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Danny Hope's Team Is Organized And Supervisory

By Brian — August 5th, 2010 at 12:15 PM — 143 comments
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For the duration of his tenure, Joe Tiller was infamously supposed to be the guy behind Tom Dienhart's bitchy anonymous quotes in the Sporting News. So it's good to know that the mustachioed Wilford Brimley impersonator doesn't fall far from the diabeetus commercial:

"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."

This, as anyone who remembers the grand tenure of Garrett Bushong can tell you, is hypocritcal bunk. Purdue is an engineering college full of nerds that preserves a small section of itself so it can jam Big Ten athletes onto its campus. This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing. Presenting the Purdue major breakdown*:

Gimme Shelter

Player Year Position Major
Aristide, Ishmael RS FR Safety organizational leadership and supervision
Cooks, LaSalle SO Defensive Tackle organizational leadership and supervision
Crank, Jared JR Fullback organizational leadership and supervision
Ezenwa, Nnamdi SO Linebacker organizational leadership and supervision
Flood, De'Ron FR Tight End organizational leadership and supervision
Foy, Trevor RS FR Offensive Tackle organizational leadership and supervision
Gooden, Gerald JR Defensive End organizational leadership and supervision
Greaves, DeVarro JR Linebacker organizational leadership and supervision
Holmes, Gabe FR Tight End organizational leadership and supervision
Humphrey, John RS SR Linebacker organizational leadership and supervision
Johnson, Josh SO Cornerback organizational leadership and supervision
Kelly, Dennis JR Offensive Tackle organizational leadership and supervision
Lindsay, Jeff RS SR Tight End organizational leadership and supervision
Lucas, Will FR Linebacker organizational leadership and supervision
Short, Kawann SO Defensive Tackle organizational leadership and supervision
Siller, Justin JR QB-RB-WR organizational leadership and supervision
Smith, Cortez SR Wide Receiver organizational leadership and supervision
Thomas, Tommie SO Wide Receiver organizational leadership and supervision
Werner, Jason GS Linebacker organizational leadership and supervision
Bush, Gary RS FR Wide Receiver organizational leadership and supervision

Carlos, Keith

SR Running back organizational leadership and supervision

Count: 21.

I Can Manage And Stuff

Player Year Position Major
Panfil, Jeff RS SR Tight End selling and sales management
Adams, Kyle RS SR Tight End Management
Barry, Dan JR Offensive Guard management
Dierking, Dan SR Fullback management
Carlino, Chris JR Linebacker building construction management technology
Shepherd, James JR Offensive Guard building construction management technology
Wiggs, Carson JR Kicker-Punter building construction management technology

Count: 7.

Basically Kinesiology

Many Purdue players have variants on lifting weights all scientific-like as their majors:

Player Year Position Major
Edison, Antavian SO Wide Receiver health and fitness
Evans, Albert JR Safety health and fitness
Higgs, Antwon SO Linebacker health and fitness
McDaniel, Eric RS FR Defensive Tackle health and fitness
Melton, Xavier RS FR Offensive Guard health and fitness
Pierce, Justin RS SR Offensive Guard health and fitness
Roberts, Gavin SO Running Back health and fitness
Williams, Charlton JR Cornerback health and fitness
Holland, Joe JR Linebacker movement and sport science
Kitchens, Justin RS FR Defensive End movement and sport science
Taylor, Brandon RS FR Defensive Tackle movement and sports science
Ballinger, Kevin JR Long Snapper physical education
Mondek, Nick JR Offensive Tackle physical education
Allen, Ricardo FR Cornerback general health sciences

Count: 14.

Majors That A Lot Of Football Players End Up In Everywhere

Player Year Position Major
McBurse, Al-Terek SO Running Back communication
Mebane, Eric SO Defensive End communication
Pamphile, Kevin RS FR Defensive Tackle communication
Brewer, Andrew SO Center sociology
Davis, Cody RS FR Center sociology
Gravesande, Waynelle JR Wide Receiver sociology
Plue, Ken JR Offensive Guard sociology
TerBush, Caleb SO Quarterback sociology

Eargle, Mike

JR Cornerback sociology
Bolden, Ralph JR Running Back law and society
Marve, Robert JR Quarterback law and society
Reese, Xavier RS FR Wide Receiver law and society
Schmeig, Rick SO Center-Offensive Guard law and society
Smith, Keith RS SR Wide Receiver law and society

Count: 14

Possibly Actual Majors

Player Year Position Major
Drey, Peters SO Center industrial engineering
Maci, Robert SO Defensive End industrial engineering
McKey, Colton JR Offensive Tackle industrial technology/distribution
Kerrigan, Ryan SR Defensive End math education
Jackson, Derek SO Fullback computer technology

Prater, Ryan

RS SR Offensive Tackle mechanical engineering

Count: 6

The Grand Accounting

Type Count Pct
One Specific Fake Football Major 21 34%
Physical Education 14 23%
Standard-Issue Cake Majors 14 23%
You Too Can Supervise A McDonald's 7 11%
Actual Engineering Type Majors 6 10%
Total 62  

60% of Purdue's declared majors are either in one specific fake major or physical education. 90% of them are in stuff like the aforementioned, construction, or the usual diet of communications/sociology. Danny Hope should stick to personal grooming tips during his public appearances. That is all.

*(Notes and caveats: Purdue's site was pretty good about picking out walk-ons but some of the guys without bios or at positions like third string kicker or backup longsnapper didn't explicitly mention it. Kickers, punters, long snappers, and anyone without a bio or with a really short bio that didn't mention recruiting rankings is excluded. So are the folk explicitly declared walk-ons. Undecided players and those who "plan on" majoring in something or another are excluded, but the breakdown of the planning stuff was basically more of the same with a greater emphasis on "management.")

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:49 PM | alright alright, backing away (Score:1)
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alright alright, backing away slowly.....didn't realize its such a sensitive topic....

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:03 PM | Come on, man (Score:1)
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It's real easy: don't make snide remarks about things that you don't know about.

Edit: I do apologize for the "asshole" comment.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:06 PM | snide remark? I was asking a (Score:1)
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snide remark? I was asking a question about "things I don't know about", but thats fine.  I was actually asking with the hope UM's general studies majors would be a lower % than purdue's  which would have added an entire new level to his newly built glass house.

but all the fun has been taken out of it

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:14 PM | If you were really, truly (Score:1)
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If you were really, truly just asking an honest question, then I must ask why in the world you would use such vague phrasing?

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:25 PM | I thought I was joining the (Score:1)
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I thought I was joining the pile on party with a passing remark, then I came back to the thread to see what funny things other people had posted but it had turned kind of ugly.  So I tried to throw out a couple quick responses to mitigate all the new anger but it doesn't appear to have helped.  So now I am just here watching, 

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:20 PM | Oh Jesus (sorry skunkbear), (Score:1)
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Oh Jesus (sorry skunkbear), now you're playing the victim? You know what you were implying.

I've always been extremely supportive of you, but I'm rethinking it.

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August 5th, 2010 at 6:56 PM | you really think this is the (Score:1)
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you really think this is the best I could do if I had intended to ruffle your feathers?  

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:56 PM | again (Score:1)
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No need to back away... just read the posting more carefully next time.  The meat is out front and hard to miss.

"..."

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:57 PM | What Chitown said (Score:1)
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While I disagreed with your original comment, I didn't reply...the reason I am to this is the disingenuous responses. If you had, as an opposing fan, fairly took a cheap shot, hey, that's part of the game.  And if you missed the point, and are called on it, turnabout. But as Chitown said...at least OWN it.  Say, I took my shot, it didn't go over well, and wasn't even a good dig, because it doesn't logically work...but don't try and play it off as knowledge seeking, or over sensitive reactions. Because the blame the victim thing doesn't hide what you tried to do.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:15 PM | nm (Score:1)
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nm

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:47 PM | Donny, you're out of your (Score:1)
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Donny, you're out of your element

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | You completely missed the (Score:1)
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You completely missed the point. Purdue took a shot at UM and Brian laid out the facts. Case closed.

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:55 PM | aside from the glass house comment (Score:1)
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Its a legit question.  If UM has a higher percentage of (4 FAKES out of 5 and so on) fake majors, then it deserves to be criticized by Current Purdue Coach.

Not saying thats the case, just saying its worth comparing.

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:58 PM | If UM has a higher percentage (Score:1)
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If UM has a higher percentage of (4 FAKES out of 5 and so on) fake majors, then it deserves to be criticized by Current Purdue Coach.

Uh, why exactly?

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:03 PM | OK (Score:1)
Mat
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"deserves" isn't the right word.  But the coach has a point (in that case), even if he's being a dick for pointing it out.

IF ITS A LEGIT CRITIQUE, I actually like the way he went about indirectly digging another school.  Adds to the rivalry and what not and its a not-that-subtle indirect jab that I'd expect form Lloyd Carr (though he wouldn't do it to another b10 school, probably).

It seems the MGoRage should be restrained here unless we can convincingly argue that UofM is comparitavly equal (or better than) Purdue in declared-major-intergrity.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:10 PM | are you really this dense? (Score:1)
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are you really this dense?

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:34 PM | Is everyone in Ohio a dick? (Score:1)
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I sorta thought it was just buckeyes.

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August 5th, 2010 at 8:30 PM | With a sign up date (Score:1)
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of 2 years ago and enough points to be a "trusted user," I'd have thought you knew better than making stupid mlive type comments like that. How about you make an argument instead of resorting to attacking people.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:10 PM | But it's not legit either way (Score:1)
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Because he never said "our guys take 1/8th MORE tough classes than other football players", he said they're taking summer school because they have no easy General Studies type courses (which isn't necessarily easy, but that's another topic)...and Brian has shown that they EXACTLY do....and the majority of his players are in it. So he's a liar, either way. 

People may argue about the value of a BGS, or whatever, but you never saw Lloyd say "Ann Arbor News, nooooooooo, these kids aren't in these classes".

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:33 PM | Technically you're right, but (Score:1)
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Technically you're right, but I wouln't expect Hope to make a nuanced statment that clearly defines his point - kinda takes the Zing away from the Zinger.

Presumably, by targeting UofM, Hope's point is that UofM funnels athletes to easy majors more than other schools. i.e. UM has less academic integrity in the football program.

Brian's saying "look you're not all that hot, yourself" proves Hope is a bit of a hypocrite.  The next step would be to prove he's wrong about UofM, which is what I'm saying would be interesting to see.

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August 5th, 2010 at 2:29 PM | But, if he's not going to be nuanced... (Score:1)
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Then he may have a zinger, but he'd still be wrong. And again, he's not saying U-M just has "less"...even though Brian has it above-

"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."

He's not saying of the 90 kids, way more of them take real courses. He's saying "we don't have a cake program like general studies, so all of our kids take some real classes too". And what Brian has painfully (for Coach Hope) pointed out so well is that they have the exact same stuff and easier at Purdue, and not a few, but the vast majority are in it. So that doesn't make Hope less nuanced...it just makes him a liar.

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August 5th, 2010 at 2:45 PM | Agree with you (Score:1)
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Hope is a liar, and what he said was totally hypocritical. 

My point in saying "hey, it would be nice to also see a comparison" is to see if he has any validity to putting Purdue above Michigan in regard to academic integrity.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:07 PM |   WTF are you talking (Score:1)
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WTF are you talking about?  He's responding to the assclown who took the podium at Big Ten Media Days and made the claim that, "We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."

Brian even stated, "This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing."

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:14 PM | I was laughing at the (Score:1)
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I was laughing at the assclown with you....

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:40 PM | Isn't Construction Technology (Score:1)
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Isn't Construction Technology Management all, like, not that easy and stuff? SRSLY?

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:09 PM | Can't sense if you... (Score:1)
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are being sarcastic or not, but I was curious about this myself as I graduated from U of M with a degree in Civil Engineering with an emphasis in Construction Management.  Therefore, I looked into the undergraduate course descriptions for Purdue's program. link

As suspected, the courses are no where near as intense as an engineering curriculum.  With that said, there is still an emphasis in mathematics and basic engineering and I would have some respect for football players who take these courses (probably why there is only 3).

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:20 PM | I have the same degree and emphasis (Score:1)
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Kinda annoying that everyone else in our field has a CM degree from MSU or Ferris

Athens, GA

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:44 PM | I actually work (Score:1)
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on the consulting side of construction so most of my colleagues have engieering degrees.  A CM degree won't get you very far in consulting since you can't get licensed as a Professional Engineer.  For those that choose a career path on the Contracting side of construction, a CM degree might be the way to go.  A PE license gives you some credibility but, unless you work for a design-build firm, it isn't really necessary.

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August 5th, 2010 at 2:57 PM | I work for a general contractor (Score:1)
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so getting my PE would be pointless.  Well, other than being able to show it off in my email signature.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:24 PM | I can manage things and stuff (Score:1)
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I had a bunch of construction management or construction engineering students in the real estate classes I taught at North Dakota State (sort of a poor man's Purdue) a few years ago, and they were generally better than the other students in the class. I would move those guys in with real majors. 

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:31 PM | That was poorly written by (Score:1)
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That was poorly written by me. I was being serious. That degree isn't for your average students in my experience.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:43 PM | Pile it on! I want Purdue to (Score:1)
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Pile it on! I want Purdue to be the game every year where Rodriguez won't call off the dogs even if we're up by 60. (Ok, I want every game to be that way, but still...)

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August 5th, 2010 at 2:15 PM | That would be a nice continuation (Score:1)
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That would be a nice continuation of a Carr tradition. If I recall he used to leave the starters in against Tiller regardless of score.

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August 5th, 2010 at 2:31 PM | Eh If it ever got to that (Score:1)
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Eh

If it ever got to that point, I'd much rather sit the starters rather than risk injury over hurt feelings.  Then we steal their best recruits.  That's a much more satisfying revenge.

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:49 PM | Wonder if this will get picked up (Score:1)
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By any media sources.  I think papers in Indiana would at least be interested in it. This is a Fisking of immense proportions, as it DIRECTLY contradicts what Hope said. You could have pulled his pants down on the podium at Media Day and it wouldn't be as embarrassing.

Though I'd take it easy on some of those degrees that aren't Engineering. It's not like every other program at Michigan or otherwise are a joke. I hear you can make a pretty good salary with some other degrees... (though law and society is a major?  What is that, pre-law?).

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:54 PM | I was thinking law and (Score:1)
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I was thinking law and society might be similar to criminal justice? Wondering more about that building construction management technology major, that one has me thrown for a loop

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:02 PM | Yeah, but that's in the "I can manage and stuff category" (Score:1)
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Which, I don't know...depending on how the programs are, and I don't know Purdue that well...aren't those management types the ones who the Engineers work for? Just saying...

Construction Management Technology, if I'm to take it seriously, which I don't know if I should or not, might be in the Construction Industry...? Those who can't design, as Engineers or Architects and such, manage Construction and Construction sites? I'm winging it here...

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:34 PM | yeah I think it was the (Score:1)
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yeah I think it was the "technology" part that threw me off, it sounded more like a business type major but the "technology" had is straddling 2 different categories in my head,

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August 5th, 2010 at 8:38 PM | I'll try to shed some light... (Score:1)
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I'll try to give some insight, as I assume it's the parallel to my major at Georgia Tech, which was called "Building Construction". At GT, there were exactly 0 athletes (of any nature, not just football) that I ran into in any BC classes. Actually, that's not true...there was a guy who ran track in one of my classes. It wasn't as reputable as an engineering degree, for obvious reasons, but still pretty well-respected. You still had to take physics, calc I and II, and two semesters of statics, so it was no cake walk. It was essentially 50/50 engineering and business in terms of class structure.

Don't get me wrong it's no CHBE (Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering), pretty widely regarded the hardest degree at GT, but it was not a joke.

Since you admitted you were winging it, just wanted to comment on the "those who can't design are construction managers" comment. Owners and developers pay millions of dollars for people other than those who designed the building to actually build it. A lot of the time in my experience most of what is designed is either inadequate to construct or physically impossible to construct.

Also worth noting that from my experience, 95% of athletes  were in the management program at GT, and the others were sprinkled in other areas (International Affairs; History, Technology, and Society; and Literature, Communication, and Culture).

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:10 PM | Construction Management (Score:1)
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I've heard ITT Tech has a great program for Construction Managment.

 

http://www.itt-tech.edu/teach/list/cm.cfm

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:13 PM | Well, there you go (Score:1)
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It must be tough.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:33 PM | I linked Purdue's (Score:1)
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course descriptions for their Building Construction Magagement program above.  Engineering it is not but I still have a hard time knocking it too much.  BCM 285 and BCM 385 are actually probably pretty challenging courses.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:54 PM | Construction Project Managers (Score:1)
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Construction Project Managers pull down decent money ($100-200K). 

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:51 PM | UM breakdown (Score:1)
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Love the classification.  It'd be awesome to get the same breakdown of the UM roster, for comparisons sake. 

In fact, if we're going to have blogs devoted to bylaws and oversigning, there should be a blog devoted to "declared major intergrity" to this for college sports.

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:55 PM | Noooooooo don't ask for a (Score:1)
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Noooooooo don't ask for a comparison!!!!!

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:58 PM | I'd go find something else to (Score:1)
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I'd go find something else to do for a few hours, bro.

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:13 PM | Irish..... (Score:1)
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We are well aware that Michigan steers football players to less demanding curriculums.  The point is that, despite Hope's inference, Purdue is no different. 

Did that go over your head or are you just craving some attention from U of M fans?

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:18 PM | Irish: here is what you'll (Score:1)
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Irish: here is what you'll find...

about half are BGS, but the subconcentrations are not usually listed. this is what confuses people re: BGS. It's like this: imagine if they listed only BS, BA or BSN or whatever instead of the MAJOR. IDK why they list only the degree (BGS) instead of the major.

about 40% are communications or kinesiology

about 10% are other majors: business, educations, science, etc.

 

This is off teh top of my head and a guestimate

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August 5th, 2010 at 1:30 PM | thanks nice post up there too (Score:1)
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thanks nice post up there too ^^^^

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August 5th, 2010 at 12:52 PM | This I know: Danny Hope is a (Score:1)
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This I know: Danny Hope is a fucking tool.

This I hope: U-M curbstomps Purdue this year.

This I want to believe but simply don't know enough to render a judgment: Is U-M the only school with a "General Studies" major? That is, are we sure Hope's comment was a crack at U-M?

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