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...talks about how UConn hasn't been in contact and how they're out. (HT: UMHoops)
Jalen, Burke, and Simmons.
Mike Hart the heavy favorite in the trolling competition
just what the Pistons need: a third string center. Joe Dumars was replaced by a mean ol' alien a few years back you guys.
this would be a close approximation of hypothetical graduation speech
no you guys they're just super pumped about COLLLLLLLLLLLLEGE
not a surprise
premature congrats. One thing we can be sure of: he'll take fewer asinine penalties than Abdelkader
Thanks to ugly transitions between Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley/Davis, Tennessee is on the edge of APR penalties for football.
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strong indictment of AAU right heah
Glockner sides with justice
a good cause, and a good time
good job gents
I agree that acting like this helps Michigan doesn't make sense.
But you're acting as if MSU and UM have been operating on a level playing field in terms of recruiting, or that it was even remotely close to changing. MSU could have lost first round, and any rational kid whose criteria was "I want to go to the better team" would have STILL chosen MSU. Every single needle points in their direction - a loss today wouldn't have changed that.
Tell me then how a high profile recruit, who maybe wasn't really interested in msu but now might give them a 2nd look, couldn't be seen as a weapon that will be used against Michigan.
And just for kicks, can you please include the lyrics of 'The Victors' in your reply? I know, I know, childish. But I'd just like for you to some way, any way, to affirm that you are a fan of Michigan. I know you mentioned you graduated from Michigan and went to the Rose Bowl. But you seem awfully ardent on making msu's accomplishments clear to everyone here.
ON THE BANKS OF THE RED CEDAR,
THERE'S A SCHOOL THAT'S KNOWN TO ALL;
IT'S SPECIALTY IS WINNING,
AND THOSE SPARTANS PLAY GOOD BALL
No question, Jim.
VICTORY FOR M.A.C!
How you could type that and not cringe, is beyond me.
Please, karpo and sigh. No more. I'm embarrassed for you.
Deuce and Chris, since you post in tandem; please let me know when you can rebuke anything I said about msu winning and how it affects Michigan.
You whine about my posts but I've yet to see you come up with anything that can refute what I've said.
I have a feeling, and it's just a feeling, mind you, that Deuce and Chrisgo's comments have less to do with what you are saying, and more to do with how you are saying it. Why should anyone respect you enough to engage you on the merits of your argument when you so quickly resort to calling people "idiots" and questioning their allegiance to UM?
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Because it's conscious shocking that anyone could ever construe msu winning to help Michigan. I mean really, that is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.
OSU winning the national championship in '02, playing and losing in '07 and '08, really helped us against them these last couple years.
I mean we all saw this. And you can seriously say there is no impact from our rivals winning?
I never said MSU winning is good for Michigan, one way or the other. I was just having a good time messing with you.
Seriously though, I don't really care if they win or lose. I just like following Michigan. I'm glad they are in the Final Four because it's good for Detroit for them to be there.
I have no interest in engaging you in any sort of debate. I don't care how "conscious shocking" or "absurd" you find these arguments. All this tells me is that you are so wrapped up in your own opinion that you cannot for a second consider the fact that someone might have a differing opinion. And when you are finally faced with this possibility, you resort to insults. It's that type of close-mindedness that is destroying this board.
I'm not saying I agree with you or anyone that disagrees with you. All I'm saying is that your lack of respect towards others in this and other discussions leads me to believe that any further discussion with you is not worth my time or effort. And so I am done.
Come on dude. People were calling me out and I came clean and admitted I was wrong. I use the word 'idiot' (because I truly believe that to ignore the negative externality of what happened today this is well...dumb), say something is 'absurd', and you're...offended?
That's pretty thin skinned.
I'm not disagreeing with your premise. I don't think MSU winning is "good" for Michigan.
I'm more annoyed that rather than dealing with my non-ad hominem point, you can't even muster the rationality to address it. Rather, you call me a "troll". I'm not going to regurgitate easily googled song lyrics for you. If I DID go to Michigan State, does it change my point? (ie, MSU's hoops program is already held in greater esteem than Michigan's, so this changes nothing)
Your point that since msu operates at a different level and that them winning today doesn't change anything?
No, I philosophically disagree. I'm going to steal a quote here, but I'm going with "Life is a game of inches". Today, with msu winning, we were put an inch back.
And I love Michigan to the extent that I won't give up a single inch. I won't acknowledge my rivals success. I will cheer for my rivals if Michigan gains something from it(like going to the national championship game), but I think I've already established my view that the delta created between the two schools (in basketball) is much larger than the positive publicity generated by the B10 being the Final Four.
Oh, and you have to Google the lyrics to The Victors? Are you serious?
Come on man, come clean. You're a msu fan.
It is impossible to argue with you when you consistently edit your posts after I've responded so you can change what you wrote.
Obviously, State going to the Final Four helps the Big Ten. But do you really think it benefits *Michigan*? I don't - and by the same token, I don't think it benefits them if we do better, either. The two programs have basically never been good at the same time, and while that's not to say that it couldn't happen, history suggests that in-state recruits tend to gravitate towards one of the two programs at a time. I don't even really dislike State, but I root against them because I think their success just ends up hurting us.
Yes!!! Thats a lot of posts!!!
Yet, where exactly did I say this was good for Michigan?
In fact, the word Michigan is not even typed anywhere in my post.
I looked at if from a Big 10 perspective.....and, of course, my wager.
But, some folks need better reading skills and have to stop taking sports so seriously.
Nowhere did I say this was specifically good for Michigan....its good in general terms and perceptions for the league, thats all.
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So you care more about the general perception of the league than about Michigan? I just find that weird. I couldn't care less about the rest of the conference as long as we're doing well. If we were to the Big Ten what Memphis is to CUSA, I'd be perfectly happy.
I didnt say that either...that i care more about the Big 10's general perception over UM....yes, it would be great to lord over the league a la memphis, but thats not realistic....the league has too many excellent athletic programs.
I have been a Big 10 fan my whole life, and I will always cheer for their teams in the basketball tournament.
Seriously, all the shit thrown at the league during Bubble discussion...it's good to see the league have a solid tournament and its champion advance into the Final Four.
Beilein's rebuilding project wont be hurt by this. At all. Yes, the programs are going head to head with Zeigler.....but our chances for him have increased ten-fold based on the winning, tournament season UM just put in the books. And, MSU winning does not take away from that as they're doing what they always do--win in March.
here's the deal....UM's future success in basketball will be done in spite of MSU, not at their expense.
So, I have no qualms saying this a good moment for our conference.....and, I dont need to spend any time measuring my manhood like some of the others apparently do.
We don't know that any success we hopefully enjoy won't come at their expense. The two programs have basically never been good at the same time. From the mid-1970s (if not earlier) there's been an incredible yin and yang between the two . . . whenever one is good, the other isn't. That makes me uneasy watching them clinch a Final Four bid. The only way I can see this run being good for us is if it persuades Kalin Lucas to go pro.
Means it's completely impossible? Did you ever stop and think that there were extenuating circumstances causing neither to be good at the same time? Of that it was one big coincidence? I'm going to go ahead and assume MSU is going to remain this good and that if Michigan is going to be good, Michigan State will be as well.
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But we can see that UNC and Duke manage to be good simultaneously within the same state and couldn't that be possible elsewhere?
They've been good at the same time quite frequently.
In 1986, UM was #2 seed in the tournament; MSU made it to the Sweet 16.
In 1990, UM was a #3 seed and MSU--the league champ--was a #1 seed....and, almost lost to Murray State in the first round..
During the Fab Five years, MSU made the tournament with Shawn Respert.
From 1985 through 1998--the UM hoops era--MSU won as many Big 10 titles as UM, and they made a lot of tournaments. MSU was good in that era, often really good.
Michigan can win big in hoops and so can MSU....in fact, I think it would be a gas if in the next 10 years, Big 10 hoops was dominated by the Michigan schools.
I think UM being out of the equation helped MSU gain some unfettered dominance....but they're not going anywhere now that they're established.
Michigan's rise wont push MSU down the ladder...if anything it will make them better in March as they'll have stronger competition within the league.
...as I stated in my O.P.....my investment counts for something.
I have NO problem betting on Tom Izzo in March and pulling out the Green and White pom-poms......and, for that matter, have no problem betting against UM when it warranted.
I won that big 10 win total bet thanks to Sparty this weekend....so I had plenty of reasons to pull for MSU this weekend.
I am not 12 anymore. I dont panic the sports world is coming to an end because a "rival" school has success. Thats something for school kids and lame partisan fans to worry about.
I'm excited for MSU....in fact, I got a green shirt on today.....have called several MSU fans and high fived them over the phone....in fact, when I go up to Detroit for Final Four activities, I might even try and flirt and get lucky with Lady Sparties....well, after a few drinks, that is.
please go throw your Michigan gear in a burning down house they will invariably set on fire in Detroit.
Kiss My Behind.....while I count the dollars won on Sparty this weekend.
Karpo, just because you got beat up in high school by all the other Troy kids who went to State doesn't mean you need to flame out about it on this board.
MSU is good, this makes the Big Ten look legit. In our last class, we have one in-state recruit. We will battle some with Izzo, but the difference between MSU being in the Final Four as opposed to the Elite 8 in one particular year makes a negligible difference at best.
I couldn't disagree more.
so we've heard.
With the first paragraph or the second? I'm actually more confident in the first.
If you'd like to clarify this with me personally, shoot me an e-mail.
are you challenging him to an honor du-el?
than that Ghost of Graham guy that I ripped apart this morning.
Does anyone else see the self-centeredness of all these posts and threads about MSU's basketball success and what it has to do with Michigan? My world may revolve around Michigan, but the real one does not. So what does MSU's trip to the Final Four have to do with us? In the end: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
We have a winner.