I was always a huge Lloyd Carr supporter, and I think Dantonio is going to be a solid coach for MSU after a few train wreck decades. I am sick of listening to these MSU lackies, though, declaring him a saint and talking about UofM like they are all of a sudden the little brothers in the state. Dantonio seems to me like he will be what Lloyd Carr was for all but 1 year of his career: a solid coach and good guy, likely to run a clean program, be a father figure / good influence for his players, recruit well, win 7-10 games every year and occasionally contend late for a big ten championship. A good career, but hardly elite. RR is a lot of things, but I definately think that he will have us contending for national championships (top 10 in nation) at least every couple of years, and will probably win at least one in the next 5-7 years. Still a big step above MSU and Dantonio and will win more games than they lose against those Spartan choads.
Dantonio a new Carr?
Lloyd Carr was always a classy guy. We've already seen a few instances of Dantonio behaving childish. Such as the comments about how tall Mike Hart was, the moment of silence, the list could go on.I don't think I can even imagine Lloyd saying anything like that, EVER.
Maybe Dantonio will be like Lloyd Carr's winning records in the future, but I certainly wouldn't compare him to how classy Lloyd Carr was as a person/coach.
Carr was as good an example of what a coach should behave like as I've ever seen. The game seemed to pass him by a little bit toward the end, but you're right, he could never be accused of missteps as far as the media or his behavior goes.
This is evidenced by the fact that I've never heard a State fan say anything bad about him. That's pretty impressive if you think about it. The only group I've ever heard criticize him is OSU fans, but even then it was because they dominated the series for a while before he retired.
but you're right, he could never be accused of missteps as far as the media or his behavior goes.
You're joking, right?
Todd Harris, halftime interview, 2003 Ohio State at Michigan game.
Well, no, I wasn't joking... why would you ask a dumb question like that?
I had forgotten about that, but I believe he apologized later. Anyway, you're right, I should have said, "His missteps with the media or his behavior were incredibly few and far between."
(JG2112 glares at BlockM and then walks to the locker room. John Saunders berates JG2112 during the halftime show).
the next week at the same point in the game, declaring, "It's great to see you Todd!" with a giant grin on his face.
Oh, Lloyd, you rascal.
'Twould have been more decent had the media goon been hung, drawn, and quartered by the illustrious Mr. Carr himself. Place the bits on the poles lining the stadium as a warning to the rest.
Carr's personal integrity was terrific, and we knew he'd never embarass the school. But he tended to regard the media as a threat, rather than a potential asset, and was more secretive about his program than he needed to be. He definitely got that from Bo (who got it from Woody). Ah, nobody's perfect.
Does anyone realize just how sucsesful Carr was? If Dantonio's record is anywher close to Carrs he will be the 2nd best Coach in the Big Ten hands down. Sparty hasn't won a Big Ten title in 20 years. And Carr won 5 in 12 years, he finished worst than 3rd in the confernce 1 time (his 2nd year) Seriously folks, 5 BCS bowls. Basically one every other year. Agian State has gone to exactly 1 BCS bowl in the last 43 years. I know this has a lot to do with the program, but come on. If Dantonio had the exact same winning percentage as Lloyd, he would easily go down as the greatest Spartan coach of all time.
The BCS has only been around for 10 years...
you know the deal, dont be an ass. rose. plus good enough to be invited to another major bowl.
have the same record in 12 years as Carr, I would have been disappointed, not pleased No one has more integrity IMO than Carr, and he was successful, but there were too may 4 loss seasons and disappointing endings for my taste.
He seems very intense. Yeah I think they will win 7-10 a year but he will not be as good as Carr was.
for use of the word choad.
I always thought it was "chode."
I was thinking specifically that he would be a good but not great football coach, but I might have been reaching to compare his integrity and that of his program to Lloyd's.
I think his integrity has been shown to be lacking. Welcoming a player directly back from the PRISON to the field?
Somehow I'm not feeling it.
And as noted earlier some of his comments have been completely classless. And tasteless. Did Lloyd ever do anything like him re: the comments about Hart and Bo?
End of discussion
immature HS prima donna athlete who has a false sense of self importance. The lack of professionalism and maturity (ie bickering with Hart, anti-UM responses) are further indications that Dantonio is good for MSU... as he will continue doing a good job in further magnifying the "inferiority complex" of little brother in EL.
so... good for Sparty, better coach than they have had, but he has many, many limitations.
Yeah, 'cause its not like anybody in our fanbase is obsessed with Sparty and their head coach or anything.
Did I miss the relevance to the previous two posts or did you just fail?
The whole "inferiority complex" thing is laughable considering just how often we as Michigan fans seem to rehash the same bullshit day after day when it comes to Sparty. Many in our fanbase are just as obsessed with them as they are with us.
But I would make a bet that many fans, and members on this board... are... "bored", and excited, and antsy for the season to start... Quite honestly, I dont believe we will have to wait very long for Dantonio to provide "additional" demonstrated evidence of the Sparty inferiority complex... its just a matter when, not if.
My thoughts exactly. This whole Sparty meme has gained considerable momentum only in the past few months, and I think it's just because we're all BORED. All of the threads about who is our "real" #2 rival etc. just feed the fire.
Why is this negged?
We talk a lot about Sparty on here, maybe more than Ohio State.
Also, Lloyd Carr would not force his whole team to pray together after a game on national TV.
You know, the whole separation of church & state thing. Shouldn't see that at a public university.
To be fair, we have no idea if Dantonio forces them to pray. My guess is that it's optional, just as it is at any other school.
The guy is not like Carr. His W-L might end up being like Carr but Carr had integrity and class, something Dantonio doesn't have at all.
if he's winning 10 games every year at Michigan State. MSU is a stepping stone job.
He will retire as Sparty's head coach.
as Sparty's head coach, but he is the perfect fit for MSU. And I think he is great for the rivalry, so I hope he stays there for a long time.
Charlie Weiss is not a good "fit" for anything man-made.
Like a chair?
Who said "man made"? We're talking about Notre Dame here, everyone knows ND was created through Divine Intervention.
You just made me spit on my keyboard involuntarily. The monitor was only spared because I wasn't drinking anything at the time. Damn, that was funny!
I'd never make that assumption about an MSU football coach. They have a trigger-happy history.
Well he is up there in age and he seems to really embrace MSU.
I think he more embraces the head coaching job at a place with more media attention and more of a rivalry with the target of his penis envy.
Yeah, I said it. Mark Dantonio has penis envy of Michigan.
I don't know if wants to stay there long-term or not, but given Sparty's history, I wouldn't assume they'll let him finish out his career. Right now he's popular, but MSU's athletic department seems perpetually convinced that the 1960s are right around the corner and MSU is destined to return to national prominence. If Dantonio never wins a Big Ten title, and his teams start performing worse than RR's, his job security could become shakier.
Past Michigan State Coaches:
John L Smith '03-06
Morris Watts '02 (interim)
Bobby Williams '00-02
Nick Saban '95-'99
George Perles '83-94
Muddy Watters '80-82
Daryl Rodgers '76-'79
Denny Stolz '73-'75
Duffy Daugherty '54-'72
Duffy Daugherty was the last Michigan State head coach to retire, and he was forced to retire by the administration after going 27-34-1 in his last 6 years.
Who would have thought that Saban would have left MSU to go to LSU? At the time (and forever before), LSU was average or worse (7 SEC championships in 63 years prior to Saban).
Who would have thought that Rich Rodriguez would have left his alma mater West Virginia?
How about Gary Moeller and his circumstances? etc., etc.
After all of 2 years at MSU and an overall record of 16-10, the past history of coaches at MSU, and the ever-increasing mobility of college coaches these days, the odds that Mark Dantonio "retires" are quite small, IME.
The big difference is that Dantonio's family actually enjoys living in East Lansing. Supposedly, Saban's wife hated it here in Michigan.
- Money talks (Dantonio gets offers elsewhere)
- Shit happens (Moeller factor, poor record, etc.)
- It's PR, and the weather elsewhere or alma mater beckons and he's gone
Keep in mind that Dantonio has been helped by the inattention (for the lack of a better word that I can think of) of the last couple of Carr years and turmoil of transition of the RR years. This might carry him through, it might not.
But history seems to show that coaching MSU is a tough gig.
Perles was fired, but I'm pretty sure he just gave up after that.
began serving an 8 year term as a member of MSU's Board of Trustees starting January 1, 2007.
I wish I could "give up" as elegantly (and profitably) as that.
He wants to run for governor next year.
They are both perfect for each other. The only job he leaves for is Ohio State, if that every comes an option for him.
must have used Cash For Clunkers.