somehow we're only 124th
I'm curious to what degree referees take the history of two teams into account in how they call a game. When there is a lot of tension and aggression, and a history of dirty play either between two teams, or from at least one of them, don't the referees pay attention? More specifically, especially given the coach comments out of MSU calling for "60 minutes of unnecessary roughness," I could see next year's game between MSU and Michigan called much more tightly. I'd imagine that behind closed doors, several refs are hearing about their failure to eject Gholston or to keep an eye out for what happened.
I don't know whether Gholston, Worthy, or Rush will be playing for MSU next year. However, if they are still on the team, isn't it possible that the officiating crew will be instructed to keep a close eye on them and not to let the game get out of hand?
If that were the case, I could see an automatic ejection from the game for a punch, or helmet twist, or arm bar, etc., in addition to a 15 yard personal foul penalty and automatic first down. If they lose too many players that way, it is Sparty being Sparty, helping Michigan to win the game and calling Dantonio to task for not better coaching and policing his own team.
I'd like to hear from a ref or two on this.
During the initial review of the Penn State game Brian opined, "The play on which Donovan Warren was shoved into Junior Hemingway needs to be a penalty. As we saw, it's dangerous as hell. Kick catch interference should extend to people you're blocking into the returner."
Upon further review it was an unfortunate play, but neither inherently dangerous nor dirty, as some commented.
The FannMan said, "From where I was sitting (I only saw it live) it looked like a shove in the back that could only result in Hemmingway being hit in the knees."
However, the replay shows that Warren and Hemingway were at least TEN YARDS APART when our gunner (#1 A.J. Wallace) put his hands on Warren. It was neither inevitable nor likely that Warren would hit Hemingway and it strains credulity to believe that was Wallace's intent.
This was simply a gunner trying to get someone out of his way. Again, an unfortunate result, but hard to label it penalty-worthy.
Let's anti-up people. I can't wait to hear the PSU cry baby faithful telling us again how the ref's screwed them at the big house.
So if anyone is watching the ND MSU game I could use some clarification.
For those that didn't watch, here is the play. A pass is lofted to the corner of the endzone. Receiver goes up and makes the catch, with what looks like firm possession. The defender still has his hand on the ball, but the receiver looks like he has definite hold on the ball.
So they come down, receiver's foot hits the ground in bounds. This is where my question comes in, is it instantly a touchdown at this point or does the receiver have to hold on to the ball as he goes down too?
Anyway, the play ends with both going down and the ball came out after he fell. Called no catch, reviewed and called no catch. Can't figure it out.
EDIT: oops, this was already commented on in an earlier post, but I didn't see anyone address the rule, so I guess I will leave my post up
Developing a "refgate" is ND's way of illegitimating Michigan's win, which is intended to soften another uncle Charlie loss to Big Blue.
To the ND alumni, however, a loss to Michigan is a loss to Michigan, especially knowing that they blew their chance in their second to last possession when they had the lead with the opportunity to run out the clock.
[Edit: Perhaps uncle Charlie is ND's version of John Cooper. I love the smell of a 10 year winning streak in the morning.]