...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
We have spent a lot of time on this site going into the motives of the Freep writers in the NCAA investigation. (I hear that Rosenberg has so many “ulterior” motives that he hired an “ulterior” decorator for his house).
Yet, I suspect that the NCAA does not care much about their motives, only the facts: eg what the players said and why they said it. Unfortunately, I can’t find much on the site about the players who made the accusations. Sure, they are supposedly anonymous. Yet, that poses a problem, since the reliability or bias of the accusers supposedly is a major factor in an NCAA verdict, as it is in a real legal proceeding. I do not really know how these hearings work—and maybe I am wrong---but I presume that UM should go into the August hearing with knowledge of any possible or suspected accusers whose testimony could be biased in any way.
So, let me then dare to ask, who do you think are the players who made accusations vs. UM/RR to the Freep. Do you think they have attitudes that bias their testimony or not?
A WORD OF CAUTION:
I readily admit that I don’t have a lot of information. I am asking for you to help me fill out the picture. Then UM can decide what’s relevant and what’s not.
I hesitated even to post the information I do have, for fear of stirring up a hornets’ nest of misinterpretations or accusations of a conspiracy theory. Well, let the chips fall where they may. I am willing to take that chance and face the consequences, since I figure that UM should have all the information it can get.
That said, I can only think of one player who spoke out publicly and now, two other, possible or probable accusers.
1. Tony Clemons: accusations vs UM/RR made public. Clemons reportedly left upset that RR was stockpiling receivers at a record rate and that he was not being used much at all (12 catches for the season during insignificant parts of the game). He was the major recruiting tie for his cousin, OSU QB Terrelle Pryor, with whom he is reported to talk often (link below).*
2. Justin Boren: left UM for OSU to play with brother there, left with bitter feelings and accusations of a poor “family atmosphere)
3. Morgan Trent: Recently made public remarks accusing RR of practice violations. Morgan lives in Ohio, is paid indirectly by the Ohio fans who watch the Bengals, and—possibly more importantly-- is paid directly by Mike Brown, the owner, who spent much of his childhood living in Columbus Ohio (ages 6-11 at least). As young Mike was growing up, his father, Paul Brown, was the Ohio State University head coach and won their first NC..**
AGAIN, I SHARE THIS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY, NOT TO REACH OR SUGGEST CONCLUSIONS. THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY.
I do not know whether the accusers listed above are biased in any way. These are just the facts I found, which I judged to be interesting, If I had found other B10 schools or competitors mentioned, I would have listed them, but I did not.
In any case, you should not see these facts and jump to conclusions about the OSU ties as evidence of a possible, organized conspiracy. Such ties to the accusers are sometimes quite indirect…I do not even know for sure that the latter two players were among the accusers. Also, I have no basis for assuming that these accusations are not independent or that anybody actually planned anything. (It's not like the got together wearing ski masks and went to the FREEP for a hit job en masse.LOL)
The only question in my mind is: what attitudes, motivations or other factors may influence these or other players’ accusations? I think that is the question a lawyer would ask.
Some posters here may also want to add that Tressel and, supposedly, Herbstreit, spoke out in support of UM re: the accusations. Well, we all know how credible they are. (ugh…”I voted Miami #1” and “I know nothing about UM being searched prior to the OSU game” etc (tressel) and “Les Miles and John Tenuta will be the next UM coaches” (Herbstreit)). But neither the support of Tressel or Herbstreit is really pertinent here, their motives are indeterminate and irrelevant.
What matters are the facts; and I reserve judgment about the significance of the facts above pending knowledge of the other players involved. But I do hope you will feel free to add more names and information, even debunk my facts if you find them to be wrong. In fact, go ahead and condemn me if you want for even raising this topic.
Then, maybe we –and more importantly, UM--can, in a level headed way, judge whether the testimony on which the Freep and NCAA accusations are based could be biased in any way.
*to be fair, Breaston is also a cousin, but I have not seen any reports that they talk at all, much less talk often
**although he was too smart to go there, apparently, and went to Dartmouth.