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By Brian — November 19th, 2012 at 3:03 PM — 140 comments
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SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC

Maryland prez tells regents MD, RU in Leaders Division w/OSU, PSU, Wisconsin, Purdue & Indiana. Illinois moves to Legends

Michigan will play OSU every year; other division opponents will play them once every six years. Good job, good effort Dave Brandon.

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:45 PM | Is this a done deal or can (Score:4 Interesting)
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Is this a done deal or can the presidents of the Big Ten schools vote it down?  And fire Delany while they're at it.

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:48 PM | Just a matter of time (Score:1)
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until the OSU-UM game is moved to early October.  Once OSU-UM play one or maybe 2 times back to back (last game of the regular season and then in the title game), the game will be moved.

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:49 PM | On the plus side (Score:3 Normal)
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Illinois gets their big rivalry with Michigan back to an every year thing.

 

Predicting Georgia Tech as team #15, Kansas as team #16

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:41 PM | I'm thinking Ohio to really (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm thinking Ohio to really tap into that growing Athens, OH market and then the University of Hong Kong, because China = ONE BILLION TV SETS!!!!!

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:51 PM | cant wait for the installment of (Score:2 Normal)
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big ten's greatest coaches - ralph friedgen

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:54 PM | OH (Score:2 Normal)
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and let's not forget - we ARE adding tradition. rutgers beat princeton in the first college football game every played.

 

so we have that going for the B1G.  

.....

can we start calling it B$G or is that still too lowbrow for the blog?

.....

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:51 PM | We should all chill..... (Score:1)
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There is no denying that this alignment is idiotic, BUT we can also face a few troubling, if advantageous, facts about the B1G.  Northwestern is middling at best, sparty is regressing toward their private (below average) mean, Nebraska is and will be good, but their move to the B1G seems not to have helped their recruiting.  They don't seem particularly scary in the long term.  On the other hand, Michigan and Ohio (and ND) are all looking to be genuinely great within 2 to 4 years (none qualify now).  Does this alignment grease Ohio's path to the title game? sure.  But if we take care of our business we should play in about 1/2 to 2/3 of the B1G championship games in the fairly near future.  Likely about the same as Ohio.

We're gonna play with toughness, we're gonna be responsible and we're gonna play with toughness.  This is Michigan.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | After going 1-1 against Nebraska (Score:1)
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in the first two years, they are already becoming our new biggest rival because they are in our division and we are the top two teams in said division.  On a side note, the chances of ever meeting Ohio in the championship game, seem rather low.  I can't decide if that's a good thing or bad?

...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:59 PM | And remember that Nebraska (Score:3 Normal)
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And remember that Nebraska gets to play soon to be crappy Penn State every-year while we play Ohio State.

 

Terrible

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November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 PM | Going through the (Score:2)
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Going through the Divisions:

Michigan = Ohio State

Nebraska = Wisconsin (= for now, Wisconsin is trending downwards)

Michigan State > PSU (we all saw what a depleted roster has done to USC, it's double that for PSU)

Northwestern/Iowa > Maryland/Rutgers (NU is on the uprise and always annoying, and Iowa has been a 7, 8 win team for most of the decade, one bad season doesn't change Iowa forever)

Minny slightly > Purdue (because Danny Hope is about to get fired)

Illinois < Indiana (holy balls Illinois is bad)

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:53 PM | Beat Ohio (Score:0)
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I'm sure the Suckeyes are thrilled to be playing Maryland and Rutgers every year.  That's about the only positive I can rationalize from this.

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:59 PM | Penn State? Cool! Nebraska? (Score:3 Normal)
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Penn State? Cool! Nebraska? Nice move! These 2? Wait, what?

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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November 19th, 2012 at 3:59 PM | Maryland droped like 8 sports (Score:2 Normal)
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Maryland droped like 8 sports recently didn't they? I think we just poached the baseball coach from Maryland partly b/c the Maryland AD couldn't support the program at a high level.

 

Rutgers & Maryland don't do anything at a high level.

 

We just took mid- to-low-level teams from the ACC and BEast. Both of those league are shrugging their shoulders and saying, 'eh, whatever'

 

the ACC will jsut grab Uconn, the Beast is dead anyway. What happened to the "we won't look to expand just to maintain status quo" line that Delaney talked about for the last 2 years?

UNC, Duke, GT all have more athletic and academic plusses.

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:34 PM | MD lacrosse has been to the (Score:1)
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MD lacrosse has been to the title game two years in a row. That, to me, is doing something at a high level.

And I have no idea why people think Maryland is an inferior academic institution. I see that point with Rutgers, not with Maryland.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:00 PM | Such a depressing sop to the (Score:2 Normal)
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Such a depressing sop to the great moneyball in the sky. Totally dilutes the spirit and identity of the B10. Nobody wants to go play in Piscataway and College Park.

Plus, now it's only a matter of time before 2 more teams are added to make it 16. Given the geographic trends, I'm guessing most people here agree that the best scenario would involve UNC and Virginia: top-notch schools with considerable fan-bases and tv markets. But why would basketball-first program leave the warm embrace of the ACC? I don't see UNC separating from Duke and NC State. 

Since it's all about TV, logic says the league now takes aim at other get-able schools near their new footprint (which unfortunately amounts to the dead-zone of college football): GTech, VA, VT, BC. The only remotely viable big-splash options left are Oklahoma, FSU. OU is a sub-standard school; the Noles literally have nothing in common with the other teams.

Prediction: VA and GT.

 

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:04 PM | How about (Score:2)
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Kansas:  Kansas City TV market

Oklahoma:  Oklahoma and large chunk of Texas markets

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:15 PM | I'm never going to be able to (Score:2)
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I'm never going to be able to remember who is in what conference now. No more m's + n's the Iowa in the conference without the actual word featured in our fight song in our conference and everybody else in the other.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:25 PM | Kiss Wisc and PSU goodbye (Score:2 Normal)
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If you are student and spend 4 years in Ann Arbor, it is likely you may spend your entire time in Ann Arbor without getting to see a game in the Big House against the cheeseheads or a last minute dismantling of PSU.  Think of the epic games/finishes UM has had against those two teams.  Another end of an era.  I'm beginning to realize that the Big Ten Network is the devil.   But hey, Brandon promised on 60 minutes to bring entertainment to the fans.  Moar skydiving gameballz!!  The entertainment that I want to see is the freakin tradiitonal Big 10 teams playing in the Big House every other year.

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November 19th, 2012 at 6:41 PM | This would only matter if (Score:2 Insightful)
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This would only matter if students actually cared enough to show up for games. Currently, they don't seem to.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:30 PM | 50 Millions American (Score:1)
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50 Millions American Dollars.

 

holy shit, they are desperate to GTFO of the ACC

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:34 PM | I just need to say: (Score:1)
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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!

I hate you Jim Delaney!

You are banned from this historical conference!  You and your children and your children's children...  for three months!

Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:40 PM | These teams are obviously (Score:1)
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These teams are obviously here for the rest of us to beat up on and pad our win columns. Fewer trips to Arlington and the Left Coast, more cross divisional cupcakes. Dave Brandon said their joining the conference came with an agreeement to always play their home games in the New Meadowlands Stadium. They'll just dress the stands up like Buck Rodgers for Rutgers games, vomit and wood chips for Maryland. Also officially changing the division name to Ledgers and Leadins. I tell myself this makes sense because I'm unprepared to deal with the reality of how much the move is actually a B1G steaming bowl of elephant piss. BIG TEEEEEEENNN!!!

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:53 PM | All things considered... (Score:2)
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All things considered... although this is a big change for the B1G as a whole, this doesn't affect Michigan THAT much.  We are still guaranteed to play 6 of the other 9 traditional B1G teams annually.  We've replaced the others with an annual game against Nebraska, which might be an improvement.  We'll still play one of the other traditional B1G teams or PSU almost annually.

The big overhaul is going to come when Central Florida or Rice or Portland State is added to get up to 16 in a couple more years.  I'm assuming they're just waiting to inevitably reach 16 teams before bothering to rework the divisions.  My other assumption is that when they do rework the divisions, the result will be even more nonsensical with respect to geography and tradition.

Ann Arbor: now the permanent home of the Little Brown Jug

67-22-3 all-time

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:54 PM | Until they add 2 more crap (Score:1)
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Until they add 2 more crap schools

In Hoke we trust...

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November 19th, 2012 at 4:54 PM | Why does it seem that this (Score:1)
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Why does it seem that this came out of nowhere?

In Hoke we trust...

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November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 PM | Mary Sue? (Score:1)
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There has been a fair amount of discussion about Brandon’s role in this.  In the end the final say, and Michigan’s vote, comes from Mary Sue Coleman.  If you are displeased with this move she would probably be the place to start.

presoff@umich.edu

Not that it will make any difference but it is a place to register your opinion.  She won’t read it of course but there may be a staffer that gives a count of for and against e-mails to her.

 

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November 19th, 2012 at 6:05 PM | Big ten? (Score:1)
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Are they just going to keep adding schools until they get 10 teams in each division, then they can feel good about using the name again?

Ann Arbor by birth.  Wolverine by choice.

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November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 PM | Getting Dave Brandon wrong is (Score:3 Normal)
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Getting Dave Brandon wrong is fast becoming your legacy. You continually overstate or misrepresent Brandon's influence on the changing superstructure of collegiate athletics, and fail to recognize that his responsibility (and really, the only thing he can tangibly direct) is to ensure Michigan's continued success within that environment. In this regard we could not ask for a better athletic director in this current context. 

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November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 PM | ^^^ (Score:1)
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Someone who GETS IT.

Dave Brandon has to make decisions as an Athletics Director. Not a fan, loyalist, coach, or anything else.

In this instance...it wasn't his decision so to blame him for this is asinine.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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November 19th, 2012 at 7:34 PM | Something happens to the Big Ten... (Score:2 Normal)
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OH MY GOD! DAVE BRANDON WHAT THE HECK?

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November 19th, 2012 at 8:02 PM | this is so dumb. (Score:1)
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this is so dumb.

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November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 PM | For those ragging on Dave Brandon (Score:0 Normal)
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I wanted to repost this after someone called him "incompetant" earlier.

It's truly SAD to see you all rag on DB because in all honesty --- he's a GREAT athletics director. He's got to look out for the University of Michigan. Not ensuring Michigan and Ohio get the same division. I hate being the dick that throws around credentials, but many of you talking crap about Brandon have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. Do I like DB a person? Not really --- I think he's arrogant. Do I want to see Rutgers in the B1G? Nope --- but I understand why and would've made the same choice if I were an AD and not a fan.

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That is the most idiotic statement I've heard all month.

You don't know the first THING about college athletics. And I'm not gonna throw the "I know more than you card out" ...but fuck it, I know more than. I've worked in college athletics administration for over 10 years INCLUDING in the B1G AND at Maryland.

Maryland HAD to make this move, they were BROKE --- thanks to Debbie Yow (who was the AD when I was there). Michigan has more money than they know what to do with thanks to Dave Brandon. Maryland is in DC, Michigan is in the struggling state of MICHIGAN.

Some how we've got a new Crisler, a "new" Big House, a "new" Yost, Under The Lights, The Big Chill, etc. --- and plenty more on the way.

We've started D1 LAX, we've hired Brady Hoke, we've helped our basketball team reach #4 in the country.

Yet the man who oversees all of this is incompetant. What a moronic statement.

Dave Brandon knows this will make him and his university more money --- PERIOD. People in Maryland are going to pay to see Michigan play on the road there and people in Michigan will pay for to see Maryland just like they pay to see us play Minnesota and Northwestern.

The University of Maryland just had to cut sports...do you know how BAD that is for an athletics department? Of couse not. Meanwhile, we just started a LACROSSE program --- do you know how EXPENSIVE that is?! Of course not.

Don't post on things you have no idea about.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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November 19th, 2012 at 11:28 PM | Its like your division is your new conference now (Score:3 Normal)
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and the other division is another separate nearby vaguely familiar conference....until it changes when they go to 16 for whatever reason.

The "Maryland Divisions" as leaked by them might well be premature, a trial balloon, or a temporary placeholder.  I'd think that's more an AD decision and they will hopefully be more sympathetic to the fans that make CFB what it is. Though UM fans have a (well deserved) reputation for arrogance, this is one case where your concerns are quite valid.

Though Nebraska takes a back seat to no one for winning tradition and championships, we are sensible enough to know the B1G we joined is at its heart a Michigan-Ohio St conference. It's entirely legitimate to expect some respect and preferential treatment. College Football without traditional rivalries is just.......pro football lite.

The XII was always a shotgun wedding, purely a media-$$$ driven marriage of convenience that was doomed from the start (still is). Hope the B1G doesn't devolve into the same thing.

As one poster said, the B1G jumped the shark on this one.

“We have no rival. We are Nebraska.”

--Bob Devaney

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