Chain of transmission. Burke called up morris frequently this year, especially during his draft decision.
fair point that
It's been a long time, Henri, the otter of ennui. I hate you.
Trey Burke is leaving Michigan after just one season.
The Wolverines point guard, according to sources, is expected to forgo his remaining three years of eligibility and declare for the NBA.
Article also says Michigan's bringing Spike Albrecht in Thursday. You have permission to panic.
UPDATE: Nick Baumgardner pinged Burke's dad and got this in a text:
Benji Burke tells AnnArbor.com that "Trey has not declared"
I'll be in the bomb shelter.
UPDATE II: Burke's father also has a twitter account:
Trey Burke has not declared for the NBA draft. He is still enrolled at the University of Michigan.
UPDATE III: I have an unconfirmed email from a guy who isn't established with me stating that Burke already has his evaluation, that it's 20-35, and is gone. He's got enough of an online presence that I can confirm he's an alum with a plausible route to that information, but again: unconfirmed, not established. Given the way the wind is blowing I don't doubt it.
Chain of transmission. Burke called up morris frequently this year, especially during his draft decision.
I give up.
TIME TO PANIC.
Not going to lie to all of you if I said I wasn't in the fetal position at work right now. We have NO PG for next year if he leaves. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
Don't care how much talent you have elsewhere... don't have the talent at the position with the most touches and who gets those other people the ball... expectations just crash landed in my opinion for next year.
At least when DMo went to the NBA we had Trey coming in with some good pub coming in. I'm afraid that if we have another lower than expectations season it will significantly hurt our recruiting and push us into mediocrity for the forseeable future...
I hope I'm wrong.
Commence thumb in mouth holding blanket.
How does this hurt recruiting? I don't get this logic. Let's see, Beilein has coached-up two 3.5* point guards who ended up turning pro as underclassmen. Has any other coach/program done this?
If anything, it states that Beilein does in fact improve players' games beyond their initial evaluations. Morris and Burke to NBA and guys like Novak/Douglass improving beyond all expectations.
Haven' t you been paying attention?
Schools that churn out early entrants like UNC, UK, and KU are all terrible at basketball.
Neither point guard has played in the NBA yet. Garbage minutes don't count.
HE'S A BUCKEYE OPERATIVE!
I feel like this undoes so much of the good thats happened to this program lately....Beilein's got a retention problem--I dont know what it is but you cant be losing players like this.
Poor Henri, the otter of ennui. He’s just as upset over this news as you are. Not to mention his battles with chronic depression. All he needs is some love, and here you are professing your hate for him. That’s low, Brian.
Given Benji Burke's update, shouldn't this post be taken down?
See: Brian's twitter
Benji Burke's answer is non-responsive. Just because he hasn't declared yet doesn't mean that he won't declare in the next few days...
If Benji Burke is telling us no decision has been made, there is no reason to disbelieve that. He is a more authoritative source than CBS or Brian's mystery emailer. If he tells the public, "don't report that my son is gone," I don't really think the blog should.
“He hasn’t declared” does not equal he hasn’t decided. I think we need to accept that Trey is gone.
what gives u that idea
Some people are being ridiculous here, easy on the kid. He has a chance to live his dream, more power to him. He got us a share of the title and that is bad ass, thanks to Burke for that.
Though I agree with the majority in that this is not the right decision
There is no other reason why he would leave. If he's been talking with Morris all year, or part of the year, he's probably been told that it's a good idea to leave; for whatever reasons. The whole episode/comments of "it's amazing how fast people can turn against you", probably talking about fans et. al. shows he was ready to bolt. Terrible decision but when you have your mind made up it's tough to reverse the decision that's in your head.
Can we just get Darius Morris back from the d-league and call it square?
If people think that the epidemic of having kids leave too early to questionable draft prospects is somehow unique to Michigan, you're being completely ignorant.
Just getting that out there.
This, in a nutshell, is why the quality of play in college basketball is awful, and mid-majors are more dangerous than ever: anyone that demonstrates an ounce of aptitude is gone before they hit 20.
I agree. I think what's happening here is basically this:
We're a football school, and having paid relatively little attention to college basketball over the past 15 years, we collectively missed the memo that college basketball isn't what it used to be (and isn't what college football is).
Your post would have been accurate a few years ago when people joked about Amaker's VHS player, but the $52 million Crisler Center renovation puts that to rest. The facilities are now on par with the top programs in the country.
It's not because we're a football school, it's not because of Beilein. It's because kids today (1) don't want to be coached and (2) it's about getting to the League and in today's messed up world, staying longer only hurts your chances.
You just agreed with him, man.
If, as David Stern claims, the NBA offered to insure elite college players only to be turned down by the NCAA, then that is...unfortunate. Because, as you say, college basketball just ain't what it used to be.
Yeah. When I read that, I about did a spit-take.
I don't get it. He isn't blessed with the size or talent that would make him a top draft pick and he hasn't developed his game enough to be relied upon as a point guard in the NBA. Teams are willing to teach players and be patient but you have to have the right physical tools first. For example, the Celtics drafted Avery Bradley 19th overall two years ago and he is just now starting to catch on in the rotation. The difference between Bradley and Burke is 3 inches of height and, to put it frankly, a pretty wide gap in athleticism.
I think Burke's best shot of sticking in the NBA would have been to play all 4 years and really learn how to play the point guard position because his talent alone can't carry him.
Why can't he learn how to play point guard on an NBA bench? Or in NBDL games? Where there's no practice limitations and no classroom requirements?
He could theoretically learn the position on the bench in the NBA but I don't think there are any teams that want to invest a draft pick and a roster spot for that possibility. More likely, he would go undrafted and find his way onto a NBDL squad, which would also afford him the opportunity to learn the position, but there aren't a lot of success stories about guys making the transition to the NBA from the D League and being able to stick there.
Ugh, momentum is so fleeting.
are still frowning on us after all these years. We still can't get a break. Good luck Trey.
Who the hell bounces when it's confirmed by everyone that he won't even sniff the lottery. We just went from elite 8 potential to NIT.
Good luck Trey.
for 20 years and not sniff the lottery.
About 35 to 40 kids a year do.
This is an enormous blow to Michigan's basketball prospects for the 2012-13 season, but let's not exaggerate the impact beyond then (assuming that he would have left after next year if not now).
We're still going to have a very young, very talented team next year. That youth, coupled with a gaping hole at point guard, probably will keep us from being a serious Big Ten contender next season, but there's no reason to believe that the short-to-medium-term outlook doesn't remain extremely bright.
I don't see how you can say this. So say we get a PG recruit that is good enough to start and not be at a "freshman" level in 2013-2014. You then lose the 2012-2013 season and most likely the 2013-2014 season going through his growing pains in his freshman year (assuming that the new PG trends toward the mean of "avg freshman PG" and we probably won't catch lightning in a bottle THREE times in a row like we did with Burke and DMo). By then THJ is gone, McGary and GRIII may or may not be around, and you start at ground zero once again... 2 straight years of mediocrity can absolutely hurt your recruiting and commit you to being mediocre for the forseeable future.
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but without a PG to reload with on the roster and has NO idea of the current complicated system Beilein runs... this is trouble no matter how you look at it.
It's not popular to say this, but I really do not wish him well at the next level. I'll go even further. I hope he fails miserably at the next level. That would make me feel good.
popular with other assholes
But I really do not wish your points well. I'll go even further. I'll take them away. That would make me feel good.
Cue the Shawn Mullins music.
And miserable. Drinking thread anyone? Always makes me happier!
Doesn't have NBA size. Le'ts hope its not true or he reconsiders.
If the thing stopping him from having a good NBA draft grade is size, and he wants to be a professional basketball player (he does), what motivation does he have to stay in college? College won't make him taller. He might as well go make money now.
Not much money unless it's 1st round money or if he doesn't make a NBA roster.
Europe and southeast asia still pay over $100K a year plus living expenses. Especially for former All-Americans.
The goal is to play for a NBA team, not a southeast Asia or Euro team.
The money differences between the 2 are astronomical.
The NCAA tournament has thousands of times the amount of exposure as any professional game abroad combined.
I think he would prefer to live in the US for 1 more year, make 1st round money, and remain in the US to play in the NBA where he can possibly win a championship.
"The goal is to play for a NBA team, not a southeast Asia or Euro team."
Have you spoken to him? I don't know what his goal is. Regardless, he will almost assuredly be drafted, and be on an NBA roster this year.
"I think he would prefer to live in the US for 1 more year, make 1st round money, and remain in the US to play in the NBA where he can possibly win a championship."
Well, then you're clearly wrong, because either:
a) He will be a first rounder
b) He would not prefer to wait and be a first-rounder (I guarantee you he know more about his draft prospects than you do)
c) He feels like his height is a prohibitor from him EVER being a first rounder, so he may as well go now
d) He figures that regardless of where he is drafted, if he's good enough, he will play. This is almost assuredly true.
Further, your comment was that "it's not much money unless he's a first rounder". Making over six figures is, to most people, a pretty solid amount of money. Is it Lebron money? No.
This is so wrong on so many levels.
1) He has absolutely no guarantee of being drafted. Late first round picks, especially with major questions about their size, have a way of dropping like stones on draft day. Also, Manny Harris,
2) I guaranetee he's doing the usual dumb athlete routine of listening to his hangers-on instead of a reliable source for his draft position. The general public is probably much more realistic about his draft prospects.
3) A monster NCAA tourney can do wonders to boost a player's resume. NBA GM's are people after all, and like everyone else they are prone to favor players who have been playing well recently. Stephen Curry anyone?
4) He's not even good enough to outplay Aaron Craft. What on Earth would convince him that he'd be better against a higher level of competition?