Mike Lantry, 1972
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Here is an AWESOME article on THJ titled: Father hasn't always known best
"Absent of his father's criticism Tim Jr. began to see how he was leading his team and how heavily Palmetto coach Chris Brown relied on him. Brown had seen Tim Jr.'s maturity from day one.
Before, with the steep criticism, he thought he couldn't do anything well. But eventually, Tim Jr. began to see how his growth in the game was a process. How he had taken baby steps in every aspect of his game and how that had allowed him to take larger steps as a whole.
"He needed to fail and succeed on his own, without that added pressure, to reach his own potential," Brown said.
Brown saw the change in the Tim Jr. after the Coral Reef game. He saw a player who was more at ease, a player willing to take chances on the floor. In Brown's mind, it was Tim Jr.'s mindset that had always separated him from his peers. Between his junior and senior seasons, his body filled out and his game finally came together."
On July 14th Joe and I sat down with Michigan Basketball’s Stu Douglass and discussed a variety of topics with the senior guard. What follows is the first in a three-part series centering on Douglass. This first segment will focus on Stu’s background, in the second edition Joe will explain the part Stu played in bridging the gap for Michigan Basketball, in the third segment Stu will provide some insight on his teammates and coaches.
On his legacy and on Michigan as a team:
Even as he enters his senior season, Douglass continues to work on his game. The 6’4’’ point/shooting guard with the flawless release has yet to have a breakout season from 3-point range.
When asked about the notable difference between his solid results when shooting in rhythm v. struggling when standing on an island, wide-open, Stu seemed a little surprised, and a little relieved.
“That’s right on, not many people observe that and that’s what I’ve been telling a lot of people,” Douglass noted.
“It’s always perplexed me, it’s tough because with Darius coming off the ball screen a lot of my job was to be in the corner and be ready to shoot. It’s tough for me to kind of sit there and create a shot, create energy out of just sitting there. I was a Reggie Miller fan; he was my favorite player growing up. So I worked on all the time throwing the ball out and faking a cut like somebody was guarding me. Even when I was in second and third grade I’ve always been shooting off the move, that’s all I did in high school, coming off screens. It’s more of a mental thing; thinking about it is the worst thing.”
Douglass’s comments on the players and coaches in part 3 are all interesting. Here’s a snippet on two of the incoming freshmen:
When asked what kind of legacy he wanted to leave behind, Douglass said, “When it comes down to it remember that me and Zack did everything we could in our power to help this program. We’re not the most skilled or greatest players, not the highest recruited players, but we gave our all for the program.”
Something special is happening at Michigan. This team harbors a chemistry that is rarely seen in team sports these days. “It was funny, Coach K, I saw him in the hallway and he stopped me after the Duke game in the tournament and he said, you guys are probably the closest team I’ve seen,” Douglass explained. “He could just tell that from playing against us. As far as college teams go, I think we’re as close as it gets.”
Coincidentally, mgoblue.com’s latest Catching Up With item also features Douglass. Here’s one of the Q&As:
On incoming freshman Trey Burke: Very good, very skilled with the ball, very confident with the ball and that’s something I know I struggled with my freshman year. I don’t see any problem with him or Carlton being confident with the ball in their hand. That will be huge for us especially in the Big Ten with pressure teams like Purdue. Trey is a tremendous shooter, a lot better shooter than I thought. He can play very well.
On Freshman Max Bielfeldt: Max is a brick house; he’s got the biggest legs I’ve ever seen. He’s interesting though. He can shoot and step out and he’s such a good candidate for a ball screen. Coach Bacari [Alexander] does a great job with finishes and working with the big men. Month by month what he did with Jordan [last year] was fantastic. I think what Coach BA does he kind of programs it into them so they don’t have to think about it they just know how to finish. It’s not like shooting a jumper and you’re thinking to much about it. I think he’ll do great work with Max.
On team and personal goals for next season ... "I've been thinking about them. I think when we meet back as a team after summer session we'll have a better idea of what to expect. The team goal is to get to a national championship and win a national championship. I think we can do that. That's the goal, but we'll really sit down and talk about that in the fall. Every year coach talks about setting personal goals. If a player is doing better then the team is doing better most of the time. If the team is doing really well then that player is probably doing really well. It's all about 'team first, team first,' but I definitely have a lot of individual goals. I think every player has to set those for himself. I think I've been too hard on myself, getting down when I haven't reached those goals in the past years, but I'll probably come back in the fall and set my own goals."One basketball side note: A ridiculously early mock draft for the 2013 NBA draft has Tim Hardaway Jr. as the #6 pick.
Per Dylan at UMHoops.com, Jeremy Lamb scored 35 to lead Team USA to an OT victory over Lithuania, who had crushed our boys in exhibition play. THJr's line: "10 points on 3 of 5 (0-1) shooting, two rebounds, an assist, steal and two turnovers in 17 minutes of play"
Also, vid of Timmy's alley-oop dunk.
Woulda been nice to pull in McCallum last year huh?
Bodes well for our future.
Okay, so, somebody is going to broach it eventually. I may as well be the one.
First of all, man does he look like his dad. Second of all, man, does he have the potential to be BETTER. Yes yes... taller. No, that's not what I mean. I mean better. Don't believe me? Lets look at the- CHART?
Well, we have a table, that's almost a chart.
Those numbers represent four years of Tim Hardaway Sr. at UTEP and the season to date for Jr. at Michigan. Lets look at some comparison numbers. First off, minutes.
Right now, Tim Jr. is averaging 29.9 minutes per game, trending upward. Figure he ends up at about 30 even or slightly over. This falls in line with his father's Jr year, most closely, where he averaged 32 minutes. As such, I think it's prudent to use that as a baseline for comparing performance in a season.
You can easily see that as Sr.'s minutes and usage rose, Freshman to Jr season, his shooting percentage fell, hitting its lowest point in his Jr. year. This coincided with a rise in his overal points and PPG as he attempted many more shots per game.
Tim Jr. is shooting at an overall lower percentage than his father ever did, but is averaging more than a full PPG higher than his father did during his most similar usage year. This is because Jr. as a freshman, is shooting almost a full percentage point higher than his father ever did on threes, and is attempting many more of them. As of right now, if we see a similar leap in shooting ability aas his career progresses, and he ends up with a similar shooting percentage as a senior (not a given, due to his height, but possible), Jr. could easily average over 20 PPG.
Dishing it out, Jr. understandably lags compared to his Father's performance in a similar minutes year. This is mostly due to his height (your tall guys aren't usually your ball handlers), and the fact that D-Mo is the floor captain. However, he is very, very close to his Father's freshman numbers, and even though his minutes are starter minutes, we should see his Assist ratio increase as he gains expeience. Relatedly, in TO ratio, Hardaway has his similar minutes father beaten by one per game, but again, as he dishes it more, he'll turn it over more.
Rebounding, I think, is no contest, Jr is going to have his father beat. As a Freshman, he's basically hit his father's Sr. mark in less minutes, and has eclipsed his father's similar minutes Jr. mark by 1 per game. Also on the defensive game, steals are a push right now. He's well below his Father's similar minutes numbers, but has the freshman numbers beat, and should see them increase as he develops. His father might have the slight edge when all is said and done.
So, lets add it up with a- Table? Table.
|Player||Overall Shoting||3 Point||Rebounding||Assists||Turn-Overs||Steals||PPG|
Now, I'm not claiming that Jr. is a better player than his father yet. But I see four plusses for Jr and only three for Sr. Ask Freshman Sr. to play Freshman Jr.'s minutes, and I think the percentages go way down. Give Jr. four years of experience, some bigs to distribute it to inside, and a little more help, and look out.
Now all we need is for Jr. to develop one of these: