are MUCH more important isses facing our University than football.

 

My concern is that Schlissel was hired to lead, and early on we have a Director who is making not just a few snarky emails but rather a littany of failures.  The emails serve as damning evidence to a world when often many mistakes and miscues are covered up as mere "miscommunications."

 

Dave Brandon has now failed the University of Michigan as the leader of the Athletic Department.  Sad but true.  Schlissel's job as leader of the overall University is to make corrections to empower departments to succeed.  It is fair to call his leadship skills into question if he, too, fails to empower the athletic department to succeed (by not removing Brandon).

 

And yes, I would feel this was regardless if it was the Athletic or Chemistry department that was being continuosly mismanaged.

 

 

LSI Wolverine

October 28th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

Uh calling for Schlissel's head would be a bit of an overreaction at this point. He's been on the job for literally 3 months. The athletic department is but one of the many departments he oversees and is not even the most important. How he handles the hospital system and academic departments are far more important issues for him to be concerned about. The whole point of having an athletic director (or any department head for that matter) is that the president doesn't need to get involved in day to day operations.

Having said that, I do think it's important that POTUM take action and terminate DB's employment. Doing that will take time though as he need's to make sure that the University's ass is covered legally from the frivelous lawsuits DB the DB would be likely to throw his way. Timing is going to be important, but given the high profile nature of the position itself and all of the controversies that have brought us to this point, I'd rather that Schlissel take a reasoned and responsible approach. There's still 4 weeks left in the season and our dream HC candidates won't be available until January anyway. Sam Webb nailed it yesterday when he talked about how the timelines shift with losses like Saturday because it has made the review of Hoke's job easier. In light of all that, POTUM still has a few weeks before he needs to drop the hammer on Brandon and he'll still have a month and a half to hire the new AD.

In short, FIRE BRANDON and GO BLUE.

JeffDC

October 28th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^

1. This seems fairly seriousy.  Did Brian just stick a fork in Brandon?

2. It's always the cover-up.

3. If a bunch of people started requesting emails that had been destroyed, would they all be entitled to $500?  

 

eschaton811ydau

October 28th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

This is why we love your website Brian. Thank you.

 

I need to retract a previous comment of mine (yesterday) regarding WD. I said "There are two places that the email could exist, if real. Brandon's sent mailbox and alleged recipient's inbox. Since the kid immediately started backtracking instead of trying to get the other piece of proof, its clear he's just an unhinged fan that decided to make shit up."

 

I incorrectly deduced that Brian looking for help in verifying the email, followed by the FOIA response, followed by WD claiming he was "duped"  - meant that Brian was not able to verify and WD was trying to save face. Sorry WD, you didn't deserve to be attacked personally. I hope that these events have not dissuaded you from pursuing a career in journalism. 

Icehole Woody

October 28th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^

This guy has no buisness being Michigan's athletic director.  He should be fired for cause.  The cause being he's a dick and is an embarrassment to the University.  Use the money from the buyout Brandon does not get to help pay Harbaugh.  He aught to like that.

DCmissingAnnArbor

October 28th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

I have to admit, as unprofessional and out of line as his responses are, I loved all of his responses in the "quit drinking and go to bed" email chain. Again, totally unprofessional, and if I did it in my job I'd be FIRED... but man do I agree with everything he said there.

MainStreetMagic

October 28th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

Dave Brandon needs to go. 

But holy shit to we have some annoying fans.  Most of those emails deserved every bit of the snark in Dave Brandon's responses, even if it wasn't the most professional thing to do. 

gwkrlghl

October 28th, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^

I'd bet every AD in the country gets crap emails like this after every loss demanding to fire Coach X. At least our tirades probably have significantly less spelling and grammatical errors than the slew of emails whoever the AD for Ole Miss is gets

Ray

October 28th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

Hard to see how Brandon survives this.  Even if Schlissel wanted to keep him, what a PR blunder.  Never make it hard for your boss to support or defend you--especially by emailing gratuitous snark like this.  And Brandon's managed to breach Canham's dictum of "1 day" to the tune of  "4 weeks."  If Schlissel doesn't act now it will start to reflect pretty badly on him.

FieldingBLUE

October 28th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

This is the standard attitude to customers of any high-ranking corporate director, let alone CEO. 

What this does is further my belief that Dave Brandon answers to his stakeholders (rich alumni / donors) and his board (university president / regents) with very little regard for those paeans who are the ones buying the product. Whether it be pizza or posters, breadsticks or ballcaps, sandwiches or season tickets, Dave Brandon sees the fans as less than human. We are a data point on a corporate P&L, nothing more, nothing less.

It's also appalling to see DB (initials very suiting of course) stick his nose up in the air to the degree of making clear distinctions between fans of the football team and alums of the university.

As an alum, I've always advocated a big tent. Despite how many alums our fine university has, you don't fill a stadium of 110k+ every gameday without the broader appeal of fans who didn't attend school there.

DB was an arrogant prick before these came to light, and he will continue to be long afterward.

It's too bad that we think the corporate style of top-down management was appropriate for an athletic department built from the bottom-up, in that the least-attended sport's student-athlete and the last fan on the bandwagon (which is sparse these days) are where we should be judging ourselves.

Ugh. Dave Brandon is the face of DB, not the face of Michigan athletics. 

Njia

October 28th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

There are really different conclusions to draw here:

From the standpoint of the email authenticity investigation, what was proven here - that DB is a db, conclusively? I'd say there was plenty of a priori circumstantial evidence. It looks like several people have gone a long way to demonstrate what most of us probably thought was obvious in the first place. But, I suppose there's some merit to have it more or less proven.

In terms of DB himself, I can't imagine that a seasoned executive is so incredibly petty in his answers. Good on him for answering emails himself, but for f-ck's sake, a simple "Thank you for your interest in Michigan Athletics" would have been his best response. Or why even bother answering? The psychology of this guy could be the stuff of its own research. It's not egomania, at least not in the sense that most people would understand it. More like a guy who desperately wants to be right all the time and have the last word.

MGoMort

October 28th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

Curious if knowingly violating the FOIA policy would be grounds for justifyable termination? Obviously a win for the university to avoid a costly buyout...

 

BlueinLansing

October 28th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

DB walks with the "new conservative" crowd and is very well connected, I hope Brian understands there will be push back of some kind in his life that won't be pleasant.

Making enemies is one thing, making enemies of people who desire power by any means is another ball game altogether.

 

Bet of luck Brian.

 

 

ST3

October 28th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

Might I suggest a trip to the Beveled Guilt tab for anyone who approves of Brian's work? This type of investigative journalism isn't cheap. Additionally, it's possible Brandon or his minions will retaliate with frivolous lawsuits that Brian will have to deal with.

KSmooth

October 28th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

At the risk of getting political (I'll risk the negs)

Conservatives are no more power hungry than followers of any other ideology, and are perfectly capable of throwing one of their own overboard when he becomes too much of a liability.  Brandon is getting to that point where he is too much of an embarassment.  It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP members of the Board of Regents start distancing themselves from Brandon before too long.

At this stage I think Brandon has more to worry about than Brian does.