For the 5th time, which is a solid career. We all love him. Is this guy a HOFer?
Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
That is a good question. He has had a solid career, but how does he compare to other hall of fame db's and to other db's in his generation.
No, he's a bust. Peyton Manning should have won the Heisman.
Is that sarcasm? Going to 5 probowls does not make him a bust. He has been a solid cb in his tenure so far in the NFL.
I think the second sentence verifies the sarcasm.
But seriously, Manning was the obvious heir to the Heisman that year -- he ended up playing like garbage in his bowl game, while Woodson played very well.
I don't get it. The Heisman is handed out at the beginning of December, not after the bowls. What do bowl performances have to do with it?
weighs 80 pounds. He'd be much faster if it was lighter, but he wouldn't be as badass, so he just makes do.
If Charles Woodson retired today, he would not be a Hall of Famer. He might earn that distinction if he plays for several more years, but I'm guessing there are plenty of guys who made 5 Pro Bowls who aren't in the Hall of Fame.
There was also a significant portion of his career where he was injured and/or underachieving in Oakland, and usually Hall of Famers don't spend time as non-contributors in the middle of their career. They might sit when they're rookies or become part-time players as they age, but they don't spend the prime period of their careers at odds with their coaches, asking to leave the team, etc.
Randy Moss did that in Oakland. He was just lucky enough to not stay there too long. Oakland is where great football players go to die.
He has pretty much been injured his entire NFL career. From what I understand turf toe is something that never goes away. For A while there in Oakland they said he used to ride the stationary bike all week during practice and only take to the field on Sundays.
He probably should have made it last year too, but Harris had a great season and they apparently weren't going to name two Green Bay corners. I still think if they had put Woodson over Plaxico in the NFC Champ game it would have been Green Bay in the Super Bowl instead of NY.
C-Wood will be a Hall of Famer, definitely in South Bend, if not in Canton.
South Bend no doubt. Canton is more what I was asking.
with a *life time achievement* award. Trust me....Charles deserved winning the heisman. His jr season still carry weight with some recruits.
Living in the south...I'm amazed how those sentiments of *Manning was rob*still echos
Exactly. Manning wasn't "robbed" -- there was a huge groundswell of support for Woodson, because if any defensive player were ever going to win the Heisman, it was going to be him. The major split over Manning and the Heisman was between the rest of the country and the South.
Woodson was a top-3 corner for a few years in Oakland, but nobody noticed because it was, well, Oakland. But I agree that he never dominated quite like he did in college. That said, I don't know how you determine those second-tier HOF'ers in sports, like Kirby Puckett and Ryne Sandberg in baseball or Joe D and Adrian Dantley in basketball, especially in football where your team's style of play, the players around you, etc. can have a huge impact on how well you play. With corners, if your line cannot get pressure, you are going to be picked apart over the course of a game - that's just a fact. In Woodson's case, when his team had a decent pass rush (like the year Raiders did in early 2000's), he was certainly one of the best corners in the league. Would I say he reached the level of Deion, Darrell Green, or Ronnie Lott - no. But I also think he played in an era where teams passed more, receivers were far more physically imposing, and the rules were skewed toward offense and making a CB's job harder. He did battle injuries, but so did a number of other HOF'ers, and longevity doesn't seem to be as big of a limiting factor in football than it does in other sports. So all that said, I wouldn't call him a first-ballot HOFer, but I think he deserves a bust in Canton when it is all said and done.
If he retired today, he wouldn't be a Hall of Famer.
If he plays 2-3 more years, gets to 50 career ints, and earns another pro bowl and 1st team all pro then he would have a decent shot.
There are currently 19 defensive backs in the Hall of Fame, and only 11 cornerbacks. Is Charles Woodson one of the best 12 NFL corners in history?
Also, I didn't do the calculation, but it looks like the average HOF defensive back has 50+ career interceptions. Woodson currently has 34.
Also, Woodson might be hamstrung by the fact that he a) has a career-high of 8 interceptions, whereas others have had 10 or 12 in a particular season and b) he hasn't played on very good teams. The Raiders were pretty good and then started heading south, and the Packers are mediocre. It's not like Woodson has been playing for the Steel Curtain defense of the '70's or the Dallas Cowboys of the early '90's.
Like I said, he might make it if he plays for several more years and has a couple more good seasons. But if he retired now or even in a year, he wouldn't make it.
He doesn't make it, barring a late career surge in INTs or some sort of "holy shit" performance in a Super Bowl.
And, while I love him, I don't think he's one of the 12 best CBs in NFL history.
I wonder how his legacy would have changed if the tuck rule didn't exist and he was the guy that won the AFC Championship for the Raiders, however.
But if that happened, would Tom Brady be Tom Brady?
I'm fine with Tom Brady not being Tom Brady, but that's probably a minority opinion.
Honestly, I'd rather have Tom Brady be a Hall of Famer (which he almost assuredly is) than Woodson.
For whatever reason, I do think it sounds better for your school to have a QB Hall of Famer than a CB Hall of Famer. Maybe just because QB is a little more of a glamour position.
But I also agree because Woodson has been deemed a bit of a malcontent at times in Oakland, while Tom Brady is pretty much everyone's Golden Boy (unless you're a fan of the Jets, Dolphins, Bills, or Colts).