But it is the right thing to do for U-M. I hope Mr. York learns a big lesson from this and does much better things moving forward.
no, YOU'RE off topic
Wide receiver Csont'e York, who faces multiple misdemeanor assault charges after punching a man outside of the Ann Arbor bar Scorekeeper's in July, is no longer a member of the football program, per the athletic department. Here's the release in full:
The following is a statement from University of Michigan head football coach Brady Hoke:
“Csont’e York has been dismissed from the Michigan football program. Representing the University of Michigan is a privilege and, while second chances are certainly deserved, sometimes it’s better for everyone if that happens somewhere else. Overall, I have been proud of how responsible our team has been this offseason and how hard they’ve worked to prepare for the season.”
York had previously been suspended indefinitely from team activities.
But it is the right thing to do for U-M. I hope Mr. York learns a big lesson from this and does much better things moving forward.
Once the video was released
This is sad. I feel bad for the kid, but unfortunately it's the correct decision.
the guy that got sucker punched.
that would've been some serious crap if he remained with the program.
Mr. York, I truly hope you're able to learn from this incident and are able to move forward with your life.
I hope he finds the help he needs to learn and grow as a person, and I hope that somehow he makes it right with his victim. But, his behavior deserves a strong consequence. I feel like his challenge will be to stand up and accountable for his behavior and grow from it. I hope that he does because it's not easy, even when you're at fault.
Hopefully he can learn from this unfortunate outcome.
I was one of the douchebags who commented negatively on the video post.
When I say out loud that someone needs to learn or understand that it's unacceptable to cold cock somebody else who, regardless of the verbal abuse, still has their hands in their front pockets, man I don't know....maybe no amount of admonition or lesson-learning is ever going to help. Good luck to you Mr. York.
18+ isn't a good line in the sand. I was pretty awful at decision making until about 25. A 19-20 year old should be held accountable for himself, but let's not go overboard. I'm sure he doesn't think what he did was the right thing to do, but in the heat of the moment with some booze, sometimes that good angel just doesn't speak as loudly.
This is a good point - neuroscientists now recognize that our brains (especially the prefrontal cortex, which is involved in decision making and impulse control) are not fully developed until age 25 or so. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
Not fully able to think responsibly until age 26. Sounds about right.
we're just saying that if he was 26 and sober, the odds of this happening would be lower.
I watched some TV and a few movies this weekend. In some of the action movies, guys got in fights. No one broke a jaw or knocked out a few teeth with one punch. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or can't happen, and I'm not blaming Hollywood. Back in the day, the sport of boxing didn't use gloves. Guys went 15-20 barenuckled rounds. So I think the chances of breaking someone's jaw with one punch are not as great as some would suggest. I think that the people that were quick to condemn York but let drunk drivers off the hook because of the difference in "intent" may want to re-examine their positions. There is nuance here. There are shades of gray. Was his intent to break the other person's jaw, or was it some 20 year old's drunken reasoning that he was somehow protecting his friend? If you are conditioned by television/movies to think that one punch might knock a guy out but not do any more damage than that, and your faculties/reasoning/inhibitions have been impaired by alcohol, maybe that mitigates his crime. He's still responsible, but then the next question to ask is what were the circumstances and do we lesson or increase the normal penalties? I don't know the answer. I wasn't there. 28 seconds of soundless video is not enough evidence for me to judge. We have seen how Hoke has doled out punishments in the past. From my vantage 2000 miles away, I think they have been just and reasonable. For him to dismiss York from the team suggests to me that there is more to the story than the 28 seconds, but I, like Brady, am willing to give the young man a second chance, somewhere else.
As a former Military Police I can assure you that jaws break quite easily. You don't have to be an MMA expert to throw a KO punch (but it helps). The fact that the victim was compleley unaware/unprepared had a lot to do with the outcome.
I agree that intent is not the issue here. This isn't "Minority Report".
Drunk Driving >>>>>>>>>> Punching Guy in Face
The repercussions of getting behind the wheel while intoxicated should be the end to your college football career. Just because the action you take (druck driving) doesn't have a 100% probability of hurting someone else doesn't mean you shouldn't be held responsible for your drastically stupid decision.
Is what York did stupid...absolutely. Was releasing him from the team appropriate...yes. I am sick, however, of kids making the arrogant choice of driving drunk and receiving only game suspension.
Intent isn't the issue. York knew the outcome of what he chose to do. Drunk drivers do not, which, in some ways is far worse. Falling asleep at just the wrong moment and T-boning a family of four....
In a way I feel bad for Csont'e York because there are many players around the country "getting away" with, in my opinion, much worse offenses. And while, again, I agree with his dismissal, it seems unfair that others don't recieve the same fate for their irresponsible choices.
Mistake #1 was hanging around in front of a bar after 2am. There's like 100 things that can happen, and 95 of them are bad.
"Nothing good happens after midnight." ~ Herm Edwards
But man, those 5 things are EPIC!
Wasn't his BAC less than half of the legal limit to drive? Unless he is a major lightweight booze wasn't that much of a factor. However he did have enough time to think before acting when he took a look around to see if anyone was watching before he sucker punched the guy.
I watched the video numerous times, just trying to find some provocation for this incredibly violent act.
All I kept seeing after all those viewings was:
a) York set his feet in anticipation of throwing a punch at someone who clearly wasn't even looking at him, and
b) York looking furtively around to see if anyone was watching before he struck the young man, who was looking not at him but at Jones, and had his hands in his pockets the entire time.
And then of course c) both of them high-tailing it out of there.
I believe it was York's lies to police about how he felt "threatened" that ultimately led to this inevitable dismissal however. There's been athletes, including football players, involved in fights before. But the cowardice and maliciousness of this action really stands out.
I was 24 years old and had already spent multiple years of my life overseas in defense of our country and still managed to make mistakes that I would probably be burned at the stake for on this board if I played football for Michigan. If it weren't for people that saw potential in me I know I wouldn't be where I am today in life. While his next chance is not going to be at Michigan, I hope this young man the best and hope he learns from his mistakes and can use it for good, much like Billy Taylor was able to rebound.
What a huge opportunity lost by that kid. Hope he figures life out sooner rather than later.
for York's behavior and response in light of the video evidence seem incongruent. As a result, one is left with a limited conclusion about what transpired. And given that this verdict is not really based on completion of any legal process, other than what is presumed appropriate, York is now done as a Michigan athlete. I think for those who wanted immediate action, this suffices, given the fact that there wasn't any other real solution to mitigate the response except patience about the process.
Hoke's football program is not part of the legal process. They don't need to know everything. They are not obligated to wait. A few things are self-evident just from the video: York was not in any immediate danger, the victim was not being physically aggressive (though we don't know what he said) and York looked like a goddamned fool. With the football scholarship, Hoke & Co. are bestowing a privilege with the expectation of self-restraint. Even in the event York had a legit gripe against the guy he punched, that was not an appropriate way to handle it. He could be acquitted but you don't need to be guilty of a crime to be unworthy of wearing the winged helmet. The football scholarship is given with discretion; it's not an entitlement or a right.
Overall I think he handled things about right. Given Gibbons' investigation was re-opened due to a policy change, it made sense to wait for the findings and in the meantime (in the then-likely event Gibbons came through clean, since that's what happened the first time) keep the press off his back. I didn't like Lewan's on-field antics but when they saw it the refs threw the flag; what else are you gonna do? In this case the transgression was obvious so there's no need to wait for the legal system, but I'm not a fan of instant mob justice either. Not sure what changed between the video release and now, but if I was in charge I wouldn't make a snap decision either.
"Hoke's football program is not part of the legal process."
Those calling for the legal process to "play itself out" are missing the point. I don't think Hoke really had a choice, and quite frankly he'd have a lot of explaining to do (to the parents of recruits,for example) if he didn't make this decision.
Unfortunately The legal process was already pushing into September. Csont'e had admitted/explained his actions in his statement to police so it is a foregone conclusion that there was going to be some type of conviction here. Acting at this time allows this not to be a distraction to the team this year and more importantly gives Csont'e a head start on determining his football and academic future. I would bet that Hoke has already made some calls to some MAC coaches on Mr. York's behalf if he feels Csont'e is a good kid.
transfer. Maybe that was the reason for the delay. Maybe he wanted to help him find a new school.
Hopefully he navigates the legal system without his life going totally south and then manages to get back on track.
Not trying to be dismissive of his actions. Just hoping that he learns from this and succeeds elsewhere, instead of finding further and even more severe trouble.
Hope he can right his wrongs and finish his career elsewhere. Get that degree young man
This does not sounds like lawyer-speak; but rather, Hoke-speak. "Some" is a word he uses a lot and I like that he appears to have written it, not some lair.
Actions have consequences. Tough lesson to learn but life is full of hard lessons. Learn from it and move on. Be a better person.
Hope that young man that took the punch heals up.
This whole thing sucks.
Now is the winter of Assault with Intent
Made more of a bummer by Csont'e York.
The summer poster and the sunshine Wolverine will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their team; but they that stand by it now, deserves the love and thanks of Michigan Man and Michigan Woman. Ohio State, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the greater the point spread, the more glorious the triumph.
What determines the difference between an assault being a misdemeanor versus a felony?
I haven't practiced in Michigan (though I am a bar member there), but if memory serves me right the distinction tends to come down to extenuating circumstances such as prior convictions for assault, the type of victim (e.g. spousal abuse can increase the charge from misdemeanor to felony in certain circumstances), and if weapons or some other crime was involved, amongst other factors. My guess is this will be a misdemeanor if it is a first offense, but I'm not sure.
The resulting harm might enhance this to a felony assault. If they are pushing and shoving first and York delivers that blow it might be simple assualt. The fact that the victim was seemingly unaware and suffered a pretty significant injury that this looks like a felony. I'm not an attorney, but I am former LEO.
Redundant post saying the same thing as the post above.
Mostly I hope the victim is okay.
And then I do also hope York can turn it around, though it is the right call to dismiss him.
Interesting to note that Oklahoma chose a different path suspending Mixon for the season - he is charged with misdemeanor assault for punching a woman in the face.
Unsurprising. Hopefully he'll find a place to land where he can still thrive, and I do hope the full set of facts surrounding the incident come out at some point. Not that it would excuse the assault, but I feel like there are elements that were not captured in that video.
What Csonte did was really bad, no doubt - but I sincerely hope he has parents / relatives / authority figure to counsel him in this time. I don't want to see him on the streets in five years. I have utmost confidence in Brady that he will help this young man as one of his "sons".
It's the right move by the program. That behavior is unacceptable in any part of life. That said... I hope York gets a second chance somewhere and makes the most of it. Play some football, but more importantly get a degree.
That a coach or two, maybe even Hoke himself, has reached out to a few folks to see if they can find a place for him to land. I recall that after Trevor Pryce got into some trouble back in the early 90's and it was clear that his days were going to be numbered, there were some discrete moves to find him a place to land. There are a few programs out there headed up by coaches who sort of "specialize" in taking on this kind of thing and turning it into a positive. Given what York did, he may not end up at a D-I school right away, but he'll probably end up somewhere that will work for him.
Gotta say, I was dreading clicking this link and reading the comments. After the video was released, some of the reaction comments by the community were, shall we say... less than enlightened. But pretty much every comment above is even minded and reflective. These are the times that I actually feel pride for being part of this community. There was a while there where I felt like internet discourse would always go the way of Mlive comments.
In the 11W sister article they make a jab at Glaslow only getting a 1 game suspension implying that his punishment would have been more severe were he at OSU. This seems rather similar to the Carlos Hyde video minus the broken bones and a woman instead. Looks like these punishments paint a different picture.
Here's hoping the victim is ok.
I AM GROOT :(
I won't believe it until I see an actual quote from the J. Ira and Nicki Harris Head Football Coach at the University of Michigan Brady Hoke himself.
From what I have read since the initial announcement, it is unfortunate for York that he let himself get into this unforgivable situation. I'm glad that Hoke waited until now to make his decision. Time to move on for both parties. Hopefully, York can mitigate the legal consequences and learn from it for the future.
I pray that York gets another opportunity to play at another school and that he uses this as a learning experience. Hopefully this is the point at which he stops making bad decisions.
Imagine that Hoke would do anything else? Especially after the video was released. York probably will get convicted, but may be able to plead down to a misdemeanor assault or some such if it's his first offense. Either way, I can't see Hoke having someone with an assault record on the team. And yes, I hope York turns it around.