A Bit More On Greg Frey Comment Count

Brian

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Michigan's added Greg Frey as an OL/TE/run game coach, as you probably heard about. Michigan valued his addition enough to move Jay Harbaugh into a somewhat awkward spot as the RB coach, and his track record makes it obvious why.

Michigan, Part I

Rich Rodriguez and Frey walked into a disaster zone in 2008. After Corey Zirbel was forced to retire with an injury, Michigan had something like 7 or 8 scholarship offensive linemen. Things did not go well.

By year three, Frey's last in Ann Arbor, Michigan had a first-choice lineup of:

  • LT Taylor Lewan
  • LG Stephen Schilling
  • C David Molk
  • RG Patrick Omameh
  • RT Perry Dorrestein

Four of those guys would go on to NFL careers of at least a few years in length, with Lewan and Omameh still in the league. Lewan and Omameh were Frey recruits. Lewan was a fast-rising prospect who Frey IDed first and got in the door for before he rose to the mid-to-high four star status he ended the cycle with; Omameh was a late poach from Cincinnati. Molk, who Frey inherited as a redshirt freshman, won the Rimington as a senior.

2010 and 2011 stand out as the zenith of Michigan offensive line play over the past... God, probably 15 years. 2011 had Lewan, Molk, and Omameh back; Frey recruit and future NFLer Michael Schofield drew into the lineup along with Mark Huyge. Lewan, Omameh, and Schofield returned in 2012 but the two new guys (Ricky Barnum and Elliott Mealer) were major steps back, and from there it was disaster time.

This is a painful recent memory for Michigan fans; it is also a best-case scenario for anyone attempting to suss out the ability of a position coach. Michigan was bad when Frey arrived; they were good when he left; the air went out of the balloon over the next few years.

Indiana

Frey landed in Bloomington after his brief strange trip under RichRod and was the OL coach for Kevin Wilson until Wilson was booted a couple months ago. How much of Indiana's improvement was Wilson and how much was Frey is impossible to determine, but the combination took IU's offense to heights not since since the days of Antwan Randle-El.

This season the vagaries of recruiting Indiana and a series of injuries forced multiple young players onto the field, with predictable results; despite that Frey's track record is very strong:

...his work in Bloomington has been outstanding. Jason Spriggs is in the NFL. Dan Feeney is a potential first-round pick and probably the best guard in this year's draft. Even less heralded players, like Collin Rahrig and Jake Reed (and probably Dimitric Camiel soon to join them) have spent time on NFL rosters.

And all of that was done without the benefit of the kinds of highly regarded players Michigan would be more likely to attract than IU. When they committed, neither Feeney nor Camiel were considered among even the top 900 prospects in the 2012 class, according to the 247Sports Composite, while Spriggs was listed as a tight end.

Michigan fans no doubt remember 2015's mashing at the hands of Frey. That year's line was 8th in adjusted sack rate and 35th in adjusted line yards; the previous year's was 27th and 86th. Run efficiency took a big hit this year but IU popped back up in sacks allowed.

Frey made a ton of chicken salad in Bloomington and both close observers of Indiana...

...and national analysts...

...think Michigan just scored a coup.

But what about crootin?

A conveniently-timed article from the Tampa Bay Times:

Indiana-Tampa Bay recruiting pipeline outperforms state schools

This is largely attributable to Frey.

"The reason Indiana is having so much success in the area is all because of Greg Frey," Largo football coach Marcus Paschal said. "I have a great relationship with him that goes back a long way. He knows Rick Rodriguez, who I played for. Frey even recruited me when I played at Largo and he was an assistant at USF."

Indiana has five commits from the Tampa area in this recruiting class, including a four-star kid they flipped from USC. Frey also recruits Cincinnati for the Hoosiers with good success. He should be an asset.

But what about manball?

You'll note that for the last decade Frey has been coaching spread OLs that run a ton of inside and outside zone and not much gap stuff. (If you remember gap stuff from Indiana in the last couple years you're probably thinking about the pin and pull sweeps that are a staple of most offenses these days.) The transition from hyperspace IU chaosteam football to Michigan's manball is a large one.

This is probably more asset than drawback. Michigan has not run outside zone with any effectiveness the past couple years; Frey promises to help fix that. That should help diversify Michigan's run game. Michigan has a large portion of the manball specialists in college football already while Frey has been on the cutting edge of high-tempo spread for a decade. It's reasonable to expect some profit as those two systems exchange DNA.

Finally, Frey was the right hand man of Ohio State's new offensive coordinator for six years. If anyone has insight into Kevin Wilson's tendencies it's him.

But what about the media?

You may remember Frey's, er, enthusiastic coaching being a major point of contention during Michael Rosenberg's crusade against Rodriguez. That was more about one man's quest to dethrone Michigan's coach than anything rational, as Frey's successful tenure at IU demonstrates. When you're winning (relatively so, in Indiana's case) and producing draft picks this is how the articles go:

“See the defense!” he shouts.

For the record, we have left out the helpful adjective.

And then, again in family friendly form:

“See what’s going on!”

“Find the ball!”

You coach in the take-no-prisoners Big Ten and it’s no time for hugs and sweet words of gentle persuasion. Not in this practice moment, anyway. Frey’s message is as clear as a sledgehammer, and you’d better believe it works. He has built one of the conference’s best offensive lines, meaning it’s one of the best in the nation, and he hasn’t done it with five-star recruits.

I predict a notable silence.

Comments

smwilliams

January 26th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

Let's remember that he took Jason Spriggs (who was ranked as a 3-star TE by Rivals) and turned him into a NFL player and that Dan Feeney is about to get drafted high as well. 

Mongo

January 26th, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^

for all the disbelievers that the RR era produced anything good. Evans is going to have a monster year behind a Frey tutored OL.

theytookourjobs

January 26th, 2017 at 12:29 PM ^

by the way Harbaugh is able to make slam dunk hire after slam dunk hire with his staff.  Simply incredible.  Everyday gets more exciting with the fooball program.  God Bless you Mark Schlissel and Jim Hackett for bringing this man to our beloved university and for giving him the resources to rebuild this empire!

TrueBlue2003

January 26th, 2017 at 2:43 PM ^

assistants $1MM+ annual earners.  We are throwing money at assistants which doesn't hurt.

But yes, he's clearly shown that working on his staff is a hughely positive bullet on the resume. And it makes sense given his experience and success at college and pro level that no one else in football can match.  So if you're going to be an understudy anywhere and have pro aspirations (and of course college), Michigan is the best place to do it.

San Diego Mick

January 26th, 2017 at 12:34 PM ^

one thing I would disagree with you on is that the O-Line has been less than stellar for the past decade, not past 15 years, maybe it just feels like it to us because of the frustration.

1974

January 26th, 2017 at 12:45 PM ^

I'd agree with Brian. Which pre-2007 lines would you consider as good as the 2010/2011 ones? Remember that famous picture from the '07 OSU game where their whole defensive line has beaten Michigan's O-line just after the snap? I think Jake Long (and, to a lesser extent, David Baas) color people's memories of that era. I don't think the lines where necessarily bad, but they weren't good, either.

stephenrjking

January 26th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^

The 2003 and 2006 teams, what I would consider the best Carr teams after Henson left, both got carved up by USC DLs in the Rose Bowl. Like, humiliated. Of course I don't think 10 or 11 were flawless either. 2011 Michigan could never run successfully with the QB under center, and that 2010 team had spread problems against guys like JJ Watt. Of course, lots of people have problems with JJ Watt.

TrueBlue2003

January 26th, 2017 at 3:47 PM ^

is relatively low because he lacked the speed to turn turn big holes that spung him into the secondary into massive gains. Those are the type of runs that prop up YPC totals.

Also our play calling was a bit bland in that era.  We were happy with running for 4 yards a pop on a lot of plays, and the lines were good enough to do that against just about anybody.  That we weren't using deception to help clear out DBs that chopped him down after 10 yards wasn't really the lines fault.

So if the question is did we have talented lines that could execute to great success what the coaches asked of them? Yes, 2003 and 2006 certainly fit the bill there, I would think.

Could the results have been even better with more creative playcalling? Yes, probably.

AC1997

January 26th, 2017 at 2:20 PM ^

In 2001 Michigan had three linemen drafted in the first 45 picks, all of whom went on to long and productive NFL careers.  In the 15 years since then we have just barely matched the same number of picks an no one (yet) has matched their careers.  

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/2017-ol-what-should-have-been

The best OL we've put in the NFL since 2001 are probably Long (good, injury plagued) or the guys Brian mentioned as being tutored by Frey.  

kehnonymous

January 26th, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^

In our darkest heart of hearts, I think we all acknowledge that there are many genuinely good people who play for our rivals. No matter how much we hate them, each of them has at least 3-9 guys who are solid high character people you'd be OK rooting for after they graduate. Having said that, the Boren family is unmitigated trailer trash from the top on down.