so much for that
Burke Departure: Possible
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Trey Burke may have said he'd be back next year in the immediate aftermath of Michigan's ouster from the NCAA tourney, but those things are always subject to change once the emotion of a tough loss wears off.
It has, and now Burke's dad is saying stuff like this:
"We figured we had to at least see what's going on," Benji said. "That's where we're at. We're wanting to see where we're at and go from there.
"Trey just got to Ann Arbor. We just got here, and now we're talking about him leaving. It's just tough, it's a tough decision but hopefully we'll be back in Crisler this year. ... As of now, we're coming back. But anything can change. We're open."
That AnnArbor.com article is headlined "Burke to look into NBA draft stock, still leaning towards staying." The analogous article at the Free Press is of course titled "Trey Burke strongly considering leaving Michigan for NBA draft," because obviously. Pick your probability from amongst options.
Burke's dad says he's had reports that Trey could go anywhere from 18-24th overall. That is greatly divergent from draft boards maintained by Chad Ford (where he ranks 72nd) and Draft Express (not in the top 100, last pick of the first round in their 2013 mock) and could be agents trying to get a kid to sign; that's why they have advisory boards.
I don't think Burke's in a situation like Darius Morris, who left with full knowledge he probably wouldn't be a first-rounder, but at this point any Michigan fan who's assuming is doing the understandable thing.
If Burke does end up declaring Michigan is of course totally boned. At this point the #2 PG is either a walk-on or a 6'6" shooting guard who isn't even on campus yet. They'd probably get a transfer or late commit or something given the obvious opportunity but Trey Burkes don't grow on trees. With the NCAA moving up the withdrawal date over and over again at least we won't have to wait long to know: Burke is in or out by April 10th.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:12 PM | 
For my own sanity
For my own sanity
March 21st, 2012 at 9:04 PM |
Can't be optimistic.
Can't be optimistic.
Whoever it is, it seems like if they are looking, then they're going. Whether it is Darius, or any one of many recruits (Colorado kid went to Auburn recently, or Brionte to Ohio), or whoever; lately it has not come out Michigan's way.
It used to be more about Michigan and what it could do for the kid. Now it seems the other way around. Basketball worse of them all. Agents, money, and the me factor. That is why I like Brady so much. Beillien too. Sorry to say, as much as I liked Burke, if he goes , he goes, and welcome to the new guy who will take his place.
March 21st, 2012 at 11:16 PM |
who lied to his dad?
who lied to his dad?
That's what I want to know, right now.
I love his game, love his potential, but if you think Trey Burke is a first round pick, drafted between 18-24, you are sadly mistaken. Where do these kids get their information from, seriously? Every year, for as long as I remember, 100+ kids go pro .... and there are only TWO ROUNDS in the damn draft. That's 64 drafted players, and only the first rounders get guaranteed contracts -- AHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Dude, he can't be serious about leaving .. he can't.
March 22nd, 2012 at 7:51 AM |
Get Denard on the case
Get Denard on the case
We need Denard to sit down with Trey - STAT!
Should we point instead of fist pump during the Victors?
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:43 AM |
Mark Snyder.
Mark Snyder.
If you read Mark Snyder's article, it is pretty fair, and reasonably well-written.
Regarding the headline, which I will bet dollars-to-doughnuts that Snyder did not write, it is every bit as disgracefully hysterical as Brian Cook suggests. "Because obviously."
A good friend asked me about the Snyder story and the Free Press headline yesterday, and that is what I told him. I don't think the Free Press is out to "get" Michigan. I think the Free Press would like nothing better than a Michigan championship in something. it would be the kind of news that sells papers and website hits. The Trey Burke story has dominated the Freep.com's "Most Popular" list since it broke. And the rest of the Top 10 list is almost entirely Michigan and Michigan State basketball and football stories.
College athletics is money for the Free Press. I don't think that the Free Press has any vendetta against Michigan, per se. Drew Sharp does, but Drew Sharp has an issue with most organized things. Sharp, Snyder and Rosenberg all got their college degrees at Michigan.
There was and still is a vendetta at the Free Press, and it was personalized, as to Rich Rodriguez. That animus was such a powerful motive for Rosenberg and Snyder that they didn't care if they hurt Michigan's football program, as they surely did.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:13 PM |
Coach Hoke will just point at
Coach Hoke will just point at
Coach Hoke will just point at Burke and he will stay.
"But in the tire fire that was last year's secondary he showed a little spark." - Brian Cook
March 21st, 2012 at 6:13 PM |
I go to work at 3, and
I go to work at 3, and
I go to work at 3, and everything is fine. 3 hours later I check everything, and it's Basketball Armageddon
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
March 21st, 2012 at 7:02 PM |
Well fergodsakes, quit being
Well fergodsakes, quit being
Well fergodsakes, quit being a dick and quit your job already so we can have a basketball team next year.
March 21st, 2012 at 8:44 PM |
I know how you feel.
I know how you feel.
The one day I'm not checking every five minutes to see if there's any news and all hell breaks loose.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
March 21st, 2012 at 6:14 PM |
I hate the NBA.
I hate the NBA.
I hate the NBA.
Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU: 68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC: 20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:38 AM |
I hope the old posbang system
I hope the old posbang system
I hope the old posbang system comes back one day, so that posts like this could get the extra 500 Mgopoints they deserve.
I automatically downvote "B1G"
March 21st, 2012 at 6:14 PM |
Hmm...well...
Hmm...well...
...it's not much but the good news that some blueberry confiture from Verbier just arrived on my desk. I'm really looking forward to breakfast now!
March 21st, 2012 at 6:15 PM |
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'Murica & Footbaw: That's what Michigan Does
March 21st, 2012 at 6:16 PM |
Panic? Panic
Panic? Panic
Panic? Panic. Next thing we know the 2012 recruits aint coming...
Those Who Stay Will Be Champions
March 21st, 2012 at 6:21 PM |
I posted this in another
I posted this in another
I posted this in another thread and it sums up my thoughts.
I think Burke is better than Morris or Manny
I think Burke might go in the first round and so does he, which is why he is checking it out to find out what the real evaluations for him are. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Burke go and get drafted in the first round
Burke is not the quickest PG out there but he is well built, strong, smart, committed and highly skilled. He might just be a really good NBA PG. He is more in the Andre Miller mode in that he is not fast but he might just be quick enough to be effective. Then again Burke's game may not translate to the NBA, but he will not greatly enhance his draft status by coming back again next season IMO
My boy Royce White on Iowa State recently jumped 81 spots on one sites recruiting ranking, going from 101 to 20 in the upcoming NBA draft after his NCAA performance, so Burke's status could change greatly by time the draft rolls around.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:35 PM |
The Kid
The Kid
Just played 2 of his worst games of the whole season to end the season. NBA folks will have to notice that.
"Better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football" -- John Heisman
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 AM |
no, they won't.
no, they won't.
i could list...oh...a THOUSAND guys who were unproductive and / or disappointing in college but who became first round picks. the opposite is also true - guys who were terrific in college but never got legitimate shots at the nba. actual game performance - particularly on a game-to-game basis - means next to nothing.
nba scouting is all about potential, to an absurd degree.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:38 PM |
Trey Burke might be a better
Trey Burke might be a better
Trey Burke might be a better college player than either of those guys, but I don't know if he's a better pro prospect. Burke is a better scorer than Morris, both from long range and driving to the basket. However, he's 5 inches shorter, and he doesn't have the athleticism to make up for it.
Even if he's a slightly better pro prospect at this point than either of those two, that isn't saying much, since Manny and Morris are hanging onto the NBA by their teeth right now.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:42 PM |
I don't get the Andre Miller
I don't get the Andre Miller
I don't get the Andre Miller analogy. Miller could be 'quick enough' because he was 6'4 and could see over the top of people. And Burke's much quicker and faster than Miller.
Burke's analogue is Tony Parker. He just needs to work on his ability to play fast and in control, which is the only real weakness in his offensive game. (Defensively, I think he needs some work). When he plays very fast, he tends to turn the ball over a bunch, as we saw against Ohio. Whether college or the pros is the best place to learn that, I'm not sure. Hopefully, he's smart enough to stay if he doesn't get a first round grade.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:49 PM |
I don't get the Tony Parker
I don't get the Tony Parker
I don't get the Tony Parker analogy, don't see it at all. The guy Burke really reminds me of 76'er great Maurice Cheeks not flashy but very effective. This is Burke's ceiling IMO. Mo Cheeks was an unheralded 2nd round pick out of West Texas State and one of the best PG's of his era.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:53 PM |
Mo Cheeks I can agree with,
Mo Cheeks I can agree with,
Mo Cheeks I can agree with, more of a passer, though. The Parker comparison is that they're both quick, slight PGs with the ability to blow by and well suited to a NBA-style 2 man game. Burke's shot is far better than Parker's when he came into the league. Parker's quicker.
March 21st, 2012 at 7:03 PM |
Well shoot, that's the
Well shoot, that's the
Well shoot, that's the problem, isn't it? Parker wasn't quick, he was supercollider quick. Trey is a good college basketball player who had some very good games and did things that most freshman don't do. But Tony Parker? Hell no.
EDIT: BTW, I'm agreeing with you.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 AM |
agree about the miller comparison
agree about the miller comparison
in terms of moderate speed yet andre miller has got 3-4 inches on him and some bulk - not that trey couldnt get there
March 21st, 2012 at 6:22 PM |
someone get everyone else on
someone get everyone else on
someone get everyone else on the team in a room, wrapped in bubble wrap, please.
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March 21st, 2012 at 9:24 PM |
Sigh...
Sigh...
I'm feeling all the stages at once.
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:27 PM |
Reason #2381 basketball sucks
Reason #2381 basketball sucks
Reason #2381 basketball sucks
Those who commit will be Champions!
March 21st, 2012 at 6:34 PM |
PROTIP: If you think
PROTIP: If you think
PROTIP: If you think basketball sucks, don't open basketball threads.
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March 22nd, 2012 at 7:53 AM |
Seriously, though
Seriously, though
This shit has reminded me to keep my emotional distance from Michigan basketball. Even if I did enjoy watching basketball as much as I do football, dealing with the constant looming threat of the NBA is a real fucking pain in the ass. Because of the nature of the game, any individual attrition in basketball is exponentially more likely to fuck up an entire season, to boot. In football, even if your starting QB decides to up and transfer - which is an extremely rare event - you have more of an opportunity to recruit and develop depth behind him than you do for say, I don't know, the PG position in basketball. As someone points out later on, you're almost put in a position where you're rooting for your best players to struggle a bit in basketball. Fun times.
So yeah, college basketball does kinda suck. If it wasn't for the tournament, it would have a fan profile more similar to college baseball: a core group of committed diehards with little broad interest nationally. I realize that's a fairly mountainous hypothetical, but think of it this way: without the tournament, do any regular season college basketball games get televised nationally?
March 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 AM |
Fear of the unknown.
Lotsa
Fear of the unknown.
Lotsa
Fear of the unknown.
Lotsa games are televised nationally on an almost daily basis.
As far as Michigan Bball and attrition, the 3 guys lost yesterday will be replaced rather easily and even possibly with better players. Smot is the only player who played significant minutes among the three. M has 2 redshirt centers, (Horford and Bielfeldt) who will be available next year. Also 3 top ranked recruits coming aboard. Counting Novak and Stu, M loses 5 players and as of now stand to gain 5 players. If Ziegler and Amadeo decided to go Blue the team is actually stronger than before the 3 transfers. Future still quite bright.
March 22nd, 2012 at 10:33 AM |
I know perfectly well that
I know perfectly well that
I know perfectly well that lots of games are televised nationally, but my contention is that a national fan base for basketball only exists because of the tournament. As a side note, I'm guessing that the ratings for most of those games is less than impressive in most cases.
The overall talent level on the roster will be better next year, even if Burke leaves. But if he leaves, they have no point guard. So they won't be a better team. I'm not a basketball expert, but that seems difficult to dispute.
But the broader point is that even if we are better next year, it will be because of the outstanding performances of young players. Which will engender defection (or at least the possibility thereof) to the NBA. The impact of which can only be ameliorated by the influx of new players the following year.
I like to be able to watch the careers of guys like Junior Hemingway, David Molk, Chad Henne, Brian Griese. etc., etc. develop. I like not having to worry that players will not have too good a year. I know there are people who really like college basketball - my wife's one of them. I just don't really get the appeal.
March 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 AM |
Sounds to me, in my expert
Sounds to me, in my expert
Sounds to me, in my expert opinion, you just don't like college hoops. There is a good deal of attrition in football as well. This could be Taylor Lewan's last year in football, let's hope not. With the type of talen Hoke is bringing in, players leaving after their junior season will increase, it''s part of the deal of being good. Alabama football, Roll Damn Tide, is constantly refreshing their talent. Shane Morris will probably lead about 6 fellow junior teammates to the NFL, after they get their NC.
My advice, start following hoops, it will prepare you for the football exodus to come.
March 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 PM |
To me, the difference between
To me, the difference between
To me, the difference between juniors and freshmen leaving seems pretty significant. Also, as I said, 1 out of 85 is a lot different than 1 out of 14.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:27 PM |
The NBA can go suck a bag of
The NBA can go suck a bag of
The NBA can go suck a bag of dicks.
NTTAWTW
Hail to the college whose colors we wear,
Hurrah for the Yellow and Blue!
March 21st, 2012 at 7:00 PM |
Not that there's anything
Not that there's anything
Not that there's anything wrong that with?
March 21st, 2012 at 6:28 PM |
BURKE YOU SUCK
BURKE YOU SUCK
AND WONT GET DRAFTED
So that means, you'll stay right *under breath: because you're pretty awesome*
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March 21st, 2012 at 6:28 PM |
Not Ready
Not Ready
If his dad really said he's been projected anywhere from 18-24 that is so disappointing, he is not even close to that ready for the NBA. Neither was Morris and look how thats turning out now for him (Morris might get 2 or 3 years in the league and that's it).
These kids may be good, but they are not out-of-oven NBA ready the way parents or agents think they might be. Burke needs 2 more years of development before this should even be a discussion. Very sad to see really.
March 21st, 2012 at 9:23 PM |
Dad
Dad
Everybody loves Trey, but the only place he's projected to be picked 18 is benjiburkemockdraft.com.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:31 PM |
Brian,
Brian,
I think the drop dead date to delare and then come back is April 10th. He can declare up to April 29th. Because god hates us.
I expect nothing and therefore never disappointed.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:35 PM |
I think the solution is to
I think the solution is to
I think the solution is to stop recruiting guards who are only just good enough to get drafted but not good enough to single handedly win a championship.
March 21st, 2012 at 6:37 PM |
Ok. IF Burke leaves who runs
Ok. IF Burke leaves who runs
Ok. IF Burke leaves who runs the point next season. Are there any 2012 pg's still available?
March 21st, 2012 at 6:39 PM |
Trey Burke please don't
Trey Burke please don't
Trey Burke please don't go
Trey Burke please don't go
Trey Burke please don't go to the NBA
You know we need you so
Trey Burke please don't go
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!
March 21st, 2012 at 6:45 PM |
If I could mark this
If I could mark this
If I could mark this "Awesome" I would.
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March 21st, 2012 at 6:58 PM |
Amboy Dukes
Amboy Dukes
And Ted Nugent approve this post!
March 21st, 2012 at 7:31 PM |
Many have covered this song.
Many have covered this song.
Many have covered this song. I'm most familiar with the versions from the Nuge and Them (Van Morrison). Looked it up for my own edification: it's a 1935 song by BIg Joe Williams. Here's a 1941 recording:
Muddy Waters also covered it.
Them (Van Morrison)
Ted Nugent
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!
March 21st, 2012 at 8:49 PM |
Came up with a couple more
Came up with a couple more
Came up with a couple more verses:
Won a Big Ten 'ship
Won a Big Ten 'ship
Won a Big Ten 'ship, but left the dance too soon
You know we need you so
Trey Burke please don't go
Wanna make a run
Wanna make a run
Wanna make a run to the Final Four
You know we need you so
Trey Burke please don't go
(repeat versese 1 & 3)
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!
March 21st, 2012 at 6:42 PM |
Also, WHO THE FUCK looks
Also, WHO THE FUCK looks
Also, WHO THE FUCK looks Burke in the eye and tells him he has a long and bright future ahead of him in the NBA?
March 21st, 2012 at 7:16 PM |
Any of the many people that
Any of the many people that
Any of the many people that can make a buck off him as soon as possible.
March 21st, 2012 at 7:24 PM |
Duh!
Duh!
Duh!
March 21st, 2012 at 7:35 PM |
Caish
Caish
Hmmm, average rookie salary around $2.5 million, agent takes 3-5%. Find 5-10 kids to buy the hype, accept a lower salary for late pick (minimum $850k), and, boom, rake in hundreds of thousands. For being a manipulative snake in the grass. Pretty simple really. ..
"Oh they came to bury Michigan, but Michigan wasn't dead."
March 21st, 2012 at 7:47 PM |
Minimum $850k? Darius Morris
Minimum $850k? Darius Morris
Minimum $850k? Darius Morris got 473k this year, and he was a relatively early 2nd round pick. Once you're out of the first round, anything above half a mil is good.
For my own sanity, I'm chalking this up to a classic Mark Snyder troll and leaving it alone.
I will be a sad panda if Burke goes to the NBA...
Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.