It's true Pelini did wonders with the D, but the scheme change wasn't dramatic. The more improtant aspect is that he kept the offensive coordinator from Callahan (Sean Watson) and thus had no hiccups on the offensive side. I'd be ok with getting Harbaugh if he brought in a spread guy or was able to keep Mcgee, but having a nearly complete change in offensive scheme is going to be terrible for next season, especially considering we lose 1 consistent starter from offense next year. I would really prefer to not have to go through all of that again. Thus I still hold that RR should get a 4th year on the condition that he clean house on D.
Being Dave Brandon
From this point on I don't care about the following opinions on what Rich Rodriguez deserves after three years:
- Yours, unless you are Dave Brandon (call me)
I also don't have anything that's definitive. We know that there is no McMahon-style "you're firrrrrrrred" press conference today, and given the way things work that means Rodriguez will be the coach through the bowl game. We know that the rumors were heavy enough for Dave Brandon to personally debunk them on the twitters. We can read the withering sarcasm between the lines of this from Brandon…
…and if it's not withering sarcasm* I don't want to know.
I've got some stuff in the inbox and from elsewhere. A bit of it says Rodriguez is getting fired, period, citing "impeccable sources." Another from before the OSU game reports second hand that Harbaugh "has an offer" while expressing skepticism at the nature of the information given its timing—what if Michigan had won Saturday? Some other stuff has filtered to me via talkative former players all saying "canned," as well.
The part I trust—the one that called Brandon as the likely new AD and tipped me off about the Alabama game—is far from certain except about one thing: anyone who says anything with certainty is full of it. Brandon keeps his own counsel and makes his own decisions. Since Brandon has a direct line to the obvious head coaching candidate there will be no search committee or consultants tapped or planning, cutting off virtually all of the usual leak sources. It's unlikely anyone has anything until hours before it breaks, at which point it will be everywhere.
I'm not inclined to put much in the widespread chatter that had RR out the door after the OSU game and seems to be continuing since its sourcing seems to be pissed-off-you-guys folk clearly unhappy with the state of the program taking small interactions and interpreting them as they desire. However, the vibe I'm getting from other people who seem to be on the fence about what to do—or at least close to it—also makes it seem unlikely Rodriguez is back. Emphasis on all the qualifying words in the previous sentence, please. I've got nothing solid because no one does.
In the event that happens, Harbaugh is the obvious #1 guy, with the main sticking point being Harbaugh's willingness to accept the imposition of a silly, off-putting buyout in case any NFL teams get ideas. It sounds like if the decision is made to pursue Harbaugh, something will be worked out and he will be introduced essentially immediately. They won't get rid of Rodriguez unless they know they have the next coach lined up.
So… that's what I've got. I'm uncertain about everything. I guess that's good from a program standpoint, but it's frustrating when the next month will see Michigan's future hang in the balance with nothing trustworthy to put a foot on.
*(Not specifically about Desmond, who tweeted a couple things about how he had faith in Brandon to make the decision. More the "Appreciate the passion & interest," random talk-radio raver.)
He told them he didn't think Rich would survive the year.
for putting this up there. Maybe, just maybe there will not be more threads created towards this topic. Enlight of this mystery, cue the diary for a DB, RR, Gerg, JH, maybe even a henning or scum rat rosenberg internet chat. I think we could all use a good laugh!
Talk radio in metro Detroit and probably throughout the state now has a topic to mindlessly fill days worth of programing for the next 5 weeks.
What if we lose the bowl game and RR doesn't get fired?
I hope Rich Rod isn't fired but if he is, does he get time to shred his office files?
I still want Dan Mullen.
I could see Dave Brandon doing a private coaching search and based on the results of that deciding what to do with RR. What I can't see happening is firing RR after the bowl game and doing a 1-3 week long coaching search, giving the new guy a matter of weeks to cement a recruiting class. Either RR has done enough to this point, or he hasn't.
goes down to 2.5 mill from 4 mill Jan 1. Saving 1.5 mill might make cents to our AD.
I know it sounds crazy, but I don't think 1.5 mil is worth the strain it will put on our football program waiting until Jan 1 to make a move. Especially given how much one home game brings in...
Couldn't they pull that clause out of the contract and let him go this week without any buy out at all?
They could negotiate $1M or $1.5 and be done with it.
I've read a lot of people saying that Rodriguez has a good offense only because of one good player (Pat White, Denard, etc). However, the same thing applies to Harbaugh; he didn't have a winning season at Stanford until Andrew Luck arrived.
Harbaugh probably realizes that now is the time to move up, because Andrew Luck doesn't come around very often, and he's not going to go 11-1 without him.
My prediction is that Harbaugh will be coaching in the NFL next year.
Luck wasn't the Cardinal at the last Heisman Ceremony.
The coach doesnt deserve credit for bringing the guy to school and coaching him up while there? This argument against both coaches, any coach, is weak.
I completely agree with you, I was just pointing out that any argument made against Rodriguez can equally be made against Harbaugh.
This is very straiht forward. You either:
1) Fire RichRod and the whole staff and bring in Harbaugh,
2) Fire GERG and bring in a new DC, or
3) Keep both RichRod and GERG.
I prefer 2, but not matter what you think, waiting is the worst option here. It will kill recruiting and keep the websites/newspapers/talk radio stations burning for a month. Plus, if we are bringing in Harbaugh, he will need as much time as possible to put a staff together, deal with defections and recruit on his own.
I like Brandon, but we NEED a decision one way or the other over the next few days. He must know this. The fact that he hasn't said anything to support RichRod yet leads me to believe that he is talking to Harbaugh.
Not ripping you because you're just using the popular name but why Harbaugh? Seriously -- he has ripped the program and it took him 4 years to get where he is right now. He can coach but do you think there would be others involved if a change were to occur? I vote yes.
Again, I'm on the RichRod train. I think he's a better coach than Harbaugh and gives us a better chance to win over the next 5-10 years. BUT, if Brandon must feed the wolves and can him, I don't think there's any question that Harbaugh is the man to replace him. Real quick:
1) Michigan man who wants to be here.
2) Fantastic success at an almost dead program. This success is further evidenced by the fact that a number of NFL teams are already knocking at his door.
3) Quick transition. We could get this whole thing done in a few days which would minimize fallout.
I really can't believe it has come to this. I think firing a coach after just 3 seasons, all while showing clear improvement each year, is a terrible precedent to set and dimishes the program. RichRod uprooted his whole life to come here (he received death threats) and we owe him loyalty.
I also hate the idea of going back to "calling rock". Stanford is great but they have been slaughtered by Oregon for the past two seasons and aren't really serious contenders for a national championship (well...who knows). That sounds a little bit like 2000-2007 Lloyd Carr to me. I am woping for a Florida-style dynasty. But he is a good coach.
Well said. As I've said numerous times on this board, my vote for a potential replacement is Dan Mullen but I think we need to stick with RR. I agree 110% with you.
Stanford is great but they have been slaughtered by Oregon for the past two seasons and aren't really serious contenders for a national championship (well...who knows).
Stanford beat Oregon 52-41 a year ago. And in 2008, lost on a last second TD by the Ducks. Hardly slaughtered
I agree with pretty much all of that. I like where we're going now, sans the defense and turnovers.
defense and turnover margin are like 75% of the game...
Defense and TO margin would only be about 50%. To account for 75% you would have to include special teams; oh, that's right, that part sucks too.
You don't want to end up in the same situation that they ended up in with Les Miles @ LSU where he's peppered with questions about whether he's going to take the Michigan job while he's preparing for the bowl game... I presume you delay the decision (or even any official discussion) until after Harbaugh's finished his bowl game because he's not going to want to leave prior to that.
ding ding ding
Harbaugh is already going to be peppered with questions about it. It will be non stop until Brandon states, definitively, that RichRod is staying. Not saying anything makes it worse.
I think you're leaving out one possibility. What if he's found out through back channels that Harbaugh wants the job, but insists on coaching his bowl game? So then the decision becomes whether Brandon thinks he's better off with one of the Rodriguez options or if he thinks they'd be better off making the move after the bowl game and immediately snapping up Harbaugh. Sure, getting Harbaugh right now seems better than getting him on January 2, but maybe the debate is whether it's better to get Harbaugh January 2 or keep Rodriguez? Just saying, maybe it isn't so simple.
I guess that's a possibility, but I think it's pretty standard for a coach to leave (or at least annouch he is leaving) before a bowl game. And if Brandon is talking to Harbaugh, this should not be negotiable. If he wants the job, he must announce now. It's pretty much a given that he is leaving Stanford within the next year, anyway - NFL rumors have been swirling for months.
But it goes back to my original point - if we're hearing nothing we have to assume that they are talking to someone, right?
I'd like to put a litte F-You to Matt Millen for shamelessly going on and on about RichRod during the game. If I get to UFR the game, I'll be sure to plus/minus the "Fire RichRod" comments out of his stupid mouth.
The commentary seemed like it was either inane, inaccurate comments about the team, or inane, inaccurate comments about the coaches.
I'd like to make it a big F-you. I totally reject any football "analysis" from someone who has very arguably made more horrendously bad management and draft decisions than anyone else in the history of professional football. And how has no one commented on the fact that he was wearing a scarlet and gray tie for the broadcast of The Game??!! At least I'm 95% sure--my Dad's standard-def TV is pretty awful...
Son of beech. Sheet. Not much more to say, just sit here and wait for DB to make the right decision.
"you're either with us or against us" meme. One of the best parts of this blog (and about being a fan, in general) is having and voicing an opinion about the team you follow.
That, and you're comment is ridiculously long.
leave it to the mods to decide. If they find it worthy/adds something I assume they will bump it. I hope they do.
You're not David Brandon by any chance are you? because that would be awesome
is pretty stupid. There is a difference between voicing an opinion and support.
and his comment is long because it's well thought out and makes a good point.
For this thoughtful sentiment.
Use your reasoning to understand that only fools invest substantial time, money and effort in a project—with no guarantees ever—only to give up just before they can actually reap some benefits.
I've spent my entire life watching Michigan lose to mobile QBs asking, "why can't that guy be on our team." Now that he finally is on our team, most people want to go in another direction. It's very sad.
but your point on Mallett is incorrect. Mallett was already set to transfer regardless of the coach and hiring RR was a perfect excuse for Mallett to transfer back to Arkansas. The three reasons why he transfered are:
1. He was homesick and didn't like it at Michigan
2. Mitch Mustain was gone from Arkansas and Arkansas would have been his 1st choice back in his recruiting days
3. He wasn't well-liked by most teammates
A couple of players have told me that Mallett was looking to transfer immediately after the season is over. The perception of Mallett transferring because RR ran him off is not true.
4 of the "worst losses" in Lloyd's history (by Freep, not you) include 2 teams that should have been frickin' National Champs (Oregon, Tennessee) and two probably lesser teams but lead by unreal performances by a couple of guys named Donovan McNabb and Drew Brees (whatever happened to them anyway...?).
God... Drew "You mean that guy STILL has eligibility left?" Brees...
I think you may be giving this team too much credit compared Carr's 7-5 squad. I count that team as 7-4 after getting completely and utterly jobbed by the refs in the Alamo Bowl. Further, that team was much better than this one as it lost close games to teams it shouldn't have lost to - Minnesota - while this team has one win against a 1-AA opponent and gets absolutely train-wrecked by every team with a >.500 record in conference.
Are there more former players coming back to train with Barwis than there are tweeting about Rodriguez?