27 Tickets To Team 135: Pre-Bowl Edition Comment Count

Brian

What is this? Folks who cover the USMNT drop lists like this projecting the 23 guys who end up on the next World Cup team. I have appropriated it. Regarding the number of tickets: 22 starters on offense and defense + 2 kickers + nickelback + FLEX TE  + fullback.

THIS IS THE POST-SEASON LOOKING FORWARD UPDATE. New team equals wholesale changes.

PACK YOUR BAGS

bilde[1]1. QB Devin Gardner, Sr.* [Last time: 7]

Has an offseason to heal after maniacal up and down first full year as a starter contained plenty of brilliant plays and plenty of awful ones. Upside vast; variance vast; someone get this man a flak jacket.

Jake-Ryan[1]2. SAM Jake Ryan, Sr.* [Last time: NR due to ACL]

Was not quite the same sower of destruction after midseason return from ACL tear, but kept adding Jake Ryan-ness as year went along. Should go out with quite a bang as a chaos merchant and TFL provider. Gordon's departure leaves him without much of a backup. Has a porsche. DOES NOT HAVE A PORSCHE, OSU FANS.

funchess-um-football-game[1]3. WR Devin Funchess, Jr. [Last time: 5]

Blocking improved not one iota but when the man is 6'5" and jumping over cornerbacks and running past safeties it doesn't matter. Neared 750 yards, most of it after WR switch. Going to absorb a ton of Gallon's targets. This is a very good thing. Still wish he was wearing 19. No longer chasing Jim Mandich's record because cumong man. Do not put weight on this man.

10226222015_d3e1456eb3_b[1]4. CB Blake Countess, Jr* [Last time: 17]

Returned from ACL tear with spate of terrific interceptions; largely avoided despite Taylor playing pretty well on the other side. Slot tasking in nickel packages may go away with Peppers arriving and Thomas maturing; either way he's on the field for every snap he's healthy for.

image5. ILB Desmond Morgan, Sr. [Last time: 14]

Michigan's QB on defense and most reliable tackler. Thumper somewhat lacking in athleticism but UConn interception begs to differ with you, last year's book on Desmond Morgan. Brings the wood when he tackles. Maybe not quite Chris Borland. Bolden, Gedeon will spot.

bilde[2]6. ILB James Ross, Jr. [Last time: 19]

Did not have the breakout season predicted as the defensive tackles had trouble keeping him clean. Still clearly outperformed his competitors and the promise of a Pipkins/Henry DT pairing next year would be the kind of outfit that could result in a huge year for Ross.

BFrajY8CUAAI2Uf11177. WDE Frank Clark, Sr. [Last time: 20]

Grady Brooks grumbles gave way at midseason as he rounded into a pretty good player. OSU stoned him; still well short of elite. That's probably not happening but his progression is encouraging; if continued he's a fringe all-conference sort. Wait, he's already second team ABT?

UNLESS SOMETHING STRANGE HAPPENS

Ld4vH[1]8. S Jarrod Wilson, Jr. [Last time: 22]

Clearly Michigan's best option at safety with Gordon and Avery gone. Choosing to believe that all of the late safety shuffling was because he was privately injured, and then publicly when he played on special teams against OSU with a huge cast on his arm. Has upside; needs to be secondary QB.

13350471-standard[1]9. SDE Brennen Beyer, Sr. [Last time: NR]

Beyer was playing too well to send to the bench when Ryan came back, and with Clark's rapid progression midseason the move for Beyer was to SDE, where he was kind of effective and kind of really small. M will try to get him up to 285, a la Craig Roh, and get Roh's B+ senior performance out of him.

9856114085_66cdeac232_b[1]10. FLEX Jake Butt, So. [Last time: NR]

Passed blocking-only AJ Williams in utility midway through last year en route to 17 catches. Bulked up significantly from spring to fall; if that continues should be an effective dual threat tight end the likes of which Michigan lost once Kevin Koger graduated. Will get playing time split out in shotgun sets. Twitter isn't over his name yet.

Willie Henry Michigan v Connecticut GVJN3qglVSsl[1]11. 3TECH Willie Henry, So.*

Enormous, powerful freshman alternated ragdolling OL and getting blown out of holes by them; sometimes combined those things on the same play. If technique takes a major step forward, look out. Heininger Certainty Principle, don't fail me now. May be used at NT if Pipkins is still damaged.

wile_thumb[1]12. K Matt Wile, Sr. [Last Time: 15]

Gibbons graduates, leaving Wile the presumed starter at kicker. Has a bigger leg; does not have a track record of being automatic from within 42 yards give or take a shaky four-game sequence in his senior year. Will also handle kickoffs and at least pooch punting.

gif_74x89_07ca6113. SLOT Dennis Norfleet, Jr. [Last Time: NR]

For the love of slippery Jesus cannah get this guy a hot tub? I mean playing time. Playing time where he does not get the ball every time he's on the field. Give this man the ball in space. I beg you. Things will HAPPEN, man. Fun-ass things. Also there are no other slot receivers on the roster yet.

FAIRLY SAFE BET

raymon-taylor-pick-thumb-646x429-122643[1]14. CB Raymon Taylor, Sr. [Last time: 7]

This low not because of what he did but because of one Jabrill Peppers. Could see his job reduced to nickel if Peppers meets the hype. Coming off quality, play-laden junior year; consistency and run support are issues.

1020984[1]15. NT Ondre Pipkins, Jr. [Last time: NR]

This low because his a very large man coming off a midseason ACL injury. Is otherwise the heir apparent at nose. Was making signs of progression before injury; this would be the year he blows up into a mighty thing. Stupid ligaments.

glasgow-cat-sweater[1]16. C Graham Glasgow, Jr* [Last time: 15]

The only interior lineman to not lose his job at some point during the year is likely to play somewhere. If Kugler is all that as a redshirt freshman, it'll be at guard. If he's not quite ready, as OL tend to be, it'll be at center. Technically a walk-on but probably time to get over that.

385446_3012007678845_1455385026_n1_thumb[1]17. T Erik Magnuson, So.* [Last time: NR]

First he was preferred to Ben Braden for injury and 6 OL sets; then he was thrust into the lineup at RG; then he was flipped to LG so Michigan could pull someone else off the field. In the heaving mass of chaos of last year's OL that's a strong recommendation. Now please put on 30 pounds.

op44-650418. NICKEL Jabrill Peppers, Fr. [Last time: NR]

FR seems like closest thing to Woodson 2.0 imaginable. Unlikely to burst right into starting lineup with quality veterans returning, but demands immediate PT and can be boundary w/ Countess at nickel. Was that something about visits? LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU.

noodling11_thumb[1]19. TE AJ Williams, Jr. [Last time: 13]

Blocking tight end was unable to block. Slight issue. Technique bad; strength seemingly eh; only high up here because no one on roster duplicates hypothetical skill set save Paskorz. Wanted to noodle as recruit, that's why the picture.

IN A BATTLE

DerrickGreenUMhatTimesDispatch_original_crop_exact[1] 20. RB Derrick Green, So. [Last time: 27]

Freshman year mostly miserable due to things out of his control (OL) and in it (his weight). 82 carries is 60 more than De'Veon Smith, his nearest competitor, and while a platoon figures to be in the offing he should be the guy with the plurality of carries.

UM-scrimmage-Cleary-Clark[1]21. S Jeremy Clark, So.* [Last time: NR]

This is supposed to be Dymonte Thomas, but Clark has an experience edge on Thomas, who has still not actually played a deep safety in HS or college. Clark has, and at 6'4" has some nice upside. Hill may also factor in here. Easily the most uncertain spot on the defense.

freetownsfinest-thumb-300x224-101756[1]22. WR Amarah Darboh, So.* [Last time: 25]

Still projecting Darboh to be the #2 receiver despite the year lost to injury as Chesson did not have the kind of impact that would clearly move him past a guy who was slated to start. Still Freetown's finest.

Joe Kerridge in action during Michigan's annual Spring Football Game at Michigan Stadium, Saturday, April 15th. 23. FB/HB Joe Kerridge, Jr.* [Last Time: 26]

Khalid Hill and Wyatt Shallman come off redshirts to provide heavy competition in the catchy/runny/blocky areas; Kerridge only does the latter. Still, who likes freshmen? That's nobody. Kerridge will still be the guy called on more often than other options here.

Kyle_Kalis_Action-thumb-590x499-83764[1]24. G Kyle Kalis, So.* [Last time: 11]

Part of the problem last year; yanked midseason so Michigan could insert Magnuson, a 285-pound tackle; reinserted after Bosch had an ugly game of his own against Northwestern; did participate in good game from line against OSU. Should develop; could easily be replaced.

7879940[1]25. G Kyle Bosch, So. [Last time: NR]

Started a few games as true FR, was good in a couple and bad in a couple. Rep as nasty mauler, of course; needs strength and technique; lost in pass pro, but was freshman. Major leap would be nice. There can only be one highlander.

11290091[1]26. T Ben Braden, So.* [Last time: NR]

Once the presumed starter at LG, Braden fell off the radar in fall camp because he is "just not a guard" and then did not re-emerge even amongst the chaos. Hopefully that is just a fit issue because there's not a whole lot of competition for him other than 6'4" Dawson.

ICdzU[1]27. P Will Hagerup, Sr.* [Last time: NR]

Has kept his nose clean so far through Stonum suspension and will be given opportunity to reclaim punting job. Was already wildly variable. How will he be after a year off? Best thing going for him is all the stuff on Wile's plate. Occasionally makes faces other than OH GOD BALL WHERE IS BALL OH GOD I'M GOING TO DIE.

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PUSHING FROM BEHIND

QB Shane Morris—M should try to redshirt him with Bellomy back and Speight on campus. If Gardner gets hurt he'll have to play; hand garbage time and odd snaps where Gardner has to leave to Bellomy.
QB Russell Bellomy—Will be healthy. Arm strength unlikely to improve significantly.

RB DeVeon Smith—Came on late; should be #2 option in rotation.
RB Drake Johnson—Listed second on depth chart early in season before ACL tear. If he's the best blocker they've got there's a role. Probably their fastest guy, too.
RB Justice Hayes—Cameos as WR out of backfield; move to slot possible.

C Patrick Kugler—sure thing for an OL, which means not that much of a sure thing.
C Jack Miller—may have seen his last snap without injury but remains an option.
G Blake Bars—needs to come a long way to compete.
G Chris Bryant—maybe a healthy year gets him where he needs to go.
G Dan Samuelson—least touted of 2013 OL class still kind of touted.
T David Dawson—will compete at RT with Braden.
T Logan Tuley-Tillman—unlikely to be ready just yet.
T Chris Fox—ditto.

WR Jehu Chesson—likely a de facto third starter at WR. Still needs bulk.
WR DaMario Jones—could push for some PT in slot.
WR Drake Harris—injured as SR but does enroll early and should be healthy in the spring. Brings more upside than last year's recruits.
WR Freddy Canteen—route artisan may be best candidate for Dileo role even as FR.

SDE Keith Heitzman—strictly a plugger; should feature in the rotation.
SDE Tom Strobel—assume he plays SDE this year; buried as a 3T.
DT Maurice Hurst Jr.—Mike Martin-style penetrator should get rotation snaps at NT.
DT Richard Ash—could be in the rotation, maybe?
DT Henry Poggi—RVB-type balance maven also should push into rotation.
DE/DT Chris Wormley—Plenty of PT a year ago; needs more explosion.
WDE Mario Ojemudia—all right as sophomore. Weight seemed to strip some quickness.
WDE Taco Charlton—could blow up; could be meh.

SAM Mike McCray—technically not a SAM yet. Will be by end of spring. Book it.
MLB Joe Bolden—Played a lot, but how well was debatable.
WLB Ben Gedeon—Showed well in some playing time late. Freak athlete.

CB Channing Stribling—will be good if he just stops phasing out.
CB Jourdan Lewis—apologize to the gypsy, son.
CB Ross Douglas—Avery type probably has to cool his heels another year.
S Josh Furman—forced into lineup last year with poor results.
S Delano Hill—rep as a guy with advanced safety skills coming out of Cass, so make of that what you will.
S Dymonte Thomas—burned redshirt to block that one punt; still raw.

Comments

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 11:52 AM ^

He's so much more valuable as a TE who can block and run past safeties than as a standard WR.  It would be worth compromising a little speed for a significant bump in blocking. The versatility would introduce mismatch opportunities left and right.  The size/speed tradeoff may not be a zero-sum game, anyway. He's still going to win jump balls at 260 lbs.

Furthermore, do you want to continue to play AJ Williams in 2 TE sets with Butt, or do you want to play Funchess and open up a spot at WR for Chesson, Darboh, Canteen, Harris, etc?  I'd rather the WR was out there.

Funchess learning to block and developing into a TE in his 3rd year is one of the most important offseason developments for this team.

 

TartanAlex

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:09 PM ^

Well, sure, if he proved to be a "TE who can block" that would be super-smashing-great-and-lovely but what evidence exists to support the notion that he can be that guy? Precious little thus far. 

But rather than worry about that let's focus on what he *can* do. Put him on the field, throw him the ball and let him catch it. He can create havoc. 

A monster WR is a pretty valuable commodity. 

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:22 PM ^

Is something a lot of players learn to do.  Most TEs who can't block get the red-shirt/back-up treatment so we never get to be exposed to their issues.  Many OL take a few years to emerge as competant blockers.  I'll give DF the same patience and benefit of the doubt. His receiving put him on the field early, but his blocking may still come.

In an ideal world where Michigan has veteran dual-threat players at TE, Funchess would have red-shirted last year and been a surprise receiving threat this year. Next year (as a RS Soph) he'd be emerging as a starting dual-threat TE with plus plus plus receiving skills.  He's not too far off what a typical 2nd year TE might be, IMO.

He still sucked at blocking, yes, but he gained significant size.  If he can do it again next year, it will help.

 

 

wolverine1987

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:38 PM ^

with his skills is more valuable than what he already is--a WR who provides exactly the same mismatch issues for opposing CB's now, as he would against opposing LB's/safeties as a TE. A strong argument could be made that he is far more valuable at WR given Jake Butt at TE. I'm not sure why you think putting him at TE does anything extra for this team.

michgoblue

December 3rd, 2013 at 3:08 PM ^

I think that you are correct in your analysis - a TE with Funchess' receiving skills creates such a huge match-up problem.  That is why players such a Gronk, Graham and (pre-murder) Hernandez were so effective.  How many LB or safety are going to be able to cover Funch?  Also, having such a player at TE is a rare commodity, so why not use him as such, especially when we have what looks to be great receiver depth and skill coming in with Chesson, Darboh and some of the younger kids.  Imagine a package consisting of Darboh, Chesson, Butt and Funch, with Green in the backfield and Devin at QB.  That's a crap ton of skill weapons out there for a D to account for. 

At the same time, I do think that there is something to be said about just having a dominant receiver.  Think back to the days of Braylon, Manningham, AC, Desmond, etc.  Funchess has the body type and combo if skill / size that will allow him to be a dominant receiver - a Minitron, if you will. 

If I were Al Borges, I would have Funch work on being a pass catching TE first (which means working on blocking), but at the same time spent 25% of his time with the WR group.  If the young receivers work out well, then keep Funch as a TE as you suggest.  If the receiving corps is struggling, them move Funch there where he can continue doing what he did this year, but a bit of refinement and technical improvement.

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 PM ^

Is certainly great but a) that receiver can come from the TE position.  The chargers offense did this with Antonio Gates for years and no matter who was outside of him, their offense hummed along quite nicely.

More importantly, while Funchess is indeed very good, I'm not sure he's on the heismen-contending level as a WR.  That remains to be seen. Bad bad drops the last couple weeks and  he's played a lot better against inferior competition and been held in check by better clubs mostly - and that's WITH Jeremy Gallon on the other side.  Next year that luxury is gone and defenses can focus a lot more attention on him.

I think we'd benefit a great deal from having 2 guys that are both 2-way TEs.  Like you said - putting Butt, Funchess, and Chesson out there with a 4th threat (be it Bunting, Harris, Canteen, Darboh, etc.) is a great way for our defense to become dangerous.  Certainly more so than Paskorz/Williams being there.  And clearly, the run game can be more effective with two TEs if the pass threat is equivalent (i.e., if the safeties can't cheat).

 

GoBLUinTX

December 3rd, 2013 at 1:22 PM ^

Went from 3 deep QB to TE during the 1994 off season.  He started at TE for 1994 and 1995 seasons before moving on to a nine year NFL career.  This would be when Michigan's TEs were expected to block and do it well.  So in one off season, with an injury, Riemersma learned how to block well and catch passes.  What did JR have that apparently Funchess is lacking? Desire.  If Funchess really wanted to he could learn the craft of blocking, but it's on him and like speed, desire can't be coached. 

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^

Funchess has stated his desire to get better at blocking.  He knows his ticket to the NFL is probably at TE and he needs to improve blocking to get there.  I don't know Funchess personally, but he seems like a hard-working kid to me, and his public comments have been positive.  There is a reason why most OL/TE red-shirt their freshman year - blocking takes time.

I prefer to give our players the benefit of the doubt, especially when they are 15 months into their college career.

MGoStrength

December 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 PM ^

How do you know?  Do you know Funchess' 40 time?  I'm not disagreeing, but I think it's a little too early to make that judgement.  Funchess' soph year stats are pretty similar to Johnson's soph year stats.  Johnson blew up his junior year and went pro.  We'll see what Funchess does next year.  I do think Johnson is more of a WR and Funchess is more of a pass catching TE.  Funchess has a little bigger frame, wider shoulders, and will probably be bigger than Johnson by the time he graduates seeing they are the same height and weight now and Funchess was about 15 pounds heavier coming out of high school than Johnson was.  But, I just think it's a little too early to compare either way.  It's probably not fair to compare him the best WR in the NFL.  But, it's probably not fair to say he doesn't have the potential either.

Hoke_Floats

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 PM ^

Jay Riemersma was special and the exception not the rule.  He blocked and caught waggles.  Not even in the same receiving category as Funchess.

Also, Riemersma was next to John Runyan and had RBs who could block behind him

Funchess could be regarded as one of the greatest if not the greatest TE in the history of UofM by the time he leaves in 2yrs.

 

 

Thad_Castle

December 3rd, 2013 at 4:08 PM ^

IMO the comparison is unfair.

The game is a lot different now than it was back then.  D Lineman and Linebackers are monsters (not that they weren't back then, but moreso now).  I'd imagine it is much harder to block a DL or Linebacker nowadays after they have had years of training on how to shed blocks compared to Devin's two years of learning how to block.

michgoblue

December 3rd, 2013 at 3:11 PM ^

The thing with blocking is that it takes time to develop the skill for some players.  If our team were not so thin at certain spots, Funch would almost certainly have redshirted last season, and been slowly worked his way into the line-up this season.  That would have allowed for more time to develop his blocking technique.  Also, keep in mind that the team was playing its first season under a whole new offensive scheme.  I think that this impacted blocking abilities for many on the squad. 

Michigan Arrogance

December 3rd, 2013 at 6:17 PM ^

I agree- I keep comparing him to Tim Massaquoi, who was a HUGE HS WR out of PA- everyone knew he was too big to be a WR, but M recruited him to "compete" at WR. It was a forgone conclusion that he'd get RSed, move to TE and not see the field for 3 years, which is basically what happened. his blocking was brutal until his RSJR year, was poised to be all B10 as a SR and broke his hand.

it would have been great to RS Funchess let him work into TE, but that time passed long ago. the process described above (75% TE blocking in practice, but lots of PT @ WR if he can't block) sounds good to me.

Rabbit21

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:18 PM ^

I think you're assuming that the ability to block will come with a little more weight and training.  Which given what we've seen this year is a bold assumption.  Right now Funchess is extremely valuable to the team as a mini-Megatron and is a proven commodity at WR of which we have few.  I agree that if this worked out it would be great, but I don't necessarily see that happening and it could end up sacrificing one of the few effective bits of the offense.  Plus I think Jake Butt has the blocky catchy TE thing covered for next year.

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:29 PM ^

I don't think it's a bold assumption to assume that a 2nd year player will improve his blocking skills dramatically over the next 2 or 3 seasons.  It is typical of most OL and TEs (and RBs and WR) to get better at blocking as upperclassmen.

Funchess is in the same class as Kalis, Magnuson, Braden, Bars, Williams.  We expect those guys to get bigger and better at blocking.  The only difference with Funchess is that he has other skills that put him on the field already.

Blue in Yarmouth

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:42 PM ^

I think a better word for it is hope rather than expect. If the coaching stays the same (and it seems as though it will) what evidence do you have that anyone has improved their blocking under this coaching staff? Sure it happens almost everywhere else, but does it here? 

I think the point is right now he chas enough speed to get away with playing WR and all the evidence suggests he can't block now, so why put a bunch of weight on him, slow him down and hope for the best? If it doesn't pan out you have just removed our biggest weapon on offense for yet another TE who can't block...we have enough of those.

God willing this staff can teach A.J. and Jake how to block (and the o-line as well...please,please,please) and we can keep our best option at WR at, you know, WR. 

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 1:14 PM ^

If the OL does not improve, the whole conversation is moot.  Doesn't matter who the WRs/TEs are if Lewan/Schofield are replaced by guys who couldn't even start this year.

Have to make the assumption these coaches can teach blocking, or else we're dead.

Tommy Want Wingy

December 3rd, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

I'm also in the "Funchess back to TE" camp, sort of. I think we have enough depth at WR now, even if young that he is more valuable in a Jimmy Graham hybrid role. He may not put up 1200 yards like he would exclusively at WR but Butt and Funchess bearing down on LB's and Safeties is a tremendous asset. This is all assuming that he can learn to even sort of block, which I believe he can.

alum96

December 3rd, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^

"I think we have enough depth at WR now"

Huh? 

If you move Funchess back to TE your leading returning WR is Chesson.  Your 2nd leading WR is Northfleet.  Your 3rd is Darboh who has yet to play a game.  The depth is there but it is very young - a bunch of guys who barely saw the field this year and/or redshirted, and another crop of freshman.  I could see your comment as accurate in 2015 but not 2014.  Let Butt be the starter and maybe Bunting does the Butt role in 2014.  We need a premier #1 WR - we dont have one.  Chesson is not it yet and Darboh until proven otherwise is a highly touted practice player ala Braden.

Tommy Want Wingy

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:25 PM ^

Yes, the depth is very unproven, which is why a player such as Funchess is valuable in a hybrid role. Someone with his unique talents is far better utilized moving all over the field. He is a mismatch wherever you line him up, but in two tight end sets I don't believe its a stretch to think that Funchess, Butt, and a combination of Chesson, Darboh, Canteen, and Harris is our best personnel grouping.

Space Coyote

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:09 PM ^

I don't think he needs to add that much weight, but if he can add about 10 lbs and become a decent blocker, the mismatch and potential becomes that much more apparent. He's good enough now to be a guy that plays some WR. But if you catch the defense unsure if it's 11 personnel or 12 personnel, which is a significant difference, then you can utilize mismatches much better.

In my opinion, Funchess has upside similar to Mike Williams out of USC as a WR. That's pretty good for college, no doubt, but I think it's unfair to him. Because his upside as a quasi-TE/WR is similar to Julius Thomas currently of the Denver Broncos. I think he can provide a Kellen Winsow type match-up issue in college, which is just as effective as Mike Williams was, by just getting to slightly below average at blocking. I think it's worth having him practice more at TE through spring ball and then go from there as far as what he does more of. But if you have Butt and Funchess on the field together (the TEs will or should be working very much on blocking during the off season), then you have a pair of guys that cause a lot of problems for defenses.

I think people are kind of forgetting that his FR year he had no business being on the field other than there was no one else. In that time, he was likely learning much more about routes than he was blocking, and he wasn't physically or mentally ready for that anyway. So he's had essentially one off-season and a half a regular season to really pick up on blocking. I think it is well worth getting another spring season to work on those things and see where it leads.

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^

Especially Mike Williams. Comparisons to Calvin Johnson shouldn't be made for college WRs, let alone TEs. 

The difference between how Ben Braden is judged and how Devin Funchess is judged is interesting.  Neither has shown they can block yet - doesn't mean they won't be able to next year.

Good point about the focus on route-running during his freshman year.

aplatypus

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:45 PM ^

he needs to maintain his speed more than he needs to become a larger, stronger blocker. He can be an adequate blocker with a bit of technique and understanding improvement. 

So many times this year he ran passed the guy he was supposed to block, or decided to turn around for no real reason, or flat out missed. Those aren't size issues, just awareness. He's already got the size to pummel any DB he'd have to block or to stalemate most LBs. He just has to learn how to recognize where to go better, and a little bit of what to do once there. 

If he can do that, then yes he should remaing a TE hybrid. But if that doesn't come a long way by conference schedule time next year, he has to go back to full time WR because even having him try to block was a major liablitity this year.

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 11:58 AM ^

  • Stribling
  • Lewis
  • Hollowell
  • Clark
  • Furman

That does not include presumed starters (Countess, Taylor, Wilson) or Peppers.  It also doesn't include classmates who didn't play but may be ahead of him (e.g., Hill).

At this point, if he is a starter in 2014, it would be an upset.  His recruiting profile indicates the talent to make a leap bigger than his peers, but it's far from a lock.

llandson

December 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^

1. Any chance Countess or another CB moves to S? Especially if Peppers comes, I see us with a slew of decent, experienced CBs and a bunch of unknowns at S. There were many things about The Game that made me ill, but seeing Furman at S was definitely one of them. 

2. Any word on which 2013 redshirts showed the most promise in practice? The young players will need to improve in a hurry if we are going to compete for Big Ten Championship next year. I didn't see many flashes from young players in 2013, mostly just mediocrity. Was hoping for someone to emerge as a playmaker, a la Jake Ryan in his RS FR season. 

Space Coyote

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^

If it's a depth player, it's likely one of the younger guys that probably won't see the field at that position yet. If they are comfortable with what they have at CB as far as Stribling, Taylor, Lewis, Hollowell, etc, then I could see them moving Countess back (potentially Taylor, but I think Countess fits better as a safety) and use him similar to how Michigan used Marlin Jackson.

Countess isn't as big, so that may cause some issues matching up with TEs, but it does give some very nice versatility with the types of coverages you can run on the back end.

FWIW, I think Thomas is still a year away from being a really viable safety. He had a lot to work on, especially just the feel for the position. I really like Hill's upside as well, but those guys may take another year, so a move to safety by someone like Countess may be a one-year thing, similar to Jackson.

aplatypus

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^

Do you think the overall secondary would be better with Countess and Wilson as safeties and 2 of Taylor/Stribling/Lewis starting at corner? Given what Stribling and Lewis showed this year it could work out well that way; I think they're both better in coverage than Taylor already they just need to bulk up more... and undo whatever bad luck curses they've both managed to get.

Space Coyote

December 3rd, 2013 at 3:05 PM ^

If someone like Countess moves, it's simply to get the best four on the field. I think there is much more depth at CB, and that could be a way to get someone who is versatile enough (like Jackson) time at safety for one year while the depth at that position improved. So my feeling is that if Countess is the 2nd best safety and there is a decent drop off behind him, then that creates a better and more versatile unit. But it's hard to say what kind of drop off there really is without being in practice.

aplatypus

December 3rd, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^

I get that, and it's the right thing to do; I was more actually trying to ask what your personal opinion on the best 4 in this situation would be, which you more or less answered anyway. 

I'm of the opinion that Countess would be enough of an improvement over Furman or Clark at this point to make it worth it. If Clark or Furman improves a ton in the offseason maybe not, but right now I think going Taylor, Wilson, Countess, Stribling/Lewis gives you the best overall 4. 

Plus, it puts your talent at the safety, which while maybe allowing Strib/Lewis to get beat a little more, should help with preventing big plays. Whereas I think Furman in there at safety would just give up huge plays over the middle all day. 

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^

Desire is another.  I think Countess will be playing for draft position and his NFL future is probably stricktly at CB.  He may not want to move for that reason. 

Same goes for Taylor, I suppose, but he's got less leverage because he could reasonably be benched if he doesn't, while Countess knows that won't happen to him.

I think Taylor to safety is a real possibility, but they'll give Clark, Furman, and Hill first crack.

Peppers is another option - hate to put a freshman there, but he's played it as much as Thomas has and the CB depth we have may make it the best move for the team.  Athleticism like his can make up for some mistakes.

I think the coaches would like to keep using Countess as a flex player between nickel and CB.

Space Coyote

December 3rd, 2013 at 3:08 PM ^

It helped Jackson, because then he could play both at the next level. Jackson started at CB in the NFL, and eventually became a safety later in his career. The NFL loves players with versatility.

I do think the coaches prefer Countess at CB, because he is their best cover guy, but he may also be one of the best safeties as well. I think it's probably something they'll weight (as far as moving a CB and if that CB is Countess) and go from there. My guess is it doesn't happen, as I'm not sure Countess physically fits the bill (nor Taylor), but I bet they are trying both behind closed doors come spring.

UMaD

December 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 PM ^

The coaches may try to sell him on that, but I guess I'm saying Countess may not buy it.

The willingness of the player to do something the coaches want is underrated, IMO.  Plays a big role in red-shirt decision and position changes too.  Cato June is one notorious example of a player who didn't want to do what the coaches asked him, even though he ended up playing the position in the NFL.

For all we know, the coaches already asked Countess and Taylor, but Avery had to do it instead.