Someone named Reilly O'Toole didn't go to ND?
...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
Additions to the commit list for the Maize and Blue means the rankings go on the front page. There was a ton of action across the league (plus future member and Michigan recurring opponent), with only Purdue and Indiana not grabbing any new ones.
Action since last rankings:
6-28-10 Notre Dame gains commitment from Ben Councell. Northwestern gains commitment from Matt Frazier. Illinois gains commitment from Reilly O'Toole.
6-29-10 Michigan gains commitments from Jack Miller and Kevin Sousa. Northwestern gains commitment from Zack Oliver. Wisconsin gains commitment from Derek Landisch.
6-30-10 Ohio State gains commitment from Nick Vannett. Nebraska gains commitment from Nicklas Sade. Iowa gains commitments from John Raymon and Ray Hamilton. Minnesota gains commitment from Samuel Oyenuga. Illinois gains commitment from Justin DuVernois.
7-1 Iowa gains commitment from Jake Rudock. Michigan State gains commitment from Joel Heath.
7-2-10 Ohio State gains commitment from Ron Tanner. Penn Satte gains commitment from Shawn Oakman.
|Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings|
|Rank||School||# Commits||Rivals Avg||Scout Avg||ESPN Avg|
Rivals rankings have been converted to their "RR" scale, which is on a scale from about 5 to about 6.1. Unrated prospects are given a 5.1 rating, on par with the worst of any Big Ten commit last year. Scout is on the 5-star system, and ESPN uses grades out of 100.
|#1 Ohio State - 17 Commits|
Buckeyes pick up a couple highly-rated guys to stay atop the heap.
|#2 Notre Dame - 12 Commits|
Notre Dame picks up a commit and moves ahead of Nebraska on the basis of average ranking. They have a better average by all three services.
|#3 Nebraska - 13 Commits|
Nebraska picks up a kicker, which actually brings their ranking down to #2, as they're passed by Notre Dame. When a of their commits are ranked, they could move back ahead.
|#4 Michigan - 7 Commits|
Michigan picks up a pair of commits, helping keep them ahead of Michigan State. Don't be surprised if Sousa ends the year much more highly-rated.
|#5 Michigan State - 7 Commits|
Spartans pick up an under-the-radar DE in Joel Heath.
|#6 Indiana - 18 Commits|
Hoosiers still lead the way in number of commits, but their average ratings aren't so hot.
|#7 Iowa - 8 Commits|
Iowa had a couple big days in the middle of the week, but their average rating numbers didn't do so hot. Once all their commits are ranked, they should look much better.
|#8 Northwestern - 7 Commits|
Northwestern bumped past Purdue on total commits, even though their average ratings are slightly lower. Once their guys are fully ranked, this should look better.
|#9 Purdue - 5 Commits|
Purdue stays behind Iowa on the basis of fewer commits with about the same averages. They slide behind Northwestern, because the 'Cats have about the same ratings among their top 5 commits, plus two more guys.
|#10 Minnesota - 6 Commits|
Another week, another as-yet-unranked commitment for the Gophers.
|#11 Wisconsin - 5 Commits|
Badgers are seriously forming a recruiting class composed entirely of tight ends and linebackers. Behind Minnesota on the basis of fewer commits with approximately equal averages.
|#12 Illinois - 6 Commits|
The Illini are set for a big bump once all their commits are ranked.
|#13 Penn State - 1 Commit|
Slightly less lol Penn State, but still some.
Someone named Reilly O'Toole didn't go to ND?
I'm a big fan. So how did I miss it when did two DE's named Steve Miller, one a 5* and the other a 4*, join OSU? Are they brothers?
Whoops, the second one is supposed to be Vannett.
Am I the only one getting a bit nervous about what Brian Kelly might be able to do at ND with talent at a level that could only be dreamed of at Cinci?
I'd be nervous offensively, but he still hasn't shown much ability to coach up a defense. That obviously relies heavily upon assistant and position coaches, as Weiss's offenses (outside of the 3-9 season) were never the problem at ND. I think Kelly is a good coach, but scoring 30 and giving up 24 won't return ND to glory.
However the Bearcats schedule is a little lighter then the ND schedule.
I think our ranking rise at the end of the summer after a few more commits we could have.
A Michigan recruit could rise in rank after committing to Michigan?
How can you go wrong with a QB named Bubba Starling?
(like the current administration does). It shows the osu & michigan ave ranking as only 3.7 to 3.17.......but Osu has TEN 4 or 5 star committments, while michigan has ONE. Its only Osu' larger overall number of recruits (17) that makes things seem closer than they are. We better win this year, or lessor recruiting classes will be the norm, and less talent will be a self fulfilling prophecy....
a 1/2 star advantage is significant. I'm sorry you don't perceive it to be so. Also, your mathematical and reasoning skills are suspect.
Ohio State.....TEN 4/5 star recruits......
10 and 1....go play with those numbers
Coaches evaluate talent and select guys that fit their system. Look at teams like BYU, TCU, Utah and Boise St. as far as star rankings go. They shouldn't be able to stay on the same field as the "Big Boys" yet look what Utah did to Alabama to years ago and what Bose did to Oklahoma. The rankings are purely subjective as is talent evaluation after the upper etchelon guys. Some pan out and many don't. Watched the Penn St. spring game replay last night and announcers complimented JoePa on recruiting athletes. This is RR and staff's apparent strategy. Recruit true athletes and then put them in a position that will be most advantageous to themselves and the team. Win and we will get our share of 5 stars. Until then, we will develop the athletes we have with the help of Barwis and company.
If u discount recruiting ranking, there's no reason to be posting comments on a recruiting thread. Everyone and their mother has heard the argument you employed before. Recruiting is something for fans to chat about during rhe offseason to sate our football necessity. It's just another thing to be competitive about. Everyone knows wins and losses aren't determined by your average * rankings, so please don't feel obliged to point it out. I wholeheartedly enjoy recruiting. Don't belittle it please.
I suppose you could look at all the 2-star/3-star guys at TCU, BYU, Utah, and Boise St. to point out that recruiting rankings don't mean anything . . .
. . . or you could point to the 2-star/3-star guys at Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, Akron, Memphis, Southern Mississippi, Middle Tennessee State, Rice, Tulsa, Colorado State, Louisiana Tech, Florida Atlantic, etc. and see that yeah, maybe recruiting rankings mean something.
If we ever go to mountain west or big sky conference, I think talking about their recruiting ranks would be relevant.
If you believe Utah will have as good a record in the next 6 years after joining the pac 10 compared to the prior 6 years with the same level of recruits, I would disagree.
It's nice to win an impressive bowl game (not saying otherwise) after 4-6 weeks of prep, but if you want to be a major conference and win week-in and week-out, you need the talent.
If you really want to see how much Michigan fans should be concerned about recruit rank, you should:
1. Only look at major conferences (SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 10...)
2. Look at teams' records versus top 50 teams. I really don't care if UW beat 4 super weak non-con teams. And quite honestly, when UM is playing like a UM should, they would rarely lose to a team outside the top 50.
3. Average the prior 5 classes recruit ranks
4. See if there is a correlation b/n rank and record. And probably, more relevant to our fans, see if there's a correlation at the top end. I wouldn't care if there is no correlation for the 5th-11th rank teams. Not relevant to where UM wants to be.
The title of the article is Big Ten recruiting rankings. For some reason Notre Dame is ranked third. NOTRE DAME IS NOT IN THE BIG TEN!!
ND has been included in this ranking since the VB days many moons ago. It is a geographically, prestige, and competitive relevance.
Even if you are new around here - we play ND every year, and will for quite a while, so they are as relevant to a Michigan fan as any Big Ten team, for all intents and purposes.