alright alright, backing away slowly.....didn't realize its such a sensitive topic....
Danny Hope's Team Is Organized And Supervisory
For the duration of his tenure, Joe Tiller was infamously supposed to be the guy behind Tom Dienhart's bitchy anonymous quotes in the Sporting News. So it's good to know that the mustachioed Wilford Brimley impersonator doesn't fall far from the diabeetus commercial:
"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
This, as anyone who remembers the grand tenure of Garrett Bushong can tell you, is hypocritcal bunk. Purdue is an engineering college full of nerds that preserves a small section of itself so it can jam Big Ten athletes onto its campus. This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing. Presenting the Purdue major breakdown*:
|Aristide, Ishmael||RS FR||Safety||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Cooks, LaSalle||SO||Defensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Crank, Jared||JR||Fullback||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Ezenwa, Nnamdi||SO||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Flood, De'Ron||FR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Foy, Trevor||RS FR||Offensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Gooden, Gerald||JR||Defensive End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Greaves, DeVarro||JR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Holmes, Gabe||FR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Humphrey, John||RS SR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Johnson, Josh||SO||Cornerback||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Kelly, Dennis||JR||Offensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Lindsay, Jeff||RS SR||Tight End||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Lucas, Will||FR||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Short, Kawann||SO||Defensive Tackle||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Siller, Justin||JR||QB-RB-WR||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Smith, Cortez||SR||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Thomas, Tommie||SO||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Werner, Jason||GS||Linebacker||organizational leadership and supervision|
|Bush, Gary||RS FR||Wide Receiver||organizational leadership and supervision|
|SR||Running back||organizational leadership and supervision|
I Can Manage And Stuff
|Panfil, Jeff||RS SR||Tight End||selling and sales management|
|Adams, Kyle||RS SR||Tight End||Management|
|Barry, Dan||JR||Offensive Guard||management|
|Carlino, Chris||JR||Linebacker||building construction management technology|
|Shepherd, James||JR||Offensive Guard||building construction management technology|
|Wiggs, Carson||JR||Kicker-Punter||building construction management technology|
Many Purdue players have variants on lifting weights all scientific-like as their majors:
|Edison, Antavian||SO||Wide Receiver||health and fitness|
|Evans, Albert||JR||Safety||health and fitness|
|Higgs, Antwon||SO||Linebacker||health and fitness|
|McDaniel, Eric||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||health and fitness|
|Melton, Xavier||RS FR||Offensive Guard||health and fitness|
|Pierce, Justin||RS SR||Offensive Guard||health and fitness|
|Roberts, Gavin||SO||Running Back||health and fitness|
|Williams, Charlton||JR||Cornerback||health and fitness|
|Holland, Joe||JR||Linebacker||movement and sport science|
|Kitchens, Justin||RS FR||Defensive End||movement and sport science|
|Taylor, Brandon||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||movement and sports science|
|Ballinger, Kevin||JR||Long Snapper||physical education|
|Mondek, Nick||JR||Offensive Tackle||physical education|
|Allen, Ricardo||FR||Cornerback||general health sciences|
Majors That A Lot Of Football Players End Up In Everywhere
|McBurse, Al-Terek||SO||Running Back||communication|
|Mebane, Eric||SO||Defensive End||communication|
|Pamphile, Kevin||RS FR||Defensive Tackle||communication|
|Davis, Cody||RS FR||Center||sociology|
|Gravesande, Waynelle||JR||Wide Receiver||sociology|
|Plue, Ken||JR||Offensive Guard||sociology|
|Bolden, Ralph||JR||Running Back||law and society|
|Marve, Robert||JR||Quarterback||law and society|
|Reese, Xavier||RS FR||Wide Receiver||law and society|
|Schmeig, Rick||SO||Center-Offensive Guard||law and society|
|Smith, Keith||RS SR||Wide Receiver||law and society|
Possibly Actual Majors
|Drey, Peters||SO||Center||industrial engineering|
|Maci, Robert||SO||Defensive End||industrial engineering|
|McKey, Colton||JR||Offensive Tackle||industrial technology/distribution|
|Kerrigan, Ryan||SR||Defensive End||math education|
|Jackson, Derek||SO||Fullback||computer technology|
|RS SR||Offensive Tackle||mechanical engineering|
The Grand Accounting
|One Specific Fake Football Major||21||34%|
|Standard-Issue Cake Majors||14||23%|
|You Too Can Supervise A McDonald's||7||11%|
|Actual Engineering Type Majors||6||10%|
60% of Purdue's declared majors are either in one specific fake major or physical education. 90% of them are in stuff like the aforementioned, construction, or the usual diet of communications/sociology. Danny Hope should stick to personal grooming tips during his public appearances. That is all.
*(Notes and caveats: Purdue's site was pretty good about picking out walk-ons but some of the guys without bios or at positions like third string kicker or backup longsnapper didn't explicitly mention it. Kickers, punters, long snappers, and anyone without a bio or with a really short bio that didn't mention recruiting rankings is excluded. So are the folk explicitly declared walk-ons. Undecided players and those who "plan on" majoring in something or another are excluded, but the breakdown of the planning stuff was basically more of the same with a greater emphasis on "management.")
It's real easy: don't make snide remarks about things that you don't know about.
Edit: I do apologize for the "asshole" comment.
snide remark? I was asking a question about "things I don't know about", but thats fine. I was actually asking with the hope UM's general studies majors would be a lower % than purdue's which would have added an entire new level to his newly built glass house.
but all the fun has been taken out of it
If you were really, truly just asking an honest question, then I must ask why in the world you would use such vague phrasing?
I thought I was joining the pile on party with a passing remark, then I came back to the thread to see what funny things other people had posted but it had turned kind of ugly. So I tried to throw out a couple quick responses to mitigate all the new anger but it doesn't appear to have helped. So now I am just here watching,
Oh Jesus (sorry skunkbear), now you're playing the victim? You know what you were implying.
I've always been extremely supportive of you, but I'm rethinking it.
you really think this is the best I could do if I had intended to ruffle your feathers?
No need to back away... just read the posting more carefully next time. The meat is out front and hard to miss.
While I disagreed with your original comment, I didn't reply...the reason I am to this is the disingenuous responses. If you had, as an opposing fan, fairly took a cheap shot, hey, that's part of the game. And if you missed the point, and are called on it, turnabout. But as Chitown said...at least OWN it. Say, I took my shot, it didn't go over well, and wasn't even a good dig, because it doesn't logically work...but don't try and play it off as knowledge seeking, or over sensitive reactions. Because the blame the victim thing doesn't hide what you tried to do.
Donny, you're out of your element
You completely missed the point. Purdue took a shot at UM and Brian laid out the facts. Case closed.
If UM has a higher percentage of (4 FAKES out of 5 and so on) fake majors, then it deserves to be criticized by Current Purdue Coach.
Uh, why exactly?
are you really this dense?
of 2 years ago and enough points to be a "trusted user," I'd have thought you knew better than making stupid mlive type comments like that. How about you make an argument instead of resorting to attacking people.
Because he never said "our guys take 1/8th MORE tough classes than other football players", he said they're taking summer school because they have no easy General Studies type courses (which isn't necessarily easy, but that's another topic)...and Brian has shown that they EXACTLY do....and the majority of his players are in it. So he's a liar, either way.
People may argue about the value of a BGS, or whatever, but you never saw Lloyd say "Ann Arbor News, nooooooooo, these kids aren't in these classes".
Then he may have a zinger, but he'd still be wrong. And again, he's not saying U-M just has "less"...even though Brian has it above-
"We've had about 90 kids on campus all summer and they've been in summer school. We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
He's not saying of the 90 kids, way more of them take real courses. He's saying "we don't have a cake program like general studies, so all of our kids take some real classes too". And what Brian has painfully (for Coach Hope) pointed out so well is that they have the exact same stuff and easier at Purdue, and not a few, but the vast majority are in it. So that doesn't make Hope less nuanced...it just makes him a liar.
WTF are you talking about? He's responding to the assclown who took the podium at Big Ten Media Days and made the claim that, "We don't have a general studies major at Purdue so they've had to take real classes too."
Brian even stated, "This is totally fine by me as long as their head coach doesn't take shots at Michigan for doing the same thing."
I was laughing at the assclown with you....
Isn't Construction Technology Management all, like, not that easy and stuff? SRSLY?
are being sarcastic or not, but I was curious about this myself as I graduated from U of M with a degree in Civil Engineering with an emphasis in Construction Management. Therefore, I looked into the undergraduate course descriptions for Purdue's program. link
As suspected, the courses are no where near as intense as an engineering curriculum. With that said, there is still an emphasis in mathematics and basic engineering and I would have some respect for football players who take these courses (probably why there is only 3).
Kinda annoying that everyone else in our field has a CM degree from MSU or Ferris
on the consulting side of construction so most of my colleagues have engieering degrees. A CM degree won't get you very far in consulting since you can't get licensed as a Professional Engineer. For those that choose a career path on the Contracting side of construction, a CM degree might be the way to go. A PE license gives you some credibility but, unless you work for a design-build firm, it isn't really necessary.
so getting my PE would be pointless. Well, other than being able to show it off in my email signature.
I had a bunch of construction management or construction engineering students in the real estate classes I taught at North Dakota State (sort of a poor man's Purdue) a few years ago, and they were generally better than the other students in the class. I would move those guys in with real majors.
That was poorly written by me. I was being serious. That degree isn't for your average students in my experience.
Pile it on! I want Purdue to be the game every year where Rodriguez won't call off the dogs even if we're up by 60. (Ok, I want every game to be that way, but still...)
That would be a nice continuation of a Carr tradition. If I recall he used to leave the starters in against Tiller regardless of score.
If it ever got to that point, I'd much rather sit the starters rather than risk injury over hurt feelings. Then we steal their best recruits. That's a much more satisfying revenge.
By any media sources. I think papers in Indiana would at least be interested in it. This is a Fisking of immense proportions, as it DIRECTLY contradicts what Hope said. You could have pulled his pants down on the podium at Media Day and it wouldn't be as embarrassing.
Though I'd take it easy on some of those degrees that aren't Engineering. It's not like every other program at Michigan or otherwise are a joke. I hear you can make a pretty good salary with some other degrees... (though law and society is a major? What is that, pre-law?).
I was thinking law and society might be similar to criminal justice? Wondering more about that building construction management technology major, that one has me thrown for a loop
Which, I don't know...depending on how the programs are, and I don't know Purdue that well...aren't those management types the ones who the Engineers work for? Just saying...
Construction Management Technology, if I'm to take it seriously, which I don't know if I should or not, might be in the Construction Industry...? Those who can't design, as Engineers or Architects and such, manage Construction and Construction sites? I'm winging it here...
yeah I think it was the "technology" part that threw me off, it sounded more like a business type major but the "technology" had is straddling 2 different categories in my head,
I'll try to give some insight, as I assume it's the parallel to my major at Georgia Tech, which was called "Building Construction". At GT, there were exactly 0 athletes (of any nature, not just football) that I ran into in any BC classes. Actually, that's not true...there was a guy who ran track in one of my classes. It wasn't as reputable as an engineering degree, for obvious reasons, but still pretty well-respected. You still had to take physics, calc I and II, and two semesters of statics, so it was no cake walk. It was essentially 50/50 engineering and business in terms of class structure.
Don't get me wrong it's no CHBE (Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering), pretty widely regarded the hardest degree at GT, but it was not a joke.
Since you admitted you were winging it, just wanted to comment on the "those who can't design are construction managers" comment. Owners and developers pay millions of dollars for people other than those who designed the building to actually build it. A lot of the time in my experience most of what is designed is either inadequate to construct or physically impossible to construct.
Also worth noting that from my experience, 95% of athletes were in the management program at GT, and the others were sprinkled in other areas (International Affairs; History, Technology, and Society; and Literature, Communication, and Culture).
I've heard ITT Tech has a great program for Construction Managment.
It must be tough.
course descriptions for their Building Construction Magagement program above. Engineering it is not but I still have a hard time knocking it too much. BCM 285 and BCM 385 are actually probably pretty challenging courses.
Construction Project Managers pull down decent money ($100-200K).
Noooooooo don't ask for a comparison!!!!!
I'd go find something else to do for a few hours, bro.
We are well aware that Michigan steers football players to less demanding curriculums. The point is that, despite Hope's inference, Purdue is no different.
Did that go over your head or are you just craving some attention from U of M fans?
Irish: here is what you'll find...
about half are BGS, but the subconcentrations are not usually listed. this is what confuses people re: BGS. It's like this: imagine if they listed only BS, BA or BSN or whatever instead of the MAJOR. IDK why they list only the degree (BGS) instead of the major.
about 40% are communications or kinesiology
about 10% are other majors: business, educations, science, etc.
This is off teh top of my head and a guestimate
thanks nice post up there too ^^^^
This I know: Danny Hope is a fucking tool.
This I hope: U-M curbstomps Purdue this year.
This I want to believe but simply don't know enough to render a judgment: Is U-M the only school with a "General Studies" major? That is, are we sure Hope's comment was a crack at U-M?
Someone remind me what Hope did last year at the end of the game to RR. Didn't he basically make RR speak to a Purdue team player, in essence, to force some kind of apology.
Hope clearly has anger issues. Maybe this year after Michigan whoops Purdue, we'll get to see Hope thrashing uncontrollably and throwing punches at imaginary snake-oil sales specialists.
After Purdue's historic win last year at Michigan, Hope met Rodriguez at midfield and motioned for offensive lineman Zach Reckman to join them. According to Rodriguez, Hope said, "Thanks, coach. Really appreciate what you did," referring to Rodriguez calling for the Big Ten to assess all potential unsportsmanlike incidents equally. Michigan had seen its starting linebacker Jonas Mouton suspended for throwing a punch against Notre Dame, and Rodriguez identified Reckman's late hit against Northern Illinois as another potential violation for the Big Ten to review. The league concurred and suspended Reckman for a game, a decision that didn't sit well with Hope.
For the record it was Joe Tiller that made the snake oil salesman comment, not Hope. Also As much as I though Hope was immature for what he did after last years game. I don't think Hope has anger issues just ask his players. He is a really passionate guy though from my expiriences with him. I still hope Michigan beats down Purdue though.
Oh, good ole Danny Hope. Last year, at Freshman orientation, this guy said the most important thing in college was to HAVE FUN (in his southern drawl). He failed to mention athletics. It doesn't surprise me at all that he mentions this. He is singlehandedly, the cockiest coach in the conference.
Also, Organizational Leadership Skills (OLS) is a complete JOKE at Purdue. Basically, if you get a degree with it, you are bound for a youth camp leader. What else can you do with an OLS? I'd have to say that Chris Kramer is the poster boy for OLS...
PS...I'm about to be in IE, and even though it will appear to be one of the easier engineering disciplines at Purdue, I still have to take some rather bang-your-head-against-the-wall-at-3:01-am classes such as ME 200 (Thermo), ECE 201 (Linear Circuits (some genius told me this was a "real bitch")), and some others... I'm not gonna get all huffy puffy about people not calling it engineering... Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass...
Communications isn't a cakewalk.
Well, I guess it can be, if you're not serious about choosing a specialty and really delving into it.
Although I have very strong negative feelings towards Danny and his football team, I see his point. If a man (or program) is measured by his enemies, Danny and Purdue become more relevent by picking a fight with Michigan. To me, this seems like a poor attempt at building the legitimacy of a flailing program that hit its peak with Drew Brees and has struggled mightly before and since... I'm not concerned with what Danny says. His football team has no heated, national attention-getting rivalries and this is just a poor attempt at creating one, in my opinion.