and man up.
Mike Lantry, 1972
You have no idea how long it took to find a Sugar Bowl image without a corporate logo. Thanks to the Bentley Library.
After last night's events one thing is clear: nothing is clear. Oklahoma State's case for the national title game will come down to winning 40% of the hearts and minds out there and Michigan's destination hinges on that decision. That Sugar vs Houston thing is ancient history.
But we can make some educated guesses. Everyone expects Michigan to crack the top 14. Oklahoma and Houston are projected to drop behind Michigan and according to Palm, MSU's awful computer rankings (average of 20.75) mean they'd have to stay two spots in front of M in the polls to stay in front of them in the BCS. That's not happening. So don't worry. M is in.
[UPDATE: Michigan is 12th in the coaches poll, ahead of MSU. They are in. Oklahoma State got only 13 of 59 second place votes—insane—and it looks like the
Fiesta Sugar vs. Somebody.]
Nobody expects TCU to crack the top 16 and earn the non-AQ autobid available to a conference champion ranked above the BE winner. They're out; the available pool of teams once Oregon, LSU, and Clemson are removed from the equation:
There are two worlds. One in which the rematch happens and one in which it doesn't. Those worlds should be addressed separately.
This is the scenario we've been dealing with so far. The Sugar loses the SEC champ. Okie State is locked into the Fiesta. The Sugar picks Michigan first from the motley crew above. The Fiesta grabs the next-most attractive team, which everyone thinks is Stanford, and then it's the Sugar's turn again.
The Sugar Bowl spends several minutes punching itself in the face and then… uh. Mandel says they pick Kansas State. So does Jerry Palm. Other possibilities are matching up RGIII against Denard (ay yai yai!), the Rodriguez Bowl versus WVU, or Boise State getting in because they're actually the best team available.
Your opinion of this will vary with your confidence Michigan can take out a Boise or a Stanford. If you think the chances of that are low, you love taking on a KSU team that can't pass and is in the BCS picture because they beat Texas with 120 yards of total offense. If you think Michigan's got a shot at one of the aforementioned teams, KSU is just Houston except a better matchup.
Should sanity prevail—don't bet on it—the conventional wisdom assumes the Sugar takes two nanoseconds to snap up Alabama. The Fiesta then has the next two picks. From this The "BCS Guru" somehow arrives at… Michigan-Kansas State. We can't quit you, Manhattan.
I think that's an error on his part and we will see a Michigan-Stanford matchup in the scenario where the BCS does not condemn college football to a divisional rematch for the "national" title game. That's what some random other website about the BCS has.
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All of that is classic, but "Spartans strengthen brand despite loss" is uber.
and man up.
Your opinion of this will vary with your confidence Michigan can take out a Boise or a Stanford.
I would rather get a win than a test at this point. But I'm torn on where. The Sugar sounds a lot more fun. But I'm probably of the mind I'd rather see Okie State in the Championship game. So the greater good vs. the Greater fun.
And while K-State isn't that interesting, probably the most beatable. Other than West Virginia, which would be great fun, and my pick, but I don't think it's going to happen.
I agree with every single part of this post. +1000
We will get out test next fall with Alabama. This year we should root for fun, a win, momentum, and the greater good for CFB.
Kirk Cousins has spoken and you don't deserve a shot at the BCS title. Let's have a Sparty v. Bama rematch.
Maize and Blue shouldn't run from ANYONE. I would welcome the toughest team we can get if we are fortunate enough to get a BCS bowl, generally speaking.
But this year is unique in that it is an inaugural year for a new coach.
Hoke's got some great momentum that's translating into some dramatic recruiting success the likes of which we have not seen in a LONNNG time.
Keeping that momentum alive right now is more important than it will be during, say, Hoke's third year. He's writing his first chapter. And it ending with a BCS bowl victory is disproportionately more important than it would be in any other regular Hoke year.
Also, note that this year is special not just for being Brady & Co.'s first, but also because NONE of the old school powerhouses are on the BCS bowl menu (except maybe Bama).
No Texas. No Notre Dame. No Ohio. No Florida. No Oklahoma. No USC.
It's weird. And it's an opportunity for Michigan to stand out onstage, with less competition for attention.
And good attention means good bias. And good bias means good recruiting and getting the benefit-of-the-doubt for future polls.
So in order to build the Hoke mystique, I think we need a LIKELY WIN/easier opponent under the national spotlight more than a prestigious opponent this year significantly more than most "typical" years.
a game in Glendale would give Roh & Lewan a chance to play in front of their family & freinds. GO BLUE!
Make the right choice!
What time is the Harris poll released?
Usually around 2pm (now)....Jerry Palm just said that Ok State needs to be no.2 in the Harris poll and be 5 points ahead of Bama for them to be no.2 in the BCS rankings later tonight.
At least we were sitting on our couches instead of ... no, too easy.
So, Sparty is hoping the voters will have the courage to vote them ahead of Alabama?
Might as well... Same argument.
Someone needs to tell Kirk Cousins that you don't get punished for playing, you get punished for losing.
Well played my friend!
Someone needs to tell Kirk Cousins that you don't get punished for playing, you get punished for losing.
Concur. In addition, you get punished for losing to ND.
Eligible teams that beat ND:
Michigan, Stanford [Both likely in BCS]
Eligible teams that lost to ND:
MSU [Not likely in BCS]
MSU should have the opportunity to lose another bowl game.
They will. It's called the Outback Bowl.
OSU a solid 2nd place and Alabama a 3rd place, then you only need the Harris Poll to be a smidge closer in vote totals than the Coaches Poll to put OSU in the MNC (my calculations say if OSU is within 50 total votes or so of Alabama, that would likely be enough). It's likely to be very tight.
Last week, Alabama was only #2 in 4 of the computer polls, with OSU #2 in the other 2. After yesterday's display, plus Alabama being idle, plus the 2 Big 12-heavy polls swinging to OSU's side, I think there's a good chance of OSU getting .9600 in computer to Alabama's .9200.
well i don't thing we got what we wanted by sitting on the couch i think we got what we wanted by the last 12 weeks (Sparty NOOOOOOO!!!)
reason # 13984702497 why people would rather be at Michigan than at State
To be honest, the team that scares me the most out of that bunch is Boise State. People tend to underestimate BSU, and they really are a solid football team. I still think last year's Boise St team was better though.
I think I'd like a match up with Stanford much more than one with Kansas St. Just because if we're going to play in a BCS game, I want a top opponent to measure Michigan against.
I want to play Alabama.
ok, how does next September in Jerrys world sound?
See you in Dallas!
I want to play cello.
I want to play drums.
Don't want to see us play Bama twice on one year.
in Louisiana from a recruiting point of view. Lots of very good players down there. Maybe we could give Miles a run for a few of them. I'll definitely take another Drew Dileo - Michigan's version of Wes Welker. Go Blue!
Here's hoping for the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar Bowl is the only major bowl Michigan has not won. Rose (multiple), Fiesta (1986), and Orange (2000), but o-fer-Sugar. Plus I really want to hang out on Bourbon Street and drink and watch all the Jan. 2 bowl games...
but historically it was one of the original big four, and we've never played in it.
Yeah, during much of the Cotton Bowl's heyday the Big Ten only sent one team to a bowl, and only to the Rose Bowl. There was maybe one year (1975) when Michigan could have played in it, but Michigan got picked for the Orange Bowl, and then Michigan went to three straight Rose Bowls after that. Seems like the Cotton Bowl pretty much had a three-team rotation or so (Penn State, Notre Dame, Nebraska) it picked to play the Southwest Conference champion. It would be interesting to find out how the big bowls selected back then, before there was a system for selection (I am pretty sure it was a free-for-all, and some teams, like ND and Penn St., got multiple bids).
We had a chance to play in the Cotton Bowl in 1986. The winner of the Michigan-Ohio State game would go to the Rose Bowl and the loser would go to the Cotton Bowl.
But Ohio State would not cooperate. They lost the game.
Just got impossibler
A very small contingent of talking heads has been talking about UM vs. VT. This would be perfect for me as I have just moved to Viriginia after graduating. I moved down the year that VT lost to James Madison. It was awesome because I only had to deal with a couple of weeks of people telling me about THE HORROR before they had the minor horror.
VT would be eligible, all right. From the Sugar Bowl's perspective, they want the biggest name, largest fan base they can get, and I don't see TCU/Boise St./Kansas State/Baylor bringing more to the table than VT.
I'd take that. Beemer always reminded me of Llloyd Carr, what with his low-key approach and defense-oriented teams.
and would give us a chance to avenge that execrable Jan. 1972 RB loss to Stanford. That one still stings.
47-10 and 27-16.
They did have that 19-19 tie in 1975, but we clobbered them 51-0 in 1976.
It's ranked 27th in the country, 4th in the Big Ten just behind Penn State, Ohio State and you know who.
Why is MSU not eligible for a BCS bowl? Just cause they are projected to fall out of the top 14?
If MSU drops out of the top 14, yes, they would be ineligble. But even if they stayed in the top 14 and Michigan is also in the top 14, the bowls get to decide which team to select, and in that scenario, Michigan is all but a certainty because we will draw more fans and get more tvs tuned in.
I believe they're eligible, they just won't get picked. We will be selected because we are us, we travel, and, yeah. And they won't. And then the Cap One bowl will take Nebraska because of the same reason. So MSU will play in the Outback Bowl.
The Big Ten No. 1 played in Pasadena and the Big Ten No. 2 got a damn fine bowl invite - to the Orange, Sugar or Fiesta.
Those nice "runner up" days are sadly over.
But somehow I like the scenario where, for example, Michigan loses to OSU in the regular season only to rip out their hearts in the Big Ten title game (a la Wisconsin this season).
Revenge is sugar sweet.
I would prefer to rip their hearts out twice every year
and have that loss keep them from going to the CCG, then rip someone else's heart out in the championship game, and then rip someone's heart out in the NCG.
A boy can dream, can't he?
about whats going on here.
Come on Fiesta. I haven't been to a warm weather place in 5 years and there is family there to get free things from for a couple days.
I firmly believe the BCS will doctor the numbers to make sure it is OSU. There is such a public dislike for the rematch idea, especially between two teams with lousy passing games like this. With the public approval for the system at record lows, the BCS needs interesting more than it needs some twisted version of what is correct.
NOLA doesn't strike you as a warm-weather place?