Allen Gant To SAM: What It Means
Gant == Cam Gordon
In news without explosions, Sam Webb reported yesterday($) that Allen Gant is moving down from safety to SAM in a shift reminiscent of Cam Gordon's, albeit without a bunch of painfully long touchdowns preceding it.
Gant [recruiting profile] was an early commit in the 2012 class who never really turned into the touted recruit he was supposed to be; at 6'2", 203 he'll have to add 20-30 pounds before he's a plausible option there. As a redshirt freshman behind two or three guys, he'll have time to do so. Meanwhile, allow me to congratulate myself at this juncture, as Gant's profile compared him to none other than Cam Gordon:
Gordon's listed at 6'3", 222 on the current roster after a few years on campus, which is where Gant will end up, give or take an inch and five pounds. Gordon came in as a WR, ended up moving to free safety in an ill-fated 3-3-5, and then slid all the way down to spur halfway through the 2010 season; he now mans an analogous position for Greg Mattison at SAM.
As a 3/4-star tweener Gordon was a little bit better regarded than Gant, and he's a little bigger. Both are thick guys who don't seem to have the speed to play WR or S despite being ticketed for those slots and might eventually find themselves somewhere else after a period of positional vagabondage.
SAM makes sense if Gant's natural inclination is to bulk up to 230, as Webb was told. It also suggests that Gant just wasn't much of a safety, as now the position verges on alarmingly thin. Next year's depth chart:
- Jarrod Wilson/Dymonte Thomas
- Jeremy Clark/Delano Hill
- Josh Furman/air
And that's if Furman returns for a fifth year and Thomas doesn't get himself locked into the nickelback spot long term, which I kind of hope he will since nickelback is capital-I Important these days. It looks like Michigan will be relying on three of four plausible options to log significant playing time, and while I'm pretty high on Thomas and Hill that's not many bullets for 2.5 starting spots.
Other roster upshots:
- Mike McCray may not be SAM-sized after all. If McCray is projected to play SAM Michigan is fine with Gordon/Ryan/Beyer/McCray and Winovich on the way. The Gant move suggests McCray will compete at the ILB spots, as does Michigan's continued pursuit of guys like Noah Furbush, who is 6'4", 240 and a SAM/WDE all the way.
- Michigan will take at least three DBs and possibly four in this class with a pure safety a priority. I know this is not what the insiders are saying at the moment (two or three, they assert), but I expect they will change their tune once the coaches get a good long look at the secondary depth chart and get a feel for how much they like Thomas at nickel. They've already backed off their assertions this would be a 16-man class; once a natural amount of attrition brings that number up between 18-20, safety is going to look like a—probably the—major area of need. None of the four incoming corner recruits looks particularly like a safety to me, as they are small or lanky.
- Hello certain recruits. Hopefully when PA S Montae Nicholson ramps up his recruitment there is strong mutual interest. Nicholson is reputedly a bit concerned about the number of DBs Michigan has brought in recently, but for a pure safety prospect like Nicholson there is plenty of opportunity. Also, a guy like IL CB Parrker Westphal, who some are speculating may wait himself out of the class, is going to find a door left open for him for a long time. He has the flexibility to go boundary/nickel/SS, either freeing up Thomas to move back or just plain being an athletic safety; a guy like him is just what the doctor ordered.
Safety has been a talent wasteland at UM for the last 10-15 years so I'd love to see a talented duo like Dymonte and Wilson manning the safety spots for a couple years. Peppers can handle the nickel spot for a year before sliding over to one of the starting CB spots.
Agreed. Thomas, if he's as advertised, you want on the field for every down. Nickel is supposed to be an easy to ease-into position, perfect for athletic, talented freshmen to get their feet wet. Let Thomas hand it off to Peppers, and so on down the line.
I honestly wonder if Michigan is any worse off than any other school here; it's Michigan FFS and I think safety is an underrated position.
Safety's always a tough position to fill IMHO because it's so demanding. The CW is that the middle linebacker is the "QB of the defense" but I've generally considered the MLB to be overrated in that respect because so much of it is instinct. Note I'm not saying it's easy; just that the responsibilities are misunderstood. Also, if the MLB makes a mistake it's a first down; if the last line of defense makes a mistake it's a TD. If a college defense uses a raw safety they will get scored on, and in bunches. DCs don't like that.
My point is that college safeties are kind of like NFL centers in that the position is so cerebral you're willing to concede the physical aspect rather than put in a freak athlete that just isn't ready. All the talent in the world isn't going to mean anything if you're out of position at safety. Yeah, I'm a huge Kovacs fan, and I think he just might see an NFL field as a Dolphin because a lot of the guys ahead of him don't have his knack for being around the ball.
I never really expect a freak athlete at safety; I usually expect upperclassmen that aren't necessarily talented so much as they've worked within the scheme for 3+ seasons. If you have a CB with the talent to stay with a wideout you typically keep that player at CB, anyway.
Marlin Jackson begs to differ with the "talent wasteland" comment.
From wikipedia:
Jackson attended the University of Michigan, where he played for coach Lloyd Carr's Michigan Wolverines football team from 2001 to 2004. As senior team captain in 2004, he was a first-team All-Big Ten selection, and a consensus first-team All-American, having received first-team honors from the Associated Press, American Football Coaches Association, Football Writers Association of American, The Sporting News, and ESPN.
FWIW I work with Dejuan Groce who played CB for Nebraska and was in the NFL for a bit. Well we were watching highlights of Peppers and he said no way a guy that big stays at corner. He seemed to think there was no doubt he would eventually move to safety.
I was thinking more like John Lynch
I, for one, would not be against moving Peppers to safety. I think he has the talent, size, and athleticism to be an absolute monster at safety. Of course, he could also be a monster at corner, so it's really on Thomas to prove that he's going to be good enough at safety to leave Peppers at corner.
Personally, I think it's the opposite - having an elite safety can make a defense so much more dynamic. Having a guy like Polomalu, Reed, or Berry can have a larger impact on the game as they're more likely to have an impact on every play than a corner is. I do think, however, that it's not necessarily a great thing to need to move him there, but if guys like Stribling, Lewis, Dawson, and Douglas turn out to be good corners at the college level, I would drool over a safety tandem of Thomas and Peppers. Especially if somehow we were to snag Jackson, since he could be a phenomenal corner with his athleticism.
Oops!
Ummm Peppers is Charles Woodson's size at 18 years old.
TGordon is a RS senior this year, thus he isn't on next year's depth chart.
I feel like he just got recruited like 2 years ago
not in 'this year' mode yet, so 'next year' to me means the next coming season (2013). That being said, I used a little deductive reasoning, made an inference, and ended up in the correct tense.
Wow! I guess I didn't realize the Safety position was that thin. It looks like there will be alot of baptism by fire.
EDIT: Thought that was 2013's depth chart then realized it was referring to 2014. I guess some of those guys won't be as inexperienced then.
If that is the 2014 depth chart, won't there be a safety or two in this class....
I would like to see them move Dennis Norfleet to safety, but not really move him to safety, just tell people they're moving him to safety, just to see Brian's head explode. Ahh, good times that would be.
will probably also be playing Safety by 2013.
Edit: 2014.
Failed corners often turn into safeties. The coaches are basically giving everyone a shot at corner before filtering some to safety. Delano Hill's not going to stick at corner, and I think both Channing Stribling and Reon Dawson could end up at safety down the road. That's potentially three safeties in the 2013 class, plus whoever Michigan gets in the 2014 class (Montae Nicholson?).
Agreed. Think this is much ado about nothing. Not all of these big CB's will stick at the position. The ones who don't will get moved to safety.
Also think there is a decent chance that one of the three WR's in the 2013 class will be at safety for 2014 spring practice. Don't see all three of them being major contributors at WR.
Pardon my ignorance. What skills does a top corner need that a safety doesn't?
Cornerbacks generally have to be your fastest defensive players, and they have to be able to keep up with wide receivers in man coverage. Safeties can be slower and stiffer, and they don't have to be as adept at sticking with wideouts.
Come on, WolvinLA2. The title of the goddam poster is "Never Forget."
That said, depth looks just fine to me.
This makes it sound like he's been a complete bust at UM, which is kind of a ridiculous thing to say about a kid who didn't even arrive on campus until 2012. He's a freaking redshirt freshman, for cripe's sake. How 'bout you wait until he's at least a junior before you pronounce "who never really turned into the touted recruit he was supposed to be;"
I think Brian was actually commenting on the fact that it was believed that Gant would be a higher ranked recruit as a high school senior based on his earlier exploits but that never came to pass.
I think he means that Gant, at one point early in high school, was considered to have a shot to be a high 4-star, maybe even 5-star, type of guy. Then he sort of stopped developing and everyone else caught up to him.
Holy s***. I don't know who thought that, but he was never going to be a 5-star kid. Maybe a 4-star, but even that was a stretch. Honestly, I never really saw why people got hyped about him in the first place. To me he settled in right where he belonged as a 3-star.
the "never really lived up to the hype" description would be much more aptly applied to somebody like Justin Turner.
There was some early hype (not as a senior, but as an underclassman), kind of like with Marvin Robinson. That faded with time, but even when he was young and seemingly advanced, I couldn't see why people were so high on him. By all accounts, he's a hard worker and a good kid, but he's limited athletically.
I vividly remember reading that as a freshman or sophomore, everyone thought he could be the top player in Ohio in his class. As everyone else grew up though, it seemed to be that he just grew early and as guys caught up to him physically, he slid down the OMG scale
Michigan, Ball State, BC, Bowling Green, Cincy, Miami (OH), Stanford, Toledo, Kentucky, Illinois, and WVU.
Getting offers from UM and Stanford is nothing to sneeze at, but the list in total does not scream a player who's going to get "hype," unless we're defining that term down to nice words said by UM fans about the son of a player from Bo's era.
Gant had always been an Ohio State lean. Schools knew (and he made it known) that he was going to either OSU or Michigan. Schools backed off ... but stated that if he changed his mind, there was a scholarship waiting. Other schools had offered including LSU and Nebraska (that I can confirm). Once Urban became Coach, he called Toledo wanting both Wormley and Gant.
Gant never stopped developing ... Gant's HS Coach did not play him much during his Jr & Sr years. You may verify this by watching his film or by asking opposing Coaches ... as I have done both. I have assisted a friend in Ohio who runs a football publication for many years. I have scouted Ohio kids for many years. I've seen Gant's "body of work" for 4 years. He is a winner and a big play specialist ... both football and basketball. Getting back to his HS Coach ... he believed that Gant had "developed & arrived" and therefore limited his time on the playing field. Both offensively and defensively. He wanted other kids to "develop and arrive" also. Gant's perceived "lack of development" was due to lack of playing time and not due to lack of progressing or developing. When it is all said and done ... Gant will be a tremondous player for the Wolverines.
I totally agree. Everybody said that about WIll Campbell too... and he was a five star recruit - not a 3 and 4 star tweener - and now he's in the NFL. So quick to judge, tisk tisk.
He did have that one sack against Alabama last year and then, you know, none after that. So...yeah. Not exactly a stud. He could have used a redshirt and some better coaching for his first couple years on campus, but there's nothing anyone can do about that now.
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