I highly doubt it's much better
at least it's not just us?
For the duration of his tenure, Joe Tiller was infamously supposed to be the guy behind Tom Dienhart's bitchy anonymous quotes in the Sporting News. So it's good to know that the mustachioed Wilford Brimley impersonator doesn't fall far from the diabeetus commercial:
"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
This, as anyone who remembers the grand tenure of Garrett Bushong can tell you, is hypocritcal bunk. Purdue is an engineering college full of nerds that preserves a small section of itself so it can jam Big Ten athletes onto its campus. This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing. Presenting the Purdue major breakdown*:
|Aristide, Ishmael||RS FR||Safety||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Cooks, LaSalle||SO||Defensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Crank, Jared||JR||Fullback||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Ezenwa, Nnamdi||SO||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Flood, De'Ron||FR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Foy, Trevor||RS FR||Offensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Gooden, Gerald||JR||Defensive End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Greaves, DeVarro||JR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Holmes, Gabe||FR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Humphrey, John||RS SR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Johnson, Josh||SO||Cornerback||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Kelly, Dennis||JR||Offensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Lindsay, Jeff||RS SR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Lucas, Will||FR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Short, Kawann||SO||Defensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Siller, Justin||JR||QB-RB-WR||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Smith, Cortez||SR||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Thomas, Tommie||SO||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Werner, Jason||GS||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Bush, Gary||RS FR||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|SR||Running back||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Panfil, Jeff||RS SR||Tight End||selling and sales management|
|Adams, Kyle||RS SR||Tight End||Management|
|Barry, Dan||JR||Offensive Guard||management|
|Carlino, Chris||JR||Linebacker||building construction management technology|
|Shepherd, James||JR||Offensive Guard||building construction management technology|
|Wiggs, Carson||JR||Kicker-Punter||building construction management technology|
Many Purdue players have variants on lifting weights all scientific-like as their majors:
|Edison, Antavian||SO||Wide Receiver||health and fitness|
|Evans, Albert||JR||Safety||health and fitness|
|Higgs, Antwon||SO||Linebacker||health and fitness|
|McDaniel, Eric||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||health and fitness|
|Melton, Xavier||RS FR||Offensive Guard||health and fitness|
|Pierce, Justin||RS SR||Offensive Guard||health and fitness|
|Roberts, Gavin||SO||Running Back||health and fitness|
|Williams, Charlton||JR||Cornerback||health and fitness|
|Holland, Joe||JR||Linebacker||movement and sport science|
|Kitchens, Justin||RS FR||Defensive End||movement and sport science|
|Taylor, Brandon||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||movement and sports science|
|Ballinger, Kevin||JR||Long Snapper||physical education|
|Mondek, Nick||JR||Offensive Tackle||physical education|
|Allen, Ricardo||FR||Cornerback||general health sciences|
|McBurse, Al-Terek||SO||Running Back||communication|
|Mebane, Eric||SO||Defensive End||communication|
|Pamphile, Kevin||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||communication|
|Davis, Cody||RS FR||Center||sociology|
|Gravesande, Waynelle||JR||Wide Receiver||sociology|
|Plue, Ken||JR||Offensive Guard||sociology|
|Bolden, Ralph||JR||Running Back||law and society|
|Marve, Robert||JR||Quarterback||law and society|
|Reese, Xavier||RS FR||Wide Receiver||law and society|
|Schmeig, Rick||SO||Center-Offensive Guard||law and society|
|Smith, Keith||RS SR||Wide Receiver||law and society|
|Drey, Peters||SO||Center||industrial engineering|
|Maci, Robert||SO||Defensive End||industrial engineering|
|McKey, Colton||JR||Offensive Tackle||industrial technology/distribution|
|Kerrigan, Ryan||SR||Defensive End||math education|
|Jackson, Derek||SO||Fullback||computer technology|
|RS SR||Offensive Tackle||mechanical engineering|
|One Specific Fake Football Major||21||34%|
|Standard-Issue Cake Majors||14||23%|
|You Too Can Supervise A McDonald's||7||11%|
|Actual Engineering Type Majors||6||10%|
60% of Purdue's declared majors are either in one specific fake major or physical education. 90% of them are in stuff like the aforementioned, construction, or the usual diet of communications/sociology. Danny Hope should stick to personal grooming tips during his public appearances. That is all.
*(Notes and caveats: Purdue's site was pretty good about picking out walk-ons but some of the guys without bios or at positions like third string kicker or backup longsnapper didn't explicitly mention it. Kickers, punters, long snappers, and anyone without a bio or with a really short bio that didn't mention recruiting rankings is excluded. So are the folk explicitly declared walk-ons. Undecided players and those who "plan on" majoring in something or another are excluded, but the breakdown of the planning stuff was basically more of the same with a greater emphasis on "management.")
I highly doubt it's much better
with the guy below.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. NCAA Division 1 Head Football Coaches probably shouldn't try to say that their players SAT/MCAT/LSAT/Declared Majors are better than those elsewhere.
Yes, even you, Jim Harbaugh, should shut up about how smart you (or your players) are...
It wouldn't be any better, but that's not the point. No one's claiming that Michigan's players are doing more difficult majors than any other program in the Big Ten. Purdue is making that claim (while taking a shot at UM just for good measure)
The point of the post is that the majority of Purdue's football players are taking easy classes, just like every other school's football players. Oh, and that Danny Hope is a colossal dick.
Just because they give it a stupid, cutesy name doesn't mean movement science isn't hard science and an actual major. At least here at UMich it is.
Can be. From my understanding, it's all how far you delve into it. I'm guessing a Kineseology Nerd (here's to context appropriate usernames) such as yourself went a bit beyond the superficial.
That's very true. We have to take a lot of physiology and such, but once we get to the 400-level electives the major can get real dumb (like "Worksite Wellness").
I have to continuosly defend my Kinesiology major because many people think they are all "theory of dodgeball" classes or some other stupid stereotype.
Danny Hope is a D-bag. That is all.
that this year's Purdue game is going to be very similar to the 2002 MSU game. Except it will be on Their Turf.
Industrial engineering? Unless it's different at Purdue (which it might be), that's the engineering major at other schools that most engineers make fun of as being not really engineering, or at least nowhere near as hard as the others.
That said, I'm sure it's tougher than what most of their others are taking.
We referred to this major as Imaginary Engineering when I was in school. Hopefully no one is offended too much by this :)
Same core classes as every other engineering program, but with business classes added. Much harder than LSA. We didn't carry our calculators in our shirt pockets, and as referenced earlier, had the cutest girls in our classes. Enough said.
but at GMI where I graduated, IE was a fallback if you couldn't hack ME or EE. Just sayin'
at U-M, too. I knew a couple guys who opted outta ME, into IOE.
Most of the kids I knew in IOE were there because their parents wanted them to study Engineering but they wanted to do Business. And I can't make too much fun of my IOE former roommate, because nowadays he could buy and sell me three times before breakfast. (Then again ChemE grad students come pretty cheap.)
My only opp to see the babes was on the bus ride to North Campus. You got a full 50 minutes in most classes as well.
(Yes, my jealousy is strong!)
In-n-Out Easy (IOE) for nothing.
Even at tOSU, they called it Imagineering.
And for the sexist, mysoginist engineer in me...the hottest engineering women (holy oxymoron, Batman!) were IOE. ME&AM (Class of '87) had only two hotties....of course, that was the year we had 4 BSE in Nuclear Engineering...all women. Of a certain husky quality.
Moar hotties in ChemE and MatSci. I could tell you aero since we probably have the best ratio of cute to OMG WHY??, but there's only about 10 of us in my graduating class anyway.
But IOE is still Instead Of Engineering!
and we actually had a higher ratio of girls to guys. not sure how it happened, but it was true. i think they like life science type stuff. there were a few lookers, but probably worse than the university average (but not by too much)
Would it be fair to say in return that it really doesn't matter how many hot women there are in Engineering, because Engineering dudes wouldn't be able to get a hot woman to go out with them?
Completely untrue stereotype...I had lots of engineering friends, and some weren't socially inept..some were or could have been players...but it's just as much a cheap shot as saying all these other majors are cake.
Beyond the fact that anyone on here who is/was pre-med probably has us all trumped.
Even if it isn't as tough as other engineering majors, I still think any major that requires multiple semesters of calculus gets a pass as "not a fake major for athletes".
BSIE here. I still joke that I have an Imaginary Engineering degree. I currently do contract management at the company where I am employed and have yet to do any "real" engineering.
I'm not going to lie, was it easier than a majority of the other engineering classes? You betcha. Did we get made fun of? Sure. Did we have copious amounts of free time? Maybe.
At the same time I have a good job. I make the money. I enjoy what I do. I had a fun time at school. I'm satisfied with my choice.
Also, since UM is the #2 ranked school in IE, I'm sure the joke exists everywhere. I'd hate to be at a school that thinks their IE department is super hard and yet not really highly regarded.
Okay, it has been nearly thirty years since I graduated. But if I remember, LSA had a foreign language requirement (maybe two years). And if you were a liberal arts major and didn't want to take a foreign language, your degree was in General Studies. I remember meeting a classmate of mine in graduate school at Vanderbit who did this. And he was a very smart guy who got a great education at U of M in General Studies. Danny Hope is an asshole.
I got a BGS degree at michigan, I got to take upper level courses in Engineering/CS, chemistry, Film, Econ, PoliSci, Sociology, cosmology, art, animation, pyschology, sociology, classes in the graduate business school and the law school, plus I still took Italian and most of the people I knew that were B.G.S. still took a foreign language.
They remove the foreign language requirement because B.G.S. is intended to be a MORE challenging path that focuses on getting you into 300/400 level courses in many disciplines and you have the option of talking to professors and doing independent work to skip intro 100/200 level courses if they approve of your work. I got to work on an individual level with a bunch of profs at M and outline a unique and challenging set of reading and individual assigments to do on my own that were waaay more interesting than 100/200 level drudge. It was very cool b/c nearly every professor got really personal with the reading list/curriculum for the work and also came up with creative assignments, i.e. create a documentary film on Vietnam Veterans, easier said than done.
Some people employ both hemispheres of their brain more than others and don't fit neatly into an all math or all liberal arts path as far as education. I wouldn't change a thing about how i went through UM, my B.G.S. degree has served me extremely well since graduating in '90. I work exclusively at start-ups, my ability to write, create and communicate effectively allow me to fill multiple roles from biz dev, to marketing, to design to product management, while my technical skills and background also allow me to work directly with engineers programmers, operations people, etc. My job is always interesting and I have had the opportunity to live/work in Zurich, Paris, London, as well as spending time in Bolivia working for a foundation in La Paz and going onsite into the deepest parts of the Amazon rainforest near Amboro, Noel-Kempf and Madidid National Parks there.
I wouldn't trade my B.G.S. degree for any engineering, liberal arts, business or law degree out there.
Danny Hope Is an asshole, so is Jim Harbaugh.
1982, and proud of it.
ha! Great follow-up Brian. Danny Hope is a huge douchebag and likely always will be. I'm confident that Rich will take a huge dump on Hope and the rest of his Boilermakers on November 13th.
I'd be content merely with beating Purdue.
This is the reason I read mgoblog obsessively. I heard this quote and it bothered the hell out of me, but no way am I going to have time to break down Purdue's roster by major to point out how wrong this statement is.
Danny Hope is drinking it by the gallon. And yes, I stole that term from Buzz Bissinger on Twitter.
This is really making me re-think my stance on IU (never been) and PSU (Beaver Stadium is unreal) as being my only away games this season. Either way, I can't wait for us to beat the everloving shit out of that classless, arrogant piece of fucking shit.
Fuck Danny Hope and the stupid fucking horse he rode in on, then tried to fuck but was denied.
It's usually not hard to get tickets to Purdue, and it's basically the only stadium I've been to where you have in-out privileges. Halftime tailgate beers!
I went in 2008, which is why I am hesitant to go again since I've already been-there-done-that. Well, that and the fact that I unfortunately don't have as much money as I'd like to dedicate to M football.
I was quite underwhelmed with the stadium experience at Ross-Ade.
As of yesterday, the UM Club of Greater Detroit still has tickets to the Purdue game--they're $46/each. You have to buy them through the mail; just give Roger a call at the number listed for the club.
Yes We..cough.. they Still have a ton of tickets and always will. We won't sell out any games this year. And if you talk to a fellow um fan who may or may not work in the Ticket Office. He may/may not be able to get you some seats that are not in the endzone. Come down and get my back when I'm one of the few students wearing maize+blue in the student section. It would be great to see UM represent as good as those people from that state east of indiana have the last few years
This is neat quote from the Hammer and Rails blogger:
Rich Rodriguez is terrified internally. You can tell the man is VERY uncomfortable. Sure, Tim Brewster, Ron Zook, and Bill Lynch have been talked about as being on the hot seat, but the brash RichRod of two years ago is long gone. RichRod said little of substance and the fear in both his voice and mannerisms was apparent to everyone.
Ah yes, that young, brash, cocksure Rodriguez of 2008, who stormed into the Big-10 Media Days, brandishing predictions of immediate national championships, and left the established Big-10 coaches fluffing their beards, clucking their tongues, and asking "What's to be done with this Rich Rodriguez?"
I remember watching him in 2008, when he said: "We have work to do. When we deserve to win, we'll win."
I remember watching him in 2009, when he said: "We have work to do. When we deserve to win, we'll win."
And surprise surprise, guess what he said in 2010? But this time, he evidently said it with fear in his eyes.
When we tally 600 yards of total offense on Purdue this year, I'm going to print out 100,000 copies of the shameful, probably suicidal game recap article from Hammer and Rails, and I'm going to wallpaper my house, and design new clothes with it. I will eat the hard copies for meals, and I will blend it into a fine slurry so I can quench my thirst with it after I have finished punching a Purdue logo for six hours every night.
I have never wanted to beat Purdue as bad as I do right now.
lol, glass house much? So what is UM's for comparison?
Probably not much better. However, we didn't start the rock flinging.
Shock of all shocks, this might happen at a lot of programs.
If by "might" you mean "does" and by "a lot" you mean "all."
Did Rich Rodriguez talk shit about the classes that kids take at other schools? No. Hope did. "Glass Houses" is what someone should have told HIM.
And does Brian deny the claim that lots of Michigan players are in General Studies? No. He's objecting to Hope's characterization that Michigan football players take "fake" classes while Purdue players take "real" classes.
yikes, just curious
Don't be a pansy and pretend you didn't mean what you said. You said "Glass Houses". If you're going to be a reading-comprehension-impared dick, at least OWN it. Don't be coy and pretend it's not what you were doing.
You don't get off with a "yikes, just curious" this time. If you're going to make a dick comment like that, you had better damn well be informed on what you are speaking and be prepared to defend yourself.
lol, glass houses much?
i think Irish's account got hacked.
by whom, you ask??? DANNY HOPE.
You took things out of context to take an uncharacteristic cheap shot.
It has as much merit as saying "well, if you're going to comment on it...what are ND's major breakdown?" Which has nothing to do with the point, or have any relevance, no matter if it's really impressive or a joke.
The Ann Arbor News did huge, like WOAH, expose on the majors and such of Michigan athletes. This will also explain the "General Studies" quip.
In order to help you (and allow me to join you in the negbang), I will link it for you.
No one here's hiding nothing.
thanks I had seen part of that before but the newest data was from 2007. I didn't want to make an stupid post without knowing if that was representative of the current team. It didn't work
You really need to shut the hell up on this one, Irish.
Either that, or go act like a smug asshole somewhere else.