Coaching Clinic Notes: Offense Comment Count

Brian

The second half of Craig Ross's recap of the coaching clinic.

Borges and the Offense

Borges, unlike Mattison, obsessed over last year’s tape. This makes sense since the O was pretty effective for much of the year, and he wanted to evaluate what he had (particularly on the OL) to see what changes they might need to make. He noted (in a presser) that he felt that the zone blocking from RR’s tenure wasn’t a lot different from the style he prefers, but then said that they wouldn’t do a ton of zone. It is a part of the offense, but it sounds like it is like power was last year—a changeup. Borges has a lot more problems than Mattison even though we assume offense is going to be much better than the defense, because he actually has something that asks him to adapt.

Hoke made it clear that the “signature play” (their words, more than a couple of times) would be “power.” This is often out of a 21 package [ed: 2 RB, 1 TE—usually a standard I-form] with the FB kicking out/protecting the edge and the play being run through the A gap, with the backside guard pulling through the gap. Here’s what it looks like. The diagrams below were created by Borges when he was OC at Auburn and are found in Bill Mallory’s (and Don Nehlen’s) book Football Offenses and Plays:

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[ed: Here's an excellent Smart Football primer. Also here is another diagram. Key player is the guy just to the left of the X representing the center:

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That's actually a counter play that the Steelers used for a 75-yard touchdown in a Super Bowl a few years back. It's not "A-gap"—A gap would go right next to the center.

This won't be entirely unfamiliar. Michigan pulled guys last year. This Picture Pages covers a "down G" play—like power but with the playside guard pulling outside of the TE/tackle. Here's the C and frontside guard pulling against Indiana:

Here's an actual backside G pull on a power inverted read veer pickle sandwich (or something… Rodriguez's run game forced me to figure out/invent lingo every week):

Plenty of college spread teams use power. Here's seven minutes of it:

Yes, I am slightly obsessed with this. Also whenever this topic comes up I hear EA Kirk Herbstreit's disembodied head say "he used POWER… he used POWER… he used POWER." I'll stop now since this editorial aside is turning into its own post.]

Ideally, the back is reading the WILL who will be spilling over to the playside once he determines he has no gap responsibility on his side. If the Will pursues hard the back can even cut back to the weakside of the formation. Borges has said that they won't be in 21 and 22 personnel running power 14 times a game, but Hoke had a slightly varied message.

This Spring, power for the most part sucked against the #1 D, but it is clear that this is their primary running play. They run the Wildcat in a similar fashion. That has pretty much not been very good either.

The Borges article in the above book remains vital. My guess is he is still using slice plays: the slice pass, the naked boot and the wide zone. Funk says he has run the power for 25 years (he doesn’t seem that old) but he likes to run some zone also. He says, a la Landry, Bo and Lombardi, that they like to practice power more than it is used in games so that “the kids have seen everything a defense can throw at you and they are always prepared—we want to get to where they are always comfortable in blocking the play, regardless of defense.” Funk also said they will “never check to power” but they might check out of it.

On a personal level, Hoke has an extremely high regard for Funk. He implied that SDSU wasn’t very tough or fundamentally sound in 2009 but by 2010 Funk had created a different deal. Hoke says that Funk is the best OL coach in the country and, I have to admit, he is incredibly impressive.

At this point I don’t know what to think. I thought the offense was sketchy in the Saturday scrimmage. I thought offense was sketchy in the spring game. OK, Molk didn’t play a lot. Lewan didn’t play at all. These are two of our top three guys on the line. In both events the O was still working on reps as much as anything else. But I didn’t think either QB looked comfortable in this offense. Did the offense, really, look any better than the offense with Steve Threet in Year One of the Years of Complete Implosion? And, weren’t we running against the personnel that was the worst D in History last year? Well, everything has morphed. Wasn’t the D playing against a pretty damned good O from last year? Uh, yeah, except it was running a completely different system. [ed: DUCK!]

My sense/conclusion, though it is more mist than light, is that the D has truly improved. Part is experience. Part is growth by the younger guys, the natural progression. Part is Mattison and the HC’s focus on defense, not offense. Part is a scheme that gets guys in the right places. My sense/conclusion is also that the offense will decline, perhaps massively. Now, it is early. But doesn’t it feel like, as RR in Year One, that we are pounding a lot of square pegs into round holes? Doesn’t it feel like we have taken the best weapon in college football and hamstrung him? I can’t be right.

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Special Teams

Place kicking remains a debacle. I have watched this a lot. These guys just can’t do it. If the frosh (Wile) isn’t the starter this fall we are (again) in trouble. Think four downs—not that I have any problem with that on just about any place on the field. But if you ain’t playing four downs from down 1—different deal. And, since no one but Pulaski High School is, well, we gotta get better here.

Hagerup, of course, isn’t a problem. He should be a better punter than last year and he was competent last year. He gets great hang time and doesn’t chunk them often. [Ed-M: provided whatever kept him out of the bowl is now behind him]

Punt returns: The coaches have tried a different idea re: training. Instead of hassling and bumping the returner (something I thought would have worked pretty well) the coaches are turning them around pre-punt and then forcing them to find the ball in the air, post punt. Another drill has them catching the punt with another ball tucked in one arm. Seems to be working or, at least, I didn’t see Junior, Dileo or Gallon drop one. Even when being turned around or holding another ball. Better than last spring. I will predict improvement here, for whatever reason, or only because it can’t continue.

KOs and returns I haven’t witnessed. Or, if I did, it wasn’t much and it didn’t register.

Overall

As an abstraction I could not (and still don’t) believe the offensive transition will go well in the short term. Now, Borges seems a very sharp guy. I have no concerns about his intelligence, experience or ability. His OL coach, Darrel Funk, is awesome: off the charts smart and personable. He seems less obsessed than Hoke about smashmouth football. He wants to be physical, but concedes that spreads are viable. He reminds me of Carr. Carr wasn’t a believer in zone blocking but was willing to be convinced and DeBo (plus Alex Gibbs) were able to convince him. Funk seems confident in his ability to teach any style. I am convinced he could teach anything, also.

I have zero issue with the hiring of this group. I am impressed. They stress that they never belittle or embarrass a player. Criticisms are constructive and positive. But they are more classical football guys who have inherited a lot of spread offense pieces. In this, I don’t see 2011 as much different than 2008. Lotsa round offensive pegs in square holes. In the long run, I have no doubt that Hoke will put high quality football on the field. But this might be three years away.

Comments

CR

April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 PM ^

      It was late, after midnight, when I put my notes together for Brian. I had been working most of the day. I was tired. I had consumed a beer. The dog ate my homework. Something else, no doubt. I can parse and rationalize my writing, but let me concede that my overview was slovenly.

     Many of the criticisms of my notes are thoughtful and legitimate. So, while my post was ill-written, it did spawn interesting stuff.  Yes, there have only been 15 practices. The UM coaches are in the process of installing an offense and aren't concerned, at this point, in scoring points in a scrimmage. Offense installation was more immediate. Borges and Hoke are extremely smart guys and will, in the end, use Denard in a way that gets him into the open field. The offensive line was at less than full strength and, fact is, offenses often look pretty badly in these scrimmages. I have seen some pretty good UM offenses look bad in spring games. In this case, my guess is we didn't see a lot of the UM offense and we didn't see plays sequenced or crafted the way this will accrue in a game. There are a lot of reasons why the spring game isn't likely to be representative of what we will see this season. Similarly, this is true of a practice where a part of an offense is being installed.

   There is no chance that the 2011 offense will fall to 2008 levels. There is a lot more talent in 2011. The receivers are pretty good. The OL should be pretty good (if healthy; depth is scary). RBs seem at least competent and we have (a) an off the charts play maker and (b) a potential star in the backup QB. Plus, while I concede to having a preference for spread offenses (as does Brian)  Borges has run a lot of different offenses and he will do what he has to do to put Denard into advantageous positions.

    What I intended to convey was that the structural problems of 2011 are a lot like the structural problems of 2008. I have been fearful that the transition will take some time---more than this year---and what I saw in the spring didn't disabuse my fears. I hope I am wrong but I am concerned that the transition may be painful, that the 2011 offense will regress in relation to 2010. Will it regress to 2008 levels? No chance, absent disastrous injuries. I will be more than glad to eat crow on this one if the offense exceeds last year's production. Brian can post me in effigy, kittens and muppets taunting and torturing me. But I am worried and I intended to convey questions, not answers. [As an aside, I was on-the-record about being more than very worried about the offense  in 2008, and I predicted the offense would cook last year (though I concede the uneven roast). I admit to some checkered outcomes in my thinking, but I ain’t always wrong. Still, I prefer to be wrong on this one, I will revel in my wrongness.]

Craig Ross 

fatbastard

April 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^

with the comment about not seeing quality football for three years.  I'm pretty damned sure we will see quality play on defense this fall, and that while it won't be perfect, we're not going to seem like we're fitting round pegs in square holes.

As for offense, these guys will adapt. The oline should be serviceable, at least.  I'd thnk, regardless of style, they are in the top 4 to 5 in conference.   I believe our running backs will also be fine.  If Cox can p/u the plays and block he may be quite good.   If not,Hopkins and Toussaint are both viable options on rotating bases.  I suspect we'll see a lot of Vincent Smith on 3rd down passing plays and we already know he can split out from the backfiele and play wr.  In those respects, these aren't perfect fits, but are hardly square pegs in round holes.

The quarterbacks are the biggest issue.  I can't help but think that they will use a way to make Denard effective.  I expect a lot of qb counters, draws and rollout options.   They will certainly run some spread option -- they did Saturday.  Right now the focus should be and was on the base plays. 

I am willing to bet that we dont use the season as a training ground, tho.  That was RR's problem his first year.  Instead of adapting to the 6'4' qb with an arm, he ran the same offense he did with Denard.  Borges and Hoke won't do that.  They will not use Denard as they would Ryan Mallett.  They are much more intelligent, adaptable and experienced coaches as a whole than RR and his staff.  Not to mention extreme difference in personalities. 

One thing to not underestimate is the effect that congnizance of the clock will have.  We won't so easily fall behind by 21 as a result of hurry up and punt.  Games will generally be lower scoring b/c our D won't be on the field for 45 minutes.   Games against physical teams will, therefore, be closer more often than not, which bodes will against teams like MSU, OSU, Wisc and Iowa.  Not saying we'll win every game.  We should be more competitive than we were, though.

 

 

trussll12

April 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 AM ^

The man may "get Michigan" or love toughness or what have you, but he has a lifetime sub-.500 head coaching record and has never even won his conference (even the MAC or the MWC).  Hate on RR all you want, but whether it's BCS Bowl Game victories, conference titles (Big East), or even success as an OC (Tulane's 13-0 season), he has Hoke beat on at least two of the three things you cite.  Really didn't wish we had to live in Crazytown if we're Michigan fans.

Eye of the Tiger

April 21st, 2011 at 11:40 PM ^

2008?  As CR states a couple posts above, the problem there wasn't just a difficult transition, it was a difficult transition + terrible OL + terrible WRs + terrible QBs + injured RBs.  

Right now we have difficult transition + great OL + solid WRs + immensely talented but sometimes wobbly QBs + serviceable RBs.  

So what does this mean?  Well, I think we're likely to struggle early on against decent opponents.  ND is going to be very tough, and SDSU might be tougher than expected.  @Northwestern is a game we could also lose.  Being 4-2 or 3-3 is plausible going into the MSU game.  So is 5-1, but I sincerely doubt we'll be 6-0.  

However, this is the point where I think our personnel advantages will start to play a bigger role, and the transition less and less of one.  Like ND last year, we should get stronger as the year goes on.  To put it another way, our team will look more like an off Carr year than an RR year.  

If I had to put money on it, I'd say 8-4.

 

uminks

April 22nd, 2011 at 1:51 AM ^

This offense has a much more experience, talent and depth than 2008. DROB is way better then Threet.  I see a drop off from the 2010 offensive production but not an implosion like the 2008 offense.  I'm sure Borges will make use of the spread players and the OL probably will do better with zone blocking. The key is we need to find a FG kicker!!!! Even if you get some kid to walk on the team this summer, if he can kick 20 to 30 yd field goals consistently, please start him!

The real key to 2011 will be the defense!  The defense will need to play much better if we have any chance contending for the B1G conference championship. I think we'll see an improvement in the defense but with the new coach and some growing pains on offense, I only see a 7 to 8 win season.  But there is no WAY given our weak schedule that we should finish below .500.  I will be very disappointed if we miss out on going to a bowl game after the 2011 season...but am willing to give Hoke his 5 years as coach. The odds are better that we win the conference than finish sub .500!!!!

turtleboy

April 22nd, 2011 at 3:55 AM ^

It always amazes me when I see lifelong educated Michigan fans freak out after a scrimmage. The Spring Game was A PRACTICE! It was not an exhibition, it was not a memo to the rest of the BIG10 to show off how well DRob can still run the ball! It was a practice where they purposefully hid signature plays from scouts and worked on the things that need working on. Of course the offense looked bad! Borges said they only ran 40% of the new system. Note his past track record. 1st year at Oregon they led the Pac-10 in passing. At UCLA they AVERAGED 30+ points per game (including his first year) and averaged over 40 ppg for 2 seasons. 1st season at Auburn the team went 13-0 with his "new offense." It hasn't always had such a drastic turnaround but he knows what he's doing. He's walked into several different schools with kids he just met and half the talent Michigan currently has and has set America on fire. He is not Rich Rodriguez exploiting the miniscule Big East then washing out in a real conference. He said his philosophy on success in the offense is to convince the defense that your running the ball to draw in the coverage and then beat them with a throw. Run to set up the pass. Or in DRob's case if the check down is bad he scrambles for a 6, run to set up the run.

blue in dc

April 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 AM ^

If, Hoke had been hired the day after the OSU game, coached the bowl game and eeked out 14 points, would you be more or less worried about next years offense right now?

PRod

April 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 AM ^

This is a classic example of the insanity of the internet.  Here you have Brian who has coached how many years in college football?  Questioning a coach who has been a successful offensive coach for years and we have yet to see them run one play in a regular season game yet.   I repeat they have not played a game yet!  I say again they have not played a game yet.

2011 will be much the same offensively as 2008?  Really!  Do you really think they are going to show exactly what they are going to do in a spring game?   Ten starters coming back is not better than one starter coming back, no matter what offense you are running?

 

I have said before, all Brian is doing is setting himself up to say I told you so after a poor performance this year.  I guess Hoke should have signed him to be the offensive coordinator.

 

 

CR

April 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 PM ^

  I wrote the post. Brian just edited it and added some of his own thoughts. He shouldn't take the hit here.

  I never intended to say that the 2011 offense would be as woeful as the 2008 offense, but my language was poor, using "in this" to mean "in this respect." See my post below.

  I hope my worries are ill-founded.

 

Craig Ross