Anonymous Player Arrested For Sexual Assault Comment Count

Brian

Ugly legal event:

A University of Michigan football player was arrested this morning after a female student reported he sexually assaulted her.

The man has been questioned and is scheduled to be released shortly as detectives continue to investigate the 2 a.m incident in the 600 block of South State Street, Ann Arbor police Det. Dave Monroe said.

Police would not release the name of the player today.

A tipster has given me the name of this player but I'm not sure if there's some sort of legal thing that would get me pwned if I relate it. The player in question did not see the field this year but is/was expected to start next year. (No, not Justin Turner.)

Update: don't comment about the name.

Update II: I probably should have done this before I put the post up, but I eliminated the comments after they veered off into long discussions about false accusations that got ugly and political.

Comments

PurpleStuff

November 22nd, 2009 at 1:36 PM ^

Hopefully this turns out to be a false accusation. Many forget that Mark Sanchez was arrested while at SC in a case that turned out to be nothing (mother of hysterical girl had called cops who brought in choppers while video evidence later refuted the girl's initial story). Really hope this didn't happen, both because Michigan football doesn't need another scandal and (more importantly) because it would mean no horrible crime actually took place.

Raback Omaba

November 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 PM ^

And the storm of negativity will not stop. If there's a Doctor in the house, please let us know how to stop the bleeding. I feel that this program is sitting on an ER bed bleeding profusely, and it won't stop. I know who it is. Not gonna say it online, especially since it's innocent before proven guilty and I don't want to start rumors. It's not a massive loss (if it does indeed result in a loss), but a big loss. Keep your dick in your pants kids.

MichiganStudent

November 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 PM ^

I'm with you 100%. I had a few friends who were there last night and I've got some of the details, but its up to Brian to reveal them. I'm going to stay out of this one. I hope this turns out to be one of those overreactions or false accusations.

Bryan

November 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 PM ^

Let someone else out the name, but everyone please remember, many of these allegations are proven false in the long run. There is no point to possibly ruin his reputation for something that may not have occurred. From my knowledge of the Washtenaw County Prosecutor's Office (No I do not work there, nor have I been arrested), they will poly a suspect (if he/she so chooses) and if the person passes, charges typically do not get filed, this is specifically for sexual crimes. That said, WTF? Hope it's not true.

Bryan

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 PM ^

It is one of the factors sometimes used to determine whether charges should be filed. If the suspect asserts that he is innocent and will take a poly share it with the prosecutor that he passed and the merits of the case are somewhat questionable as well, the poly could possibly be used as a factor. It is not a end all be all by any imagination, but but something to think about. Let us hope that things do not get this far and that the kid did not screw up his life. EDIT: Sorry if my grammar is more terrible than usual today, it has been a really long few days and I am struggling this afternoon.

Bryan

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 PM ^

I should have made my statement a little more clear in that I am talking about before anything ever gets to the trial stage. Further, it would only possibly happen in a very few limited circumstances, and this situation probably may not fit what I described earlier. Sorry for opening a can of worms.

Topher

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 PM ^

Kudos to Brian (and to the cops, from what I can see) for not identifying either party until a legitimate vision of the facts is established. To Bryan: yes, polygraphs are bogus and inadmissible in criminal court but sometimes used in law enforcement (yes, I say WTF? to that.) Sex assault cases, especially in college, tend to cleanly divide into several scenarios, in order of increasing crime by the accused: -Flat-out crazy false accusations - e.g the Duke case where the accuser was high, the accused had alibis and no one had any sex at all. -False accusations after consensual sex designed to get a person out of trouble - e.g the Hofstra case, where a woman participated in a five-way then cried rape so she wouldn't get in trouble with her boyfriend. I have heard too many stories of people covering up their cheating by claiming rape. -Both parties had been drinking and someone decides afterward that they were coerced (despite the efforts of campus radicals this is not really a true rape, often a stand-in for "sex a woman regrets in the morning") -Cases where sex occurred and the two sides argue about who did what. This is really a who-does-the-jury-want-to-believe situation. -The accuser was drugged beyond the ability to control their body - passed-out drunk, or date-rape drugs or something. The Minnesota football players took turns on a woman who was passed out and one of them taped it with a cellphone cam. Busted. -Cases where sex is established and the accuser has signs of real violence, along with possible aggravating factors (fighting, threats) witnessed by others. I will be interested to see where this case falls. Until then I give berth to the cops to investigate and I am not rushing to any opinion.

Ernis

November 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 PM ^

One of my college girlfriend's went to a church where the preacher said if a girl loses her virginity to a rapist, she is obligated under God's Law to marry that man, and any further sex she has is considered adultery... even if she marries another guy (which would not be a legitimate union, according to this bastard). She also got up and walked out.

wildbackdunesman

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 PM ^

That is true that some courts allow polygraphs in some situations. Supposedly, modern polygraphs are far more accurate than their ancestors. The main hang up with a polygraph is the 5th Amendment. If polygraphs are used in all situations, then people would be forced to self-incrimination. In example, suppose someone did in fact commit a crime, they could either: A) Take the polygraph, fail and have the jury assume he is guilty. OR B) Refuse to take the polygraph and have the jury assume that he has something to hide and is therefore guilty. Therefore, the polygraph is at direct odds with the 5th Amendment and that is the major hangup why it has limited use in judicial proceedings. Plus questions of accuracy...

maxr

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 PM ^

From a legal standpoint, it'd be inadmissible for the prosecution to tell a jury that someone didn't take a polygraph--you're right, it'd sound way too damning. So courts simply tell prosecutors not to say one way or another if someone refuses to take a polygraph. Basically what it comes down to is that if the defendant first goes onto the stand to testify and lies and says he passed a polygraph when in fact he didn't, then the prosecution can show the jury the polygraph results. But the prosecution can't use the results first, in order to prove guilt.

panthera leo fututio

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 PM ^

I can go along with a lot of this, but I think the nature of your description of events changes as you go down the list - it starts out with descriptions of the actual event and progresses more towards a description of demonstrable evidence. Unfortunately, towards the bottom of the list I think there are also events where non-consensual, forced sex takes place without any sort of hard physical evidence. This leads to the shitty, shitty situation of distinguishing between inflicting punishment on an innocent dude and applying just punishment for a terrible crime.

G Money

November 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 PM ^

UNreported crimes are a separate issue, but yes, sexual assaults are underreported for multiple reasons: Often know assailant, fear of not being believed (see belief these are false accusations), sense that it would be difficult to prove, sense that they are at fault, etc.... But WHEN an accusation is made, they are as likely to be true (or false) as accusations of other crimes.

Ernis

November 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 PM ^

It's more like something an intern threw together during the summer. No citations for the facts listed in the quiz. And I don't think the Illinois AG = "most government agencies" anyway Topher has a good point but he fails to mention the stigma associated with being the victim of a sexual assault. There is a cultural counter-incentive to making a false claim, which should be considered along with Topher's anecdote-based argument.

DoubleMs

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:26 PM ^

It's a guarantee that there was alcohol involved in whatever took place. It's a probable that it wasn't actually a malicious sexual assault, but was instead a drunk dude trying to hook up with a drunk girl, or grabbing something he shouldn't have at a party, or something like that. Which means it was a drunken idiot act. It was probably one of those 'Hey, I'm super awesome football player ___, I know you want to ___ my ___. Do it.' moments that I heard about a certain former player with initials RM having a lot. I am an advocate of not allowing athletes to drink, and therefore be drunken idiots. By not allow, I mean 'if you get caught, you're screwed'. My high school's football team drank a lot, and sucked because of it. The coach turned a blind eye. He should have been handing out punishments. First offense suspension for a game if in season, day (8 hours) of community service if out of season, second offense year sitting (burned year of eligibility), third offense being permanently kicked off the team, with scholarship revoked, and public reprimand. If the player is 21, only the game suspension would apply - players shouldn't be drinking in season, and shouldn't be drinking under 21 no matter what.

BlockM

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 PM ^

You may be in the minority here, but I agree with you. Underage drinking happens, but that doesn't mean it should be tolerated by the institution. Underage drinking doesn't automatically make you a terrible person, but it is against the law, and should be punished within the program as well. If you're disciplined enough for practice every day and getting in shape for games both mentally and physically, you should be disciplined enough to turn down drinks at a party. Peer pressure can be tough, but it's not that hard.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:19 PM ^

It is not the tiniest bit difficult to read between the lines and narrow it down to a very small sampling of the team and then based on what's already said, take an educated guess with a pretty damn good chance of being right. No, I don't know who it is, but perhaps there's too much detail already.

gater

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:26 PM ^

I'm not sure what you mean by "cleared up", but if you mean that the player should be removed from the team for being accused of a crime, I don't think that's the right thing to do. Unless the charges are dropped or the player pleads guilty, this could string out for a little bit. It would be tough to kick a kid off the team who says he's innocent until a court proves him guilty.

chitownblue2

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 PM ^

The player in question did not see the field this year but is/was expected to start next year. (No, not Justin Turner.) If you're making the decision to keep the name to yourself, why even include this?

rlew

November 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 PM ^

I don't know that there's anything wrong with being cautious and trying to avoid being the one that drops a name and also stopping short of giving the name, yet saying, "I know who it is." I mean, that's the decision he made and I think that's fine.

M-Wolverine

November 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 PM ^

The way you put it would be fine. But what he's asking is why modify that position with enough info that you can probably figure it out, or at least number it done to just a couple, if you really want to not reveal who it is? Either say nothing like you stated the case, or you might as well spill the beans if you're going to break it down that much.

rlew

November 22nd, 2009 at 3:17 PM ^

I understand your point. It's the same point chitown made. I'll just add that legally speaking, there's a difference between putting the name in the post and giving the vague description he gave. Saying that it's someone expected to start/contribute next year is plenty vague to avoid problems, even if you think you know who it is.

M-Wolverine

November 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 PM ^

Ok, if your feeling is he's ok with revealing it, but simply not for legal reasons (which can be a reasonable assumption from how it was worded), that would make sense. However, I'm fine with him not revealing it. If the police won't, no reason to do it here.

rlew

November 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 PM ^

No, but you're ignoring the legal considerations vs. moral considerations vs. journalistic considerations involved by suggesting he should either say nothing or give the name. (Maybe, you were suggesting that he should say nothing, I don't know for sure.) And, I think Brian explained the balance he was trying to strike below, which seems pretty reasonable.

chitownblue2

November 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^

I am saying this: Brian should either post the name, or not post the name, not post information that implicates one of 7 or 8 players on the team, so people can sit here and say "I bet it's _______", so that that kid, his friends, and his family can come here and see him accused of being a sex offender. Just say "A memeber of the football team has been arrested for sexual assault". This way, he's provided just enough information for people to make irresponsible guesses.