David Brandon: "I Suggest You Find A New Team" Comment Count

Brian

Ace Anbender contributed to this report.

A few weeks ago, one of our users posted a fuzzy picture of an email purporting to be from one David Brandon:

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We were already trying to confirm or dis-confirm the authenticity of this when Keith Olbermann's show presented it as a fact we're reporting. At that point we had to either confirm it or repudiate it. We've done our best to do so.

We are now reporting this is authentic.

This kind of thing is of course forgeable, but I let it stand because it felt like something Brandon would do. I know this because over the past few years about two dozen people have forwarded me conversations with Brandon ranging from polite enough to the above. 

While the message board thread had a number of details off due to the hand-me-down nature of the information, Ace tracked down the original source of the emails, confirmed his identity over the phone and on Facebook, and got the original. I believe this to be real.

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I asked the hivemind for help with confirming that the email was genuine. What followed was a primer on spoofing that led to one inescapable conclusion: nothing is 100% guaranteed. However, you can look at email headers and GMail histories and rule out all but extremely sophisticated forgeries.

This is where a second emailer comes in. Around the same time Brandon is alleged to have fired off the email above, he shot off another after receiving a short rant about how Al Borges was bad and should feel bad:

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This woman's husband forwarded a much longer exchange with Brandon he had afterward. This ended with the assertion that "you may need more luck than our football team" to deal with his wife.

It also provided a larger body of information to evaluate. I ran it by a couple people intimately familiar with not just email in general but GMail specifically. The results:

The short of it is that the headers check out but there's no way to be 100% sure unless you know for sure the assumptions below are true. The smoking gun is indeed the back and forth GMail thread, that's just not possible unless fabricated by the recipient which we don't think it is (details on why below).

Assumptions

  • Dave Brandon uses a GMail/Google Apps web client (versus say, a desktop client)
  • [email protected] was not hacked and being accessed by an unauthorized third party
  • Neither a 3rd party or the recipients know the specific Google Apps servers for umich.edu's domain
  • The document with the thread between Dave Brandon and the sender was not fabricated

Details

  • The sender's headers appear consistent and indicate authenticity—however, a single email header is insufficient to prove authenticity
  • GMail automatically detects spoofed Gmails and Google Apps addresses—user(s) would have received a warning
  • Replies to spoofed email addresses will go to the real email address—the sender's emails were getting to [email protected] and being responded to.
  • GMail uses signatures in headers to group threads together. Spoofed emails with the same subject aren't put into threads—the back and forth thread is the strongest proof that the emails are authentic. 
  • The back-and-forth thread does not appear to be a forgery—the spacing, elements, and little details (such as "mgoblog.com" being in purple because it's a previously visited address for the user) all seem to check out. 

The longer thread looks authentic beyond reasonable doubt.

    Since the original email is discussed repeatedly in the longer thread, that seems certainly true.
    A second opinion from a professional in the field links the two emails together:

    We have two separate emails that claim to be sent from DB with the same mail server in the header and the same SMTP address. I'm wholly convinced that neither are forged if these are indeed from 2 different people that couldn't have colluded.

    The independent reports I've gotten over the last two years rules out a hack. Dave Brandon has on many, many occasions sent out emails of this nature in his tenure. People have forwarded me nice notes and not-nice notes; it is beyond a reasonable doubt these are authentic.
    Here are more interactions between fans and Dave Brandon provided to me.

"Quit Drinking And Go To Bed"

Another exchange around the time of Brandon's blog in support of Brady Hoke, featuring "quit drinking," class assertions, more ticket threatening.

Dave,

We are sick of all the talk, excuses, and most importantly the losses. You throwing Coach Rodriguez under the bus like you have this week was an embarrassment to the University and more importantly a big cheap shot on all of the players from his classes. Would you classify the game today as "big-boy football?" Would you consider Urban Meyer's offense "big-boy football?" Was that poor excuse of a defense today playing "big-boy football?" Not only was this season an embarrassment to this University, but your conduct over this past week puts a further black eye on this season and has no place at Michigan.  Michigan is now truly a middle of the road Big Ten team and we have you (not Rich Rodriguez) to thank for that.

BRANDON: Quit drinking and go to bed.

Thanks for the classy response. You may have just lost another season ticket holder.

BRANDON: Getting advice from you on what constitutes a classy email is really a joke.

Good luck!

Dave

Dave,

With all due respect, please explain to me what was wrong with my original email? Did I say anything that offended you or that wasn't true?  All I did was reference points that you used in your media tour last week.  When you go out into the public like you did, do you not expect some backlash? To accuse me of drinking is laughable coming from someone in your position. As I have been reading from various writers, I hope you have extreme concern that the 100,000 attendance streak is in real jeopardy. We just want to win and us fans don't necessarily appreciate seeing you on tv and in the newspapers every other day.

BRANDON: I don't believe you know what "due respect" is....

You sent a snarky, negative article at 11:58 PM the night of a very disappointing loss....telling me what "we" are sick of!  I didn't know you had been elected to represent anyone. I don't know who you are....and I really don't care about your views based on "what you read."  And, I don't accept you as a representative of anyone other than yourself.

For you to point out that "we just want to win" is really profound.  Do you think our kids and coaches don't want to win?  Do you think I don't want to win?  Really????

I don't know what you do for a living...but if you want to be an athletic director....go for it.  If you want to be a coach...go for it. 

As it relates to seeing me on TV or in newspapers....I have no idea what you are talking about.  I don't know or care about that stuff....apparently, you do.  You really should get a different hobby!

I will let the ticket office know of your decision to give up your seats.  I am sure we can use your email address to locate your file.  I am sure you will be much happier....because clearly your anger and frustration over our disappointing season has gotten the best of you.

It's too bad...if you got to know our kids and coaches, you would likely enjoy supporting them even when times are tough.  They are quality people who care a lot about Michigan.  Their efforts, sacrifices and commitment goes beyond putting go blue in their email address and pretending to be a loyal fan - they stay positive and continue to fight even when people like you attack them and the outcome of their efforts.

I wish you well....and I hope you find a team to support that wins every game and every season is a complete success.   

Dave

"I Am Sorry You Are 'Upset'"

This was posted as a diary in September by the emailer himself over a year after he'd emailed me and asked me to keep the exchange private. This is the key section and is verbatim from the email he provided me in 2013:

[My first name],
I received your message and I am sorry you are "upset" over a noodle.
Clearly, this is a very troubling matter for you.
Perhaps the lesson here is for you to be careful not to believe everything you read. There was an event at the Stadium Friday and this promotional piece was included.  It was removed at the conclusion of the event.
I suggest you relax and enjoy the football game today!
Go Blue!!
Dave

His response:

Dear Mr. Brandon,

Thank you for your timely response. I am not upset about a noodle, however, but about the possibility of advertising in Michigan Stadium on game days now and in the future.

I suggest that you drop the condescending tone.

Go Blue!

Brandon:

Thanks for your very helpful input!!

Much appreciated!!

Dave

"Thank you so very much… incredible insight"

In response to a guy advocating against Les Miles for breaking oversigning rules, eating grass, and clapping annoyingly, ending with

Mr. Brandon likes to refer to Michigan football as a "brand." Though I would strongly suggest he stop using this term immediately (academia is not Corporate America, nor is UM football a pizza that tastes like cardboard), I'd also implore him to compare Les Miles' behavior with the "brand" he's trying to protect.

Brandon's response:

Mr. Smith,

As you are helping define the difference between academia and Corporate America for President Coleman and me (thank you so very much….incredible insight!) you inaccurately stated my reference to branding at the University.  I have never referred to Michigan Football is a “brand”….because it is not.  I have referred to the “Block M” as a brand….because it is!

Michigan Football is one of the many ways we build our brand at Michigan…as do the rest of our athletic programs, our health system, our academic units, and just about everything else we do at the University.

If this troubles you….I am sorry.  However, it won’t change the fact that our Block M is one of the most recognized global brands in higher education…and I would think anyone with an email address of “UM Alum” would understand the power of that!

Go Blue!  And, thanks for providing your deep research on Coach Miles.

Dave

What about FOIA?

I have been informed that Michigan erases Brandon's email regularly to prevent responsive requests by a person who worked in the athletic department for three years.

A FOIA request for an email sent or received by Dave Brandon would end up going to his secretary. If the date of the email is given, his secretary would not even need to look to see if the email exists. All of Dave Brandon's emails are manually deleted from his university email once they are about one month old. They have been since he started. Since it is done manually, sometimes it's actually a little later, sometimes it is a little sooner, especially if the email is something that may be FOIAed.

But it was explained to me that the whole point is to avoid responding to a FOIA request (like this one). I've been following this email/FOIA issue, and after I spoke with one of my friends in the athletic department, we agreed that we would be shocked if that email still existed in his email, even if it did exist at one time.

This is why a specific request filed by an MGoBlog member turned up nothing. I have two FOIAs in with the department currently, one for six days of mail to and from two email addresses, the other for [email protected] and [email protected] dating back to January 1st of 2013. The department wants to charge me $385 for the first request and $1215 for the second—if those are at all proportional than there's approximately three weeks of email sitting there.

Is this legal? Our local law-talker BISB weighs in:

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If a state employee (such as, for random example, a University Athletic Director) deleted email exchanges, he was probably in violation of Michigan's FOIA law. Emails sent by an employee in the course of his official function are considered public records. The University of Michigan, and its employees, have an affirmative obligation to maintain public records:

MCL 15.233(3): "A public body shall protect public records from loss, unauthorized alteration, mutilation, or destruction."

That duty extends to the individual employees. Intentionally deleting emails as a means of preventing them from being FOIAed would be a violation of MCL 15.240(7):

"If the circuit court determines... that the public body has arbitrarily and capriciously violated this Act by refusal or delay in disclosing or providing copies of a public record, the court shall award, in addition to any actual or compensatory damages, punitive damages in the amount of $500.00 to the person seeking the right to inspect or receive a copy of a public record."

"Capricious and arbitrary" essentially means without cause and in an abuse of power. The University of Michigan is the one subject to the penalty, but the employee is the one who committed the violation.

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Since the punishment is so paltry, Michigan doesn't seem to care.

Documents

The recipients of these emails are private citizens who would like to remain such so I've blacked out their email addresses. All else is as received. There are links to the originals in every section; here they are in a group.

"We will be fine without you"

"Have A Happy Life"

Longer exchange 1

Longer exchange 2

Longer exchange 3

Quit Drinking 1

Quit Drinking 2

Quit Drinking 3

Les Miles

I'm sorry you are 'upset'

Comments

Wendyk5

October 28th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

These are scathing emails. I'm dumbfounded that the leader and keeper of the Michigan Man brand would feel comfortable to -  not just once but repeatedly - respond to a fan in this way. I meant no direspect to MGoBlog's efforts, it's just that I want to be 100% sure - and not any less - that Dave Brandon is being skewered for the right reasons. 

Muttley

October 28th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

Leaving partisanship aside, in news of the highest profile--a Presidential election--he and Martha Mapes reported that a 1973 document copy was authentic.  The document  was quickly recognized by the typography experts out on the internets to be a forgery created with Microsoft Word default settings.

I.e., CBS did NOT do what Brian did.

 

MikeCohodes

October 28th, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^

Seriously, Pres Schliss can't delay the firing any longer now that this is out there, right?

Also, a LOT of users on here owe Wolverine Devotee a massive apology.

Brian & Ace - thanks for all the great work in tracking this down and posting this! Let this be the final nail in DB's coffin.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 28th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^

Also, how much you wanna bet Olbermann or ESPN doesn't pick this up now that it actually has some substance beind it?

And, for anybody who has worked in an athletic department, do ADs normally respond to irritating fans in this way?  I.e. is this getting published going to scare away AD candidates becuase they all do it?  Or is this just a Brandon thing?

marcota

October 28th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^

john u bacon just ran a national article with a cited email exchange that already showed DB as an asshole. nothing further came of it. as pointed above, national media members already ran with this exchange before it was proved and it subsequently died. everyone has accepted he is an asshole. there is literally no point to this "verification" (used loosely because the verifying is long in opinion and not fact) because it has no impact outside of this blog. was anyone from the outside world questioning mgoblog's ethics in reporting? hot damn i want DB, and hoke, fired ASAP but this regurgitation of nonsense and irrelevance is starting to make me believe that this place is out of touch with reality and treading into the insane/obsessed territory where rational and logical thought is condemned if it doesn't fit the pandering narrative of the masses. holy shit.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 28th, 2014 at 12:47 PM ^

Frankly, any 'journalist' that ran with the e-mail initially, before any ounce of investigation into its voracity, is an idiot. And do you believe any news you hear anywhere? Because in you opinion, that is all opinion and little fact as well. As readers we put faith into a journalist that they are not lying. Yes, some do, and some make honest mistakes. But if Brian says he had someone from Gmail look at the e-mail chains and give an expert opinion that (at least one) is authentic beyond a reasonable doubt, then I assume he is flat lying about it getting third party verification.


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marcota

October 28th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

I agree that "journalists" that ran with the story are idiots. I also agree with Brian's position that these are real. From the first national story the world had their chance to either accept or deny this information. They decided to accept that DB is an asshat as fact without coming back to question MGoBlog. No further verification required. Now it's just, look he's been an asshat for a long time and in multiple settings. Did anyone need this verification to want him gone yesterday?

Skapanza

October 28th, 2014 at 2:21 PM ^

Verification was of particular importance here not necessarily to confirm that DB is in fact... a DB. Because it was posted on the site, the ensuing debate over it, and media outlets like Olbermann reporting on it and (incorrectly) attributing it to the blog, it was important for Brian and Co. to address the accuracy of the email and confirm or deny its "voracity". As much as it is a significant journalism issue, it's also a blog community issue.

lbpeley

October 28th, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^

to recognize it and call it to our attention.

Brian'sblog was linked directly to the email story. He HAD to verify its authenticity. 

As far as my interest goes, I'm much happier that a few certain self important jackasses that soil this site way too often got their shit handed to them after blasting a 19 year old kid.

I Like Burgers

October 28th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

I don't think ESPN will because with a story like this, they need to be able to confirm it on their own.  Same goes for the local Detroit news outlets.  Their lawyers won't let them report this as news unless they can verify the news as legit.  Its why ESPN has their own FOIA requests in.  The thing you may seem them do something on in the future is Brandon's systemic purging of email history.  That's a big story if you can prove it, and for as shitty as Michigan has been about FOIA requests, you can bet there are a lot of national journalists that will look into this to try and get the "fuck you" story.

But its doubtful any of that happens quickly since Michigan drags out the FOIA process as long as possible.  If Schlissel has any doubt that he should fire Brandon, it would be in his best interest to do it before the journalists can prove something like this.  Kill the scandal before it has a chance to reach the light of day.  A story on Brandon being shady isn't as big of a story if he's already fired.

Lou MacAdoo

October 28th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^

Good work guys. What an arrogant ass. He knows there's no consequence to his actions and he clearly just doesn't care how he's perceived. I'm better than you so gtfo. What leader in their right mind does this? What a little bitch.

antidaily

October 28th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^

Am I the only one completely ok with the "BRANDON: I don't believe you know what "due respect" is...." email??

To followup your whiney bitch session with "is anything I said untrue?" - what a joke.

Someone is always unhappy. Someone will always threaten to leave. This is true with the most awesome well-liked companies in the world. And Brandon's response is fine.

These people dont want "answers", they want to be miserable. And make you miserable.

 
 

antidaily

October 28th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^

Sure, there's an unfavorable body of work. I understand that.

But for fuck sakes, how many times have people bitched about Brian's take on Hoke or the treatment of RichRod and gotten a snarky response here or on twitter.

Sure, it's not the same thing and DB should know better but it also takes a certain kind of selfish asshole to think emailing the AD with his "concerns" is how change happens. It's vain as hell and ridiculous.

dnak438

October 28th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^

It's not selfish. Nobody who is sane thinks that his or her opinion on its own is sufficient to move the needle in the AD's office, but thousands of opinions are. Look at Schlissel's comments. He has said that he's received a lot of feedback, and while privately he's probably not that into reading thousands of e-mails, publicly he acknowledges that it's important for the University to maintain good relationships with alumni, students, and fans. Letter-writing campaigns do matter... not individual letters, but in aggregate.

Bronco648

October 28th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

Yes, but as the Face of the AD, DB HAS to know that people will perceive him based on his responses. All he had to put into the email was something to the effect of; "Thanks for your thoughts/input. We always appreciate hearing from the fan base" and let it go at that. His response was meant to degrade. That's bad PR, period. His arrogant attitude, especially towards fans, has (or will) sealed his fate.

antidaily

October 28th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

In a private email exchange? Again, these people already don't like him. He's not going to win them back. That's not what they want anyway.

If I was him, I'd defend myself to the end. 

Someone seeks out his email and floods him with vitriol than cries foul when he dishes back? Fuck that.

I hate Brandon. Don't get me wrong. But this is fucking silly.

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 28th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

It would be silly if it doesn't confirm the greater sentiment that Brandon is a petty man who has run the athletic department like a petty man. Frankly, there's no excuse for this. I agree that some of the e-mails are ridiculous, but as an athletic director in one of the biggest athletic departments out there, one of your biggest jobs is to deal with assholes. You have to know when to shut up and be PC and when to be as asshole back. Brandon seems only capable of being an asshole back and that's not a sustainable way to run an athletic department that depends on the goodwill of fans and donors.


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westwardwolverine

October 28th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^

I can say this:

As someone who answers dozens of client emails a day, many of them from people who are upset by things that are outside of my control, I would never reply in the way that Dave Brandon does in these emails. Even if someone were out the door, it would be suicide to do so because people talk. 

I've often typed out snarky emails and then gone through and cleaned them up to be respectful, knowing that sending them is of the highest idiocy. 

Its not that silly. It shows what a terrible fit he is as Michigan's AD. 

 

matty blue

October 28th, 2014 at 2:57 PM ^

...back in the old days, i sent my share of smartassed emails - never to clients, but to project team members.  i finally learned my lesson - if you have to vent, go ahead and write it all out, then delete it and start over.  usually that breaks the edges off and you get in much less trouble.  brandon has apparently never learned that one.

GoBlue in Tampa

October 28th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

This is not a private email exchange.... The University of Michigan is a public institution and the emails are subject to public requests.  As a government employee I can tell you that there is no such thing as a private email on my work account.  They are all subject to Freedom of Information requests....