still not over it in South Bend
This has been the hot rumor the past couple days and TomVH has confirmed that redshirt freshman safety/LB Brandon Smith has received transfer papers and is looking to move on. Hurray.
Smith was a top-100 "athlete" in the hybrid Rodriguez/Carr class who technically committed after the transition had been announced but, like JT Floyd, was a Carr recruit all the way who was just stringing out his commitment for reasons unknown. So this could be a "Carr guy" moving on to a place he'd rather be. In any case it's the departure of one of the most highly rated players in a class entering its third year at a position, be it linebacker or safety, of desperate need.
Smith didn't seem to be working out, as he was too big and slow for safety and spent his game as a quasi—linebacker starter on skates, but there's zero upside here. He could have put on 20-30 pounds easily—his "frame" was a reason he was rated so highly—and eventually turned into a contributor at linebacker. At the very least he would have been a relatively veteran body on a defense that needs every last potential contributor. BONUS: Michigan can't even add anyone to replace him because of a mysterious but apparently real oversigning change that prevents Big Ten teams from backdating players who enroll early*. DOUBLE BONUS: Before the season I took a look at Michigan's APR and concluded that sanctions resulting from transfers were unlikely, but the attrition has continued at a pace that makes me nervous.
*(Which will definitely help the struggling conference compete nationally.)
he is an excellent athlete but in football at Michigan...not so much
say that it is sad that he couldn't crack the two deep of the 2009 defense, but he was one of our best kick cover guys who certainly appeared more athletic than say Leach or Kovacs. I wish he would stay, but as long as he doesnt goto MSU or OSU, good luck to you sir.
This has been a rough start to the month.
I don't see the logic of the new rule. The practice of enrolling early would appear to be academically good for students and give freshman a better opportunity to play. I guess it increases the possibility of students being in college for 5 1/2 years but that didn't seem to hurt Van Wilder.
I just don't see the PURPOSE of the new rule.
it looks like part of the purpose is to punish those who allow excess attrition. that seems like good policy.
I'm ok with anybody transfering, but this is becoming a little much. The Big Ten rule is complete bull crap, and we should be able to sign more guys. It's just dumb that we can't sign enough guys to bring our team numbers up to par with other programs. It's not an excuse as to stopping us from winning, but we could miss out on some guys considering us that we can fit easily just because of a dumb rule.
It seems like this will cause more problems than solve. Teams may have to be like the Alabama's of the world and tell kids they are losing their spot if a more coveted recruit comes along. A team cannot hold open multiple schollies waiting for the big fish to commit as this could leave a couple open in the end. I can see how the Big 10 is trying to set a new standard but it will cause integrity to be lost in other places I think. Look at Smith transfering, for example. This could cause a team to refocus its recruiting to fill a new need. Lets say they find a good linebacker recruit that they need and want to replace Smith but don't have an open scholarship to use there. They may need to let some one go in order to fix this hole in the roster. This is putting the Big 10 at a huge disadvantage and it could cause rebuilding teams to take extra years to build up a quality depth chart. I vote nay for the new rule.
"Teams may have to be like the Alabama's of the world and tell kids they are losing their spot if a more coveted recruit comes along."
What are the specific rules related to this in recruiting? Can 'Bama and others really do this? Is this new, or has it always been this way? Is there a website I can visit to learn up?
It does suck that this kid is transferring. And it sort of double-secret-probation sucks that he's a defensive player. It even triple-dog-dare sucks that he's a good athlete. However, what are the normal numbers of kids who transfer from programs? It seems to me like a few kids transferring is pretty normal.
On the plus side, now I won't have those "What the HELL is Brandon Minor doing on special teams!!" moments anymore. Of course, Minor is a senior, so that wasn't going to happen anyway, but, you know what I mean.
Alabama has been finger waved at by many fans for bringing in larger than normal recruiting numbers in Saban's first couple years there. In 2008 they brought in 32 kids, 2009 they signed 27 but so far have only 22 this year. Bringing in 32 kids in Saban's first official class was what brought about such scrutiny as he would have to cut kids from the team to fit his new found studs. I was just speculating that this might become more the "norm" if the Big 10 is working on a different set of rules than the other power conferences.
BTW - you can look to rivals for sources here.
At least in terms of how many you can have in a class. I'll try to find a link. The article I saw said the SEC and the Big Ten were the only two conferences doing it.
Hmm -- the Big Ten and the SEC -- the two BCS conferences in which Nick Saban has been a head coach -- maybe we should just call this the Saban rule?
Don't know if the can't-back-date-Spring-arrivals rule is Big Ten only. It sounds like an NCAA rule to me.
He was one of the better special teams players with great potential. I have been waiting to see what he can do. Apparently it won't be in a Michigan uniform. Fuck a duck. Good luck Brandon.
When I suggested that Michigan's defense was decimated to the point that it would likely be ineffectual for years, I wasn't even counting on FURTHER decimation.
You can try to chalk this up to transition attrition, I guess, but when does the bleeding stop? It's been two years! Haven't these guys figured out by now what kind of program this is going to be under RR?
That's why I don't believe this is a Carr guy gone sour on the new era. I think this is a whole new kind of attrition, one that we've probably been lucky to avoid up to this point. I think this is the "we can't win before my eligibility runs out" type of attrition. You know, the kind Michigan State gets all the time from erstwhile sophomores after two close losses to Michigan and post-Michigan late-season nosedives which characterize the typical year in East Lansing?
That's not to say Michigan is certainly doomed to be a second-tier team for another three seasons. It doesn't need to be certain -- you just need a large enough minority to start believing it.
I don't find it that hard to imagine that this kind of thinking has gained traction among some players, especially from guys recruited with the understanding that coming to Michigan was almost a guaranteed Rose Bowl once in your career.
Normally I take the players' side in these things -- it's their lives, so what's that against my football team? I root for him on Saturdays, and maybe contribute some $$$ toward the program that pays his tuition (which is something he could get elsewhere); big whup.
But a few things I still can find insulting.
The timing of this one is what really grates me -- a lot more than previous defections.
This isn't a guy opting out of a dangerous mission before we march; it's a guy abandoning his post when we're in a shallow ditch and under fire.
Even if leaving is best for Brandon Smith, leaving now, when things are at their worst, is a much bigger betrayal to his fans, his coach, and teammates (in that order).
We're in a fucking foxhole, here. You don't just walk away.
I understand your point but this isn't war it's college football. These kids really don't owe their fans, teammates, or coaches shit. If they want to move on it is ultimately their decision and what is the point of being miserable. If a player expects to win at a certain school and the school is not winning, well hell, you only have fours years so you go somewhere else. Loyality is a bunch of bull in the world of sports. This could be the best decision he ever made, or the worst, who the hell knows. To chalk it up as inconsiderate or a betrayal is misplacing anger.
You could compare the successes of Chauncey Billups and Allen Iverson to test the validity of that statement
Loyalty is what makes a team. Otherwise it's just an accumulation of talent. B Smith isn't a loyal teammate so, to that end, I say "So long, kid. Don't let the door hit ya."
My practical side is more like "WTF arrrrrrgggggodamnit!"
with everything you said until you started blaming Bradon Smith. It is his decision; he is not getting paid. He signed up to goto the Rose Bowl, and right now, its looking like he might goto the Pizza Pizza Bowl...eventually.
Offense, I can understand. This is a very different system from what Carr ran. However, even last year, the D was not "that" different. You still had all the same pieces, just a different scheme. This year, the scheme used a few positions somewhat differently, but hey, so does USC who gets defensive 5* studs to play in that system where it piles those guys into the NFL.
This requires some serious introspection here since none of the arguments really hold beyond RR simply being different from Carr. I would start looking pretty hard at my position coaches and if there is/is not confidence from the players that they will get better. Can't beat the conditioning correct? Depth chart should look pretty good. Tradition, facilities, check. I don't know man, for me, this one has put the flashing red light on.
That is exactly what came to my mind while reading this. I am thinking this may be down to the position coach and the players lack of confidence in the coach making him the player he needs to be to make the league (I lack that same confidence in our position coaches).
RR needs to get over this "loyalty" he is showing some of these position coaches and get someone in here that knows how to develop talent. If all of them are back next year I will start to question things a bit more.
Love that analogy.
That should be the new motto on the MGoBlog Banner.
My dong just can't take many more punches...
I'm sorry people but he sucked. He might have gotten better, but is not a long term solution for anything. He isn't better than Mouton or Leach next year. And if one of the younger guys isn't better in 2 years we got serious issues.
Ah, the classic "He wasn't very good/we didn't need him anyway!" reaction after a transfer...
It's called depth. You need it. Every player who leaves this program leaves a gap somewhere.
I'm not saying it's great he left. Simply saying everyone who is freaking out should calm down. I highly doubt this will severely damage the team going forward. This is nothing near as bad as Warren leaving early.
When he wasn't filling in for guys who just weren't handling things defensively he was busy beasting on special teams. That alone is enough to make me miss him. He was always one of the guys getting the crew fired up before and after the nice special teams plays made.
He was a special teams demon. This kid had a ton of amazing hits on kickoff coverage. Also, when he was finally put in the game, he made a couple of important tackles filling in for Stevie Brown.
In many ways the new LB/S spot was ideally built for him.
No, you suck.
The rule change in the Big 10 was unwarranted. I understand that it was probably in response to Alabama kicking players off the team. I don't agree with this, and I don't want anyone in the Big 10 doing this.
But was it so likely to happen in the Big 10 that they had to put in a rule? Can you honestly see Fitzgerald, Ferentz, or any big ten coach doing this to their student-athletes? I can't, and until it actually DID happen, all it does is hurt programs who are trying to rebuild.
This seems like an experimental rule gone bad, kind of like the whole "Big 10 can suspend players for ANY non-football actions during a game" rule. Nice in theory, but horrible in practice.
nice troll bro
if you read the thread hardly anyone is doing what you suggest
Something's rotten in Ann Arbor.
The attrition is ridiculous. Either it's all the recruits/players faults or this staff just needs bushmen and hottentots out of the shadows of the coal mines of West Virginia to train.
This staff has shown ZERO capability to work with any of the talent they inherited (to the point where our fan base insists there WAS no talent in order to keep justifying this circus), the talent they've brought in, and the class of 2008, which was highly ranked but is shrinking by the day.
Folks, ya'll can keep rationalizing this stuff away--but this movie has nothing in store but a bad ending.
but i dont think its going to stop the mass negbang youll get for questioning our almighty savior coming to rescue us from the hellish regime of lloyd carr.
Players like Mallet, Manningham, and Arrington left the second RRod was hired and didn't give him a chance. They saw his WV offense and felt it wouldn't fit their style. They didn't let him change the offense before they left.
Then you have the Carr guys like Smith who were not recruited by RRod. It makes sense some will leave. They wanted to play for Carr and he's not here. Some guys don't fit the new system (like B. Smith) just don't fit the new system. In the old and slow Big 10 he could have been a safety. He, like Stevie Brown, no longer fit in a Big 10 secondary. I would have liked to see Smith playing the LB/S hybrid but he decided to leave.
Finally, you have some guys like Boren who's nickname starts with a D ends with an e with OUCH in the middle.
What talent did Lloyd leave RRod? On defense he left him 1 good DE and 1 good CB. Guess what... both are going to be first round picks this year. What talent has RRod wasted?
For the most part (minus getting kicked out because you deal drugs), every player has left on their own free will. How is that the coaches fault? Should they hold them hostage and not release them? Should they lie to the kid and say your guaranteed to start next year? Kids transferring can be due to a number of causes and jumping on RRod and blaming him points to your agenda. People like you, who attack RRod through off the field activities (like transfers, bull shit practice hours, etc.) are a bunch of scum and I really, really would like you to and your band of bitches and go root for the Spartans. Please go.
The NCAA counting players that go pro early or pre-graduation against the teams is incredibly dumb. I think the NCAA should encourage graduation and transfers to other schools shouldn't hurt the first school because the kids can still graduate. The SEC makes everything easier for their teams to succeed. The Big 10 has this incorrect image that they are above the SEC/ACC/Big 12 because they don't abuse the players. It's the NCAA. Lets just admit that the athletes are here only because they have to be and move on. The student-athlete no longer exists. These moronic rules (early enrollment and practice hours) are a thin guise by the Big 10 to cover up that they don't give a shit about football players. All they want is maximum profit before they can go pro.
you and everyone else who think you're entitled to call out people's fandoms can shut the f- up. honestly, its about time scum like you "and your band of bitches" go root for the spartans.
no where in this post has the OP said "i hate this team. rawww." godamnit. people like you and bouje drop these strawman arguments where, by golly, if you criticize richrod you MUST be a horrendous bandwagon fan.
i for one have supported this team from day one (even at a high financial cost to my already poor pockets) and still will. its time that assholes like you get off your high horse; you're not a better fan because you're too blind to see some of the shit thats been going on.
I agree with most of your post, though you come off as a douche for calling people bad fans for criticizing RR -- BUT, I have a hard time believing that Donovan Warren will be a first round pick.
2-4 corners go in the first round. Berry is a safety so he doesn't count. Can you name two better corners in the country then Warren? Haden of Florida is one and .....
Warren is the second best corner. He has size and speed. He can come up and make a tackle and he can pick off a ball. The kid is going between picks 15 and 31. If he wasn't going round 1 he'd be coming back to Michigan.
Just to show you here is a blog that has him going 12th (and it's the very first entry in google for mock draft 2010) http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
I will bet you $100 bucks he goes first round if he enters. Too many teams need CBs like Detroit, St. Louis, Tennessee, Buffalo, KC, San Fran, Atlanta, Houston, New York (Jets), Dallas, and Baltimore. No way do 2 CB's not get picked from those 11 teams. Please don't argue with me on the NFL draft. My roommate works for the NFL network on draft coverage and agrees with me that Warren is the 2nd CB coming off the board this spring.
"Please don't argue with me on the NFL draft. My roommate works for the NFL network on draft coverage and agrees with me that Warren is the 2nd CB coming off the board this spring. "
The thing about the NFL is there is things like free agency and trades. When a team has a need, it isn't like in college where they have to recruit, they can simply sign a free agent or make a trade to get it.
To say that Warren will go first round is a joke, I don't care who your friend is or who he works for. Maybe he is the second best corner (I highly doubt that he is though), but to get picked in the first round you need to be one of the 32 best players in the nation, and he is not.
You say he will go first round because many need corners, but they aren't going to take a third round corner in the first round just because they need one. To think they would is beyond absurd. Also, there will be a number of underclassmen entering the draft that will further decrease his stock.
And please....don't argue with me, I am a Doctor and I know what I am talking about. (sarcasm for those without meters)
That's the problem with Detroit. They draft players because of their necessities, not value. He may be the 2nd best corner but he is not 1st round value.
Just think about this. B. Graham is considered in the 20-30 range in this draft class and I see him way better that D. Warren. Now that's value.
I still wouldn't believe you. If you can identify an analyst who correctly predicted even the first round last year, please post it here because I can't think of one. I'm willing to bet it wasn't your roommate.
Working for the NFL network lifts nobody above reproach when it comes to draft speculation, least of all the employee's roommate. While a professional opinion (do we even know this guy gets paid for his opinion?) supporting your position might be probative, it does not warrant the "you can't argue with me" schtick.
I can't remember the name, but a former player spoke out when all this PracticeGate stuff was hitting the fan about the supporters of Rodriguez being so loud and vitriolic that it was drowning out most of the debate as to whether the guy was doing a good job. Attempts like this to marginalize any questioning of Rodriguez have more of a polarizing effect than anything Rosenberg or the Freep can do.
It seems that every bad thing related to Michigan football post 2000 has been the fault of one man--Lloyd Carr, head coach. Now the argement has somehow swung full circle, and with many, absolutely NOTHING is the fault of Rich Rodriguez, head coach.
You are right--I DON'T know why so many players have left (and will continue to do so). However, neither do you. I simply question the culture at the program now, while you give carte blanche to this staff and assume they are the victims in all this.
I think the results on and off the field speak for themelves--you seem willing to reason it all away with rationalizations that require quite a bit of leaping of faith. Rodriguez is now entering his second full off season. He has had time to make this team HIS--both the players he has recruited and the players left behind.
I also think it depends on the point of view one is willing to take WRT the state of the program when RR came in. Did we need a "change"? Well, I guess obviously we did. Did the program need to be blown up and started over? I don't think I'm alone in saying, "Aw, hellz no" An infusion of energy, a new offensive system, new S&C regimen? Who the hell can say for sure that what old UM was doing was so bad that it not only had to be junked, but it was bad enough to give a new coach a three-year free pass?
You know, to a LOT of UM fans (including those of us who have been around for about 35-40 years of watching UM), them's kind of fighting words. This was not a program in such decline that the baby had to be thrown out with the bathwater. To many, this was program that a shot in the arm would have been medicine enough. A new coach, a more lively playbook that maximizes the talent, and yep, a new workout program along the lines of what many schools do (of which, Barwis is no pioneer).
Ultimately, this may be the fault of those who hired Rodriguez--they may have put him in an untenable position that made HIS success almost impossible. Both parties obviously did not do their homework before the hire and the resulting mess has turned UM into a joke, and less than a shadow of its former self--and the way out is not in any way clear, nor is the future under Rodriguez bright enough yet to run out and buy sunglasses.
Appalachian State was not the sign of a program that needed a shot in the arm. That was the final horrifyingly visible symptom of a program and culture that had withered on the vine. Lloyd Carr is a good man and a good coach, but I think it is inarguable that his lack of energy over the last few years of his tenure has had disastrous results. Go look at those Decimated Defense posts, that kind of lazy recruiting is why Michigan is in the hole it is now. Is Rich Rodriguez a perfect coach for Michigan? Maybe not. Has he done everything right? Definitely not. But I guarantee you the man wants nothing more than to win like crazy. Everything he has done since he arrived here attests to that and to give him the short shrift because the roster is riddled with youth and inexperience does a great disservice to Michigan football.
Give it a fucking rest. I'm so goddamn tired of hearing about how this was the worst thing to ever happen to a football team. You know what other program lost to a I-AA team a couple years ago? Alabama. And they didn't finish that season with a bowl win over Florida.
You're focusing on Appalachian State, when the real signs of a program in trouble and perhaps in a tailspin are all around you. 8-16 in two years? That's a sign of a program in decline. Recruiting classes that, in terms of rankings, look more like Bret Bielema's than Lloyd Carr's? That's a sign of a program in trouble. The rate of attrition that is still, apparently, continuing into Rodriguez's third year - which can only be another albatross on the recruiting trail? Trouble.
Appy State stung like hell at the time BECAUSE we had become accustomed to such a sustained level of success. Now there are fans on the board saying "let's be positive - with some lucky breaks we can recreate what Stoops has going on over at Arizona." Let's put The Horror into perspective - what we have right now is much, much worse.
that needs the rest more than the App. State loss, and Alabama was not returning at least two pre-season all-americans on offense and countless all big ten performers when they lost to a conference sub-division opponent, they were rebuilding their program. M lost to App. State in its climax, pinnacle year. The difference is noteworthy.
Look, I'm not saying I wasn't infuriated at the time, or that I'm completely okay with losing at home to ASU. The year was certainly still a massive disappointment.
But it was nice to have those massive expectations, no? It was nice to have preseason all-Americans. It was nice that the earth-shattering mess of a season in 2007 ended up with a 9-4 record.
I agree that Lloyd had lost his fastball by the time he left, and I know that Rodriguez had a lot of work in front of him (both related to a change in scheme and to some less than stellar recruiting) when he got here. But what has happened to Michigan football in the past two years is far, far worse than anything that had transpired for a long piece of the program's history.
Put it this way: when Rodriguez was hired, everyone thought that all we needed was a shot in the arm. Now this has become a complete reconstruction of the team, and there is only moderate and contestable evidence that said rebuilding is on a sustainably positive track.
Appalachian State was a sign that we were farther from competing for national championships than we had thought. 5-7 is a sign that we are farther from the top three in the Big Ten than we had thought, and I'm worried that recruiting is going to enter a negative spiral that keeps Rodriguez at arm's length from success. We all (myself included) thought it was obvious that Rodriguez's system + Michigan tradition/facilities/brand (i.e., recruting power) = WVU on steroids. I'm beginning to wonder whether that equation is so simple after all.
EDIT: Also, I have no idea what a "climax, pinnacle year" is.
If your content with 9-3 seasons then yes all we needed was a tweak. However, I want National Championships. I want perfect seasons. No longer will Lloyd Carr offenses get Michigan to be anything above average. Look at the best teams this year, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, USC (off year). All of them have a spread offense similar to RRod's and in the case of Florida, Oklahoma and Oregon offenses that are ripped off of RRod's from his past coaching jobs.
With that said I think RRod had no intention of blowing up this team. He came here and all the talent on offense either graduated (Jake Long, Chad Henne, and Mike Hart) or transferred (Ryan Mallet) or left a year early (Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington). When you lose your All-American tackle, your 4 year starting qb, and your 4 year starting RB your will suck the next year. Add in the fact that Michigan lost their only good QB recruit and their #1 and #2 WR what was RRod supposed to do. Mathews has proven he's nothing special. Minor and Brown had like 25 combined carries. The O-line was a mess with Shilling and Boren being the only returners. How could RRod have kept the same offense and why should he when the only QB's returning include a walk on who is under 6 feet, a 6'6 giant who moves like Navarre but has no power, and a transfer who has an arm but nothing between his ears.
Look, there have been mistakes under RRod. He tried to recruit Pryor and lost Mallet due to it. RRod hired Shafer and then hired Robinson. RRod failed to memorize every Michigan tradition (like the #1 jersey) and RRod came to Michigan with WV trying to destroy him. By no means is he perfect.
But he came to Michigan when Michigan had a shitty team, that was too slow, and built for the old Big 10. College football is changing and finally the Big 10 is realizing it. There are 2 teams in the Big 10 that haven't updated their offenses and they are Iowa and Wisconsin. Both have shitty ass offenses with little talent in the skill positions. Iowa had a good record this year solely based on their defense. But RRod didn't have the luxury to sit on a defense. Carr recruited one solid DB his final two years. He recruited zero top tier LB. He had 1 5 star defensive player in Brandon Graham. This team should have had a senior in the secondary this year. Instead, Mouton and Brown had to be moved because they have zero speed. Name one player on this team minus Graham and Warren who were top tier recruits who have become something at their recruited position.
Lloyd Carr's style of offense would have slowly suffocated Michigan. We could have had 10 years of his style of playing slowly getting worse or we could have two bad years to quickly update our style of play.
By the way... no coach changes a team around in a year or two unless it is already loaded with the right type of talent. you bitching about a 3 year free pass shows you know nothing, absolutely nothing, about football. You have 44 players (2 deep) you need to recruit and build for your system. That means it's 2 years minimum for recruiting and 1 more year since freshman rarely contribute besides on special teams. Expecting any coach to come in and be successful from day 1 in naive. It's sort of like expecting New Orleans to be rebuilt in a couple of years. Too much to do with out much time.
run mostly pro-set offenses, as do the first two coaches that Michigan went after, Miles and Schiano. My belief is that Martin and company did not want to "blow the program up" and saw it as more of a "tweek" type situation as well. However, I don't think most Michigan fans (including myself) understood the state of the program at that time. The Florida win gave us a very warm and fuzzy feeling, however, the national (and local) reaction of "how the f#%k did Michigan beat Florida" was a little more telling then the win itself.
The fact that both Miles and Schiano both passed on the Michigan job (regardless of the all the retroactive reasoning as to why they did not accept) was and is very telling as well. Michigan did not hunt down the best and brightest coach in America and watch as he bowed to the Maize and Blue in all its glory. They searched the land for somebody that would "take the job" and it took them a great while. I don't think that Rodriguez can be judged on what we, as fans, thought the program was, he must be judged on what the program has been shown to be.
RR has not taken very good football players and made them bad. He and his staff, for the most part, have been coaching football for a very long time. Lloyd Carr had a formula, and it was a formula designed to take 2-3 upper tier players, combine them with many average to slightly above average recruits, and win 8-9 games and compete for a big ten title. That was the Carr way after about 1999.
What was being asked of the new regime was to take the program to an elite level and compete for national championships. It is certainly of note that the two coaches who were offered the job of "tweek and go" passed up on the offer due in large part to the fact that once the hood was opened, it was more than a spark plug issue, in fact, the engine needed to be replaced.
Most here did not know this, and from his reaction and subsequent actions, I don't think Rodriguez did either. I think that Rodriguez is troubling in a lot ways. I think that it is a valid question to ask why Rodriguez was so willing to bust ass out of Morgantown with a NC contender and all key players returning when others could not stay far enough away from AA. I think he has handled the local media relations poorly, I question the document shredding, I question his understanding of the type of scrutiny that he has signed up for. But none of the questions that I have about Rodriguez can shield or change the fact that Rodriguez is here going through this shit storm for one reason... because nobody else would. That should tell us something about the state of the program that he inherited.
You're baldly misrepresenting two things. First: Miles was never offered the job. Even if he was, your argument is: "One coach at an elite program riding a tide of success did not take the job. One coach who had built a program up from the ground level to a high but not elitle level, and probably enjoyed lifetime career security, did not take the job. And one coach, who had built a program from mediocrity to an elite level AND probably enjoyed lifetime career security for having done so took the offer." That doesn't sound all that damning to me, and it certainly doesn't support the silly conclusion that "nobody else" would have come here.
Second, your characterization of Lloyd's recruiting in relation to Rodriguez's is ridiculous. Go back and look at the average star rating and the distribution of said stars in Lloyd's classes, and take another look at the scrappy band of system players that are due to sign this year. "Take 2-3 upper tier players, combine them with many average to slightly above average recruits" sounds more like a summary of the incoming class of 2010 than any recruiting class under Lloyd.
of coaches is there to select from. Coaches that have taken national powers and marginalized them, coaches that took the reigns at a less than program and kept is less than. I believe the two coaches mentioned form a pretty accurate control sample of what Michigan was selecting from.
And perhaps Miles was not "offered" the job in the same way that ND has not "offered" the job to Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops.
To translate this:
"Coaches that have taken national powers and marginalized them, coaches that took the reigns at a less than program and kept is less than."
You're kidding, right? Are you saying that you actually believe that RR shredded documents at WVU? Or am I missing some strange sort of irony or sarcasm?