I still don't inderstand why OU is in the top 15. Ok State is only one spot ahead of them. Really? They just seem like such an uninspiring team. They've fallen apart against all competent Big 12 competition, which is few and far between to begin with.
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All competent competition
You mean Nebraska only? That's the only loss. They've beaten everything else, with the only really close game (hiccup against Troy aside) against a ranked Texas A&M.
This is a resume ballot. Just win, baby.
I believe that he is referring to OU as the "uninspiring team."
I don't understand how LSU drubbing a terrible team somehow leaps them over Boise State who also smashed a terrible team.
LSU should have been ahead of BSU last week. Look at the chart. Alabama > VaTech. Miss. State > Hawaii. The rest of the games are closer but against better competition.
Boise State is a better team than LSU. People put too much stock on resume, not the product on the field IMO.
How do you measure product on the field? There are no comparison points.
If Michigan played in the MAC with an OOC of UConn(good chance of winning bad conference like VaTech) and Illinois(middle of the pack spread team in respectable conference like OSU), we'd be putting up moster points every weeek and probably be undefeated right now as well.
If I told you something was 2 slugs and another was 20 kg, would you know which was more without a comparison of units? No. You need some sort of scale to determine which is more, which is exactly what the resume voting does. Without it, you are stuck looking at the bigger numbers before you realize what contributed to the bigger numbers.
top 10 offense and defense while LSU has top 10 defense but below average offense. BSU has dominated the competition in which a top 5 team is supposed to do. LSU has done a respectable job thus far but still has a loss.
LSU's offense would look good against those wonderful WACtacular defenses. Probably not top-10 good, but good.
Raw stats mean little when there's so much variation in strength of schedule.
with weak defense.
BSU put up 33 points against a top 10 defense in VT. Their offense is legit with 2 NFL caliber WRs in Pettis and Young and have a NFL caliber LT in Potter. Kellen Moore is a Heisman candidate QB. It's not like BSU offense sucks.
LSU offense can't do much with weak defense.
Yeah, like score 51 against Louisiana Monroe, or 33 on Florida.
is a better team than Wisconsin, but as much as I hate to say it, doesn't Sparty's head to head win against them mean they should be ahead of them?
Wisconsin's loss is better, so is their second win.
MSU's toughest out of conference opponent was Notre Dame. They Don't have to play Ohio State, and their toughest opponent left is Penn State... if they want to climb the rankings... they'll have to earn it.
I understand your point, but that's all I got... that and in Lloyd Carr's last year... we beat Florida in a bowl game and finished with the same record (9-4) but they were ranked ahead of us.
MSU beat Wisc, Wisc beat Iowa, Iowa beat MSU...rock, paper, scissors except that MSU's loss was by 31. Wisc is also the only contender to beat another contender on the road.
I would also have OSU ahead of MSU. At least OSU was competitive in the one game they lost.
I won't argue Wisconsin (personally, I could see a case for either but getting axe-murdered in Iowa is probably going to be the deciding factor for most people), but what's Ohio State's best win? 6-4 Penn State with a freshman QB? Miami, who's 7-3 but in the awful ACC and probably overrated at #25? If they win at Iowa, by all means, put them ahead, but for now their resume just doesn't stack up.
I'm ready to start dropping TCU and Boise State. Baylor has lost a ton of steam for TCU. Oregon State lost to WAZZOU, so both their wins are very devalued. I'd like to see them at 6/7 right above Wisconsin. Order of mid majors is tough now that Boise State's top win is better, but TCU's 3-the rest are all better.
I just have this idea that Ohio State should be jumped by someone with that schedule (Alabama for that matter). Maybe Okie State? Their wins are better and their loss is on par with Ohio State.
is ridiculous to say at the least, but good thing that it's not a real poll.
why do you think that it's not ridiculous that LSU is above Boise State despite the fact that Boise State is undefeated and LSU isn't. BSU has dominated the competition this season thus far and has the personnel to beat LSU on neutral field.
I didn't neg you, but I would bet that if BSU had to play LSU's schedule, they would have at least 2 losses against Alabama and Auburn. If LSU played BSU's schedule, they would be undefeated as well.
Why would BSU lose to Auburn or Bama?
BSU has beaten every AQ team they faced in the last how many years. They beat Oklahoma. They beat Oregon twice. They beat media darling TCU last year. What more does BSU have to do? So they play in that conference. It's not like they can join the Pac 10 or Big 10... they're not a research institution.
That's why these games need to be played (playoff) because if one wants to talk resumes, BSU's resume is solid OOC.
Why is it ridiculous? Because they lay 50 on a bunch of nobody schools? I've supported BSU this season, but look at the spreadsheet. LSU just has better wins. Maybe if BSU spanks Nevada, they can reclaim their spot, but otherwise, LSU deserves to be ahead of BSU.
one loss and Boise State doesn't. Boise State is a better team and can beat LSU on netural field.
LSU lost a close game to the #1 team in the country. I'd say LSU's loss gives them more credit than BSU's best win.
This is a poll based on field performance, not gut feelings.
This. Absolutely this.
should've lost to unranked Tennessee thanks to Tennessee stupidity. Works both way. I'm giving BSU's close win over VT more credit than LSU's close win over Tennessee.
The fact that it's still a loss, not a win. Boise State doesn't have a loss. End of story.
If that's really all that matters, then we should just move to the MAC and schedule our OOC to be Minn, Indiana, Baby Seal, Purdue every year. We would be a much better team this year because we would be undefeated as well.
Michigan would be ranked ahead of LSU.
Admittedly, I think it's borderline criminal that Boise's probably going to go unbeaten and yet again have no chance at the title, but that's another argument. VT-Hawaii-Oregon State isn't even in the same neighborhood for difficulty of top three games so far as Auburn-Alabama-Miss St.
For me, you have to have a huge gap in strength of schedule to make up for one loss and jump an unbeaten. LSU has enough of a lead there that it's at least arguable, though with Fresno and Nevada ahead Boise may close that gap.
What exactly does the other MSU have to hang it's hat on? They currently only have two wins over teams that are bowl eligible (Florida and Kentucky). They've lost all three games verses other ranked SEC opponents. Their non-conference schedule was horrible: best win, Houston after their QB was injured.
I get that ranking teams at the bottom of the top 25 is tough, but at the very least, Va. Tech, U.S.C., Arizona, and Iowa are all more worthy than Miss. St. It's time people realized that the SEC isn't very good this year. It's not a strong league 1-12. Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn., and Kentucky are all awful football teams. Everyone else up until maybe Arkansas are mediocre. And even their best four teams don't compare to the top of the SEC over the last few years.
I know this is a resume ballot, but I'm still really confused how Mississippi State jumped two spots after getting soundly defeated by Alabama. Their top wins are Florida and Georgia, which both look like nothing now. Yes, they narrowly lost to Auburn, but their other two losses are 20+ defeats.
EDIT: Beaten by LandonC. That's what I get for starting a post, getting distracted halfway through, then finishing.
To make it even worse, that Georgia win was without A.J. Green. Anyone that watched the Auburn-Georgia game on Saturday knows that Green completely changes that offense.
Re. Boise and TCU - I think a case can be made either way for one over the other.
But, IMO LSU belong below both of them and should be at #5.
Also think MSU and Wisconsin should be flipped based on their head-to-head game.
In a general sense, head-to-head results aren't generally indicative of relative strength. Even in the context of a resume ballot (where the result is what matters), it's just one game on the schedule ... and if anything, it helps Wisconsin more than MSU, especially with Iowa's wheels falling off.
If you can make the case that the Spartans' resume from end-to-end is equal to Wisconsin's, perhaps the head-to-head result breaks the tie, but I'm not sure that can be done.
Exactly. We convinced Tim last week that Wisconsin's resume is stronger. If you look at the wins without names attached, both beat teams at home to give them their only losses. Then you look at common opponents and Wisconsin has done much better than MSU, especially against Iowa.
There's a good probability whoever faces them in a bowl game is going to get creamed. Boise has to be sick of all the snooty snotty putdowns by BCS School fans. If they hang a ton of points on a major team, that's about all they can do to give them credit. The way Penn State, Georgia, and Cal started out against OSU, Auburn and Oregon doesn't seem to make a difference. Yes, the outright win is the measuring stick. But I think OSU, Auburn, and Oregon are all a bit overrated, at least in comparison with Boise.
But what has Boise done to justify being ranked ahead of any of them (particularly fellow undefeateds Auburn and Oregon, of course). With Oregon State going into the tank, they've beaten what appears to be a decent Virginia Tech team (that still managed to lose to a 1-AA squad), a mediocre Hawaii team, and a bunch of crap teams.
Does Wisconsin have enough to pass Nebraska? They are pretty comparable in wins, but Nebraska's loss at home to a team that might not make a bowl game is way worse than Wisconsin's loss to a 9-1 team on the road.
I'd also consider pushing Alabama past OSU. I'd say they probably have the first 2-3 wins.
Anyone else look at Wiscy and think they ought to jump Nebraska? They both have a couple of solid wins (OSU & Iowa v Ok St & Missouri) and both have one loss. I think Wiscy's loss looks a lot better than Nebraska's. Wiscy lost a good MSU team in E. Lansing. While Neb lost at home to a bad Texas team. Anyone?
edit > joeyb just scooped me... sorry about that!
... How far would they have fallen? I'd have to say 30+ (or is it '-'?), because a Minnesota home loss is almost as bad as the horror.
after seeing them struggle against San Diego State and Utah get worked by Notre Dame. I'm not necessarily sold on Boise, but I think they have a better resumeet they keep dropping, while the nation has taken on TCU as the new darling. I don't get it.
Yeah, I think BSU beats TCU and LSU on a neutral field, and since their resumes are not all that dramatically different, I would have BSU #3, and put them #2 if Oregon or Auburn stumbles.
Specifically, I think that BSU has the players to match up with just about anybody, and if Miles was to pull some stupid crap against BSU, Peterson would make him pay. Peterson is a great coach, and Miles is a bit of a moron.
BSU did beat TCU on a neutral field.
BSU also beat Oregon the last two years running.
I don't get the anti-BSU sentiment generally out there among the media.
Um. Do you watch ESPN? You'd think Kellen Moore brought back Lazarus.
Seems like everytime I watch ESPN, Lou Holtz, Robert Smith, yada yada yada are putting BSU down for their conference.
I meant to drop TCU a bit, and probably will do so in the final ballot.
Why is MSU ahead of OSU