Oh my effing goodness..
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
A much-needed boost to Michigan's offensive line is apparently headed to the worst possible place:
Alabama transfer Chad Lindsay is expected to sign with Ohio State, per source. Buckeyes get new center for Braxton Miller
— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerCBS) April 22, 2014
Well played, Urban.
Running around in a circle is a little over the top, but only a little. That Lindsay rejected his former OC and an almost certain starting spot is alarming, and now Michigan enters next year with zero senior scholarship OL.
Oh my effing goodness..
This sucks, because we didn't get a recruit we really wanted that probably would have helped us immediately.
But Ohio had a starting spot to offer as well, is coming off of a much better season, and is a program in much better shape than ours, currently.
Linsay is strictly interested in football right now, and it's hard to argue we have a better program than Ohio. I don't think this is "alarming" in terms of recruiting, just representative of what happens when you go 15-11 over two years.
Hoke and staff has demonstrated they can recruit; now they must prove they can win.
w admission standards?
always our fall back position?
In this case, it's plausible. In order to grad transfer your new school has to have a program your current school does not. You also have to be granted admission to sed program.
Michigan doesn't exactly have bullshit grad programs in basketweaving. Rackham is also not the easiest thing to get into.
but there are other good schools out there. And I suspect you overstate both the athlete transfer and grad admissions process. No bullshit.
Also, we wouldn't have been recruiting him or would have stopped recruiting him if we didn't think we could get him in.
Listen, I think the most likely reason is he flat out picked OSU. Why wouldn't he? They've lost 2 games in 2 years and have a potential juggernaught of an offense coming this year. We've lost 11 games in 2 years and don't know how to run forward. No Bullshit.
That being said, the academics argument is plausable. No Bullshit.
Nothing was overstated, those are the rules, plain and simple. You have to have never transfered before, have one year of eligibility left, have finished your undergrad degree, and be seeking a graduate degree in a field that your current school does not offer. No Bullshit.
As for gaining admission to Michigan grad school, they don't make the same exceptions that the undergrad programs do to get athletes in. Nor should they. No Bullshit.
And it's not like we've never recruited players before who ended up not getting passed the academic/institutional road blocks. No Bullshit.
Your admissions argument would only hold water if the guy had been turned down at Michigan, and so went to OSU. In fact, he didn't even apply at Michigan. The argument that he didn't even apply because he was afraid of rejection doesn't fly.
If he wanted to come to Michigan but was not sure he could get in, there was nothing stopping him from applying and finding out. There's no particular rush here; if he couldn't get accepted at Michigan, there was plenty of time to apply at OSU.
/s - just wanted to say Bullshit on the Internetz.
Yes, it is, and I'm fucking sick of it. Michigan needs to loosen its academic standards, at least for athletes. I'm sick of losing the chance for good players just because he has worse grades than someone else.
I like your attitude....and will have what you're having.
Michigan's starters aren't any good.
Michigan's starters didn't play well last season.
That wasn't that hard.
A distinction without a difference.
You are the sum of your actions.
They may BE good someday, but so far - they are what they've put on the field.
Yeah I was just suggesting taking a different tact, one that does not include being an asshole to current Michigan Wolverine football players.
Welp, guess the guys we have better step it up.
Yepppp... thats where the program is at these days. Thought the days of darkness left and went to Arizona. Guess not.
Looks like we are going to have to ride this roller coaster out.....
It's not all on RichRod, but the crappy 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes are not helping matters. We should not be in a position where we're hoping for a grad student transfer to bail out the OL.
It's certainly not all on Rich Rod. But that situation played a biga part in all of this, some his fault and some not. He did not recruit well, and he did not retain recruits well, that we know, and that has led to less success.
RichRod's biggest problem wasn't recruiting, it was player retention. His classes looked OK in February, but a lot of them didn't make it to campus or left soon thereafter. His 2010 class of 27 was down to 9 guys by last fall.
If he recruited a bunch of kids who either didn't make it to campus or couldn't hack it and left, sounds like recruiting was his biggest problem.
That type of attrition is not unusual following a coaching change. Especially when the new staff has a different style or play than the previous staff. The real problem is that it happened when RichRod arrived too, so it is the second roster purging in a 5-6 year span. Stuff like that leaves a program in permanent rebuilding mode.
I know it is all doom and gloom around here, but it's not like he's going to OSU to be a back-up. OSU should be a good team next year, and have space.
supposed to make us feel any better?
Not supposed to make anyone feel better; everyone here is a UM football fan. You should be used to a moderate amount of disappointment. Just pointing out that he's going to a situation that makes 100% sense for him. He's not picking OSU despite them having some incumbent in front of him.
Of needing to prove itself. The only way to do that is win most of the games this year. Report card and any further action pending. Most winners like a challenge and come away victorious.
Taylor Lewan stayed an extra year and fell in the draft. Draft may not be on this guy's mind, but anyone shopping around for a place will look at something like that.
This will pass. We were looking for a short-term fix for a medium-term problem and it didn't work out. My litmus test for '14 isn't how good the line plays out of the gate but how well they progress over the season. This makes it rougher but it doesn't change what everyone has to do.
is that he knew he wouldn't be able to crack that starting interior lineup of Kalis, Glasgow, and Bosch. Too intimidating for him, for sure.
Just win games.
know man. I just don't know.
I keep searching for my passionate Michigan football fandom but I am starting to get the feeling that I misplaced it somewhere during the middle of the 3rd quarter against State last year. The hits just keep on coming and I am becomming surprisingly and alarmingly numb to all of it.
I started watching that game on BTN replay a couple hours ago. I'm home from work sick and thought maybe I could learn more about what caused our young OL to collapse so spectacularly. After the first drive I turned it off and took a nap. It had a much better outcome.
...It was around the 2nd quarter of that game where I realized I was little brother for real.
What were the chanes he was going to be admitted here? I honestly don't know. I just know UM rarely can take JuCo transfers and hasn't had a grad player since....ever?
Not saying he wasn't allowed in to UM, just curious if that had ANYTHING to do with it? If you know....
I'm not sure why this was downvoted, but you raise a valid point. Many fans point to the rigorous academic standards at UofM as a selling point that a good education can be had here. This comes with the fact that some aren't admitted. I'm thinking that grad school admittance is a bit more difficult than undergrad admittance.
to get admitted into Michigan, Hoke wouldn't have recruited him to begin with.
Michigan's academic standards aren't that rigorous. They're the same as any team in the country. If they're rigorous, most of the players on the team wouldn't be playing for Michigan.
First of all- grad school transfers and Juco's are not even close to the same thing. I can't imagine that UM could not find a grad program that would admit Lindsey. This was a simple recruiting battle that Michigan just plain lost to Ohio. Lets not pretend it is anything more than that.
No one is pretending. I just asked a question.
It is a legit question. Why have we never signed a grad student the ?
"This was a simple recruiting battle that Michigan just plain lost to Ohio."
What do the Bobcats have to do with any of this?
That is why I asked the question. N be seems to address it. The academic standards for undergrad may not be rigorous, but could be for grad school.
I firmly believe Michigan's standards for undergrad football players are the same as elsewhere. But, their standards for Juco players is clearly different. Who is to say that the grad student requirements are either the same as everyone or different?
I don't know and that s why I asked. You seem to assume, but you don't know.
People like to project our undergrad admission requirements (vast difference between us and OHIO) onto the athletic department's (not so much). Our sense of superiority is really based on the outlying academic reputation, not what we do with our "student-athletes."
Get with the times, Gladstone. Ohio State raised its undergrad admissions standards, including for athletes, over a decade ago. The Buckeyes are much closer in that regard than you think. In fact, they miss out on potential recruits every year because the OSU Admissions Dept won't allow the coaches to offer a scholarship. Potential recruits who end up at other B1G schools or BCS schools because they could not meet OSU's standards. Javon Ringer is a perfect example. Yes, there was a time when Ohio State would accept anyone with a high school diploma and a pulse. Getting out with a degree was the trick...that has never been easy. But those days of low incomming standards are long gone.
As for Ohio, I don't think the Bobcats' standards are quite so high.
If he's playing for OSU he sucks, and we never wanted him in the first place. What a loser.
Crash, you're saying that UM went after this guy, with Nussmeier knowing him personally after having coached him for the past two years, because he sucks? That UM offered him because they don't want him? Man, those are some sour ass grapes.
That's concerning. Someone let me know when it's about time for basketball to start. I'd rather not witness football this year.
If we collectively can survive the RR years, next year will be glorious by comparison. At least we should be competitive in every game and win more than we lose. NOTHING could be worse than watching Michigan getting thumped in the Big House like we saw back then. So, I plan to be optimistic at least.