"In response to CBSSports.com's request for Michigan's concussion management protocol, the athletic department sent the NCAA's 11-page document for treating head injuries."
EDIT: I see that the Athletic Department has put out a note to counter my argument below. Rather than squelch the issue it has fanned the flames. Hoke needs to go.
I have to credit Drew Hallet's article for the exact Hoke quote after 2013 Michigan - O$U wherein Hoke said re: Devin's injury:
"You know, [Gardner is] beat up like everybody is, and that's when he was limping a little bit, and I said I don't want to see you limp. I said every guy out here could limp. We've got to go play, and he did that. I'm proud of him." [Note: bold emphasis Hallet's]
The point of the this post:
1. Yesterday's treatment of re: Shane's injury and Hoke pleading the 5th is inexcusable
2. Keeping an injured Funchess in the game against opponents was very concerning to folks
3. Knowing what we know re Devin's health post-2013 O$U was there a desire to play Devin thinking that "eh, maybe he can play..."
The injury pattern is becoming very concerning and yesterday was the final piece of the puzzle as to questionale decisions to play guys hurt and this decision making needs to stop.
Hoke needs to go.
Brandon has ZERO deniability given the well publicized reports that he is very active in film sessions, meetings, etc.
Clean house and protect our men.
What are the steps for Cockran to be suspended by the B1G?
I remember in the RR era the Purdue coach introducing his player who he beleived was suspended because of RR sending in video.
Is that what needs to happen? Does UofM need to send in the video to get the suspension?
Does the B1G review automatically?
To me it looked like a pretty obvious head shot / leading with your helmet / targeting.
Not sure what the steps are - anyone who can help. THANKS!
I am working on some diary entries breaking down potential HC candidates outside of the same tired group; mostly to keep my sanity and to feel proud that I can do more homework on hiring our HC than our AD.
In the spirit of that I need your help. As I listen to the yells for the Shaw, Gundy, Sumlin types can you please list for me which head coaches in the past 15+ years have jumped from 1 TOP TIER Big 5 conference team to another.
Two coaches who have jumped sideways or slightly upward from ONE very successful "top 4 in the conference" team to a similar program are Saban and Urban but both had layovers in between their switches so was not a "direct steal" as people are proposing UM should do.
- Saban jumped from LSU to Bama ** (Miami in the NFL in the middle)
- Urban jumped from Florida to OSU** but it required a 1 year stay in the media so it was not like OSU "hired him away" from Florida as we are opining we can so easily do from A&M, Stanford, OK State.
EDIT2 - commentator mentioned Bert Bielema which would be a good example of a direct hire from Wiscy to Arkansas. Actually it is a kind of bad statement for the Big 10 since he went from a top 4 team in the Big 10 to a non top 4 team in the SEC. But it's as close of a "switch" as I can find.
Are there any transitions like that we can think of? And I dont consider Sark from Washington to USC to be in that league. UW is not currently similar to A&M or Stanford or OK State. All 3 of these teams have been top 10ish the past 3-4 years on and off. Washington is more akin to Iowa/Illinois of the Pac 12 in its current state - the 5th to 8th best team in its conference in any 1 year. Same for Mack Brown from NC (ho hum ACC team) to Texas. Not good comparables.
Very good programs like PSU, Texas, USC have taken coaches from Vandy, Louisville, Washington in the past year. Those are the type of schools where top tier programs do pull coaches from 97% of the time. That is very different than taking guys away from A&M, OK State, and Stanford - all 3 of which have fielded multiple top 10ish teams the past 4 years. Their coaches are in sweet spots and in rinse and reload situations annually now without the headache that comes from rebuilding in a crap conference. We might as well go after Bob Stoops if people think pulling Gundy, Shaw, Sumlin is a high probability - all have a litany of reasons to stay which I won't extend this post by explaining.
Summary - I cannot think of any major program (i.e. Texas, USC, Georgia, OSU, Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame, FSU, Oklahoma, etc) who has pulled a very successful top 10-12ish team's coach out of their program and into theirs. Which is what many here are proposing we can do. Were there a bunch from 7-10-15 years ago that I have missed?
After a game where just so incredibly many things went wrong, it is a bit of a tall order to sit down and write something coherent about the student experience. The student experience, after all, isn’t so fundamentally different than the experience of most of the rest of the stadium, except perhaps that the viewing angle is increased ever so slightly. Oh and louder, definitely louder. The articles and write-ups note the students growing increasingly upset and starting to chant “Fire Brandon” (not “Brady” as some have noted; at least not from the student section) in the third quarter. This misses something markedly different from this game. In the previous games the students, like the rest of the fans, held their fire until some opportune moment. Last week it was attendance numbers that no one believed. The first notable “boos” came after timeout and clock mismanagement. This week, the students didn’t waste any time. Before the game even started, before anything had actually gone wrong, before we ran out of tires to throw on what little remains of the dumpster/tire hybrid fire, the students started chanting to fire Brandon. It reminds me of the scene from “Network”:
The students, the current
20,000 12,000 member block, and future 89,901 75,000 member block of the stadium are as mad as hell and they’re not going to take this anymore. With the “Fire Brandon” chants audible over TV, never mind to everyone in attendance at the game, and, by the third quarter, continuing every time the band stopped playing, it seemed hard to see how this once proud, once great, and once principled program could sink any deeper. But then it did.
For the last two weeks the student section has had the perspective to see the more frightening aspects of the game. Last week, many in my row were convinced we had just watched Utah’s starting quarterback die, or at least become paralyzed, about 20 yards in front of us. It was so shocking that the students immediately stopped celebrating the stop and became deathly silent, at least those close enough to see clearly what had happened. This week we again were witness to one of the more frightening, more horrifying, moments of the game. The students could see immediately after the leg injury that Shane was in no position to continue. We watched, aghast, as he nevertheless did. Then came the late hit and we watched Shane stumble into a lineman, and we watched in horror as a clearly concussed Morris remained on the field. We yelled; we booed; we screamed for him to come out, trying desperately to get someone to hear us and make the only sensible decision. It didn’t work. To leave Shane in like that was reprehensible, irresponsible, and showed such wanton disregard for player safety that it left many of the students angry, confused, and sickened. Whether or not Hoke was being honest when he said that he did not know that Shane looked wobbly is entirely irrelevant. As the head coach, it is his responsibility to know. If he doesn’t or if he can’t, it’s time to move on. Michigan has always been about the players, developing them into young men of class and character, and, if we’re lucky, perhaps some noteworthy football talent as well. What happened today was inexcusable for any team, let alone one that prides itself on what it does for the players.
The game then wound down. The anger and frustration of the last 10 minutes still palpable, but no longer being viscerally screamed at anyone on the field who might hear. Gardner’s solid playing in his time in the game, while helping reduce the ire at the outcome, did nothing to change the conviction that had been burned into those watching. To make matters worse, toward the end of the game two things happened on the sidelines near the student section:
- A dramatic increase in police and event staff presence.
- A rope being held along the sideline and end zone, presumably to prevent a field rush (??).
Did either of these things directly impact my, or really any other students’ lives? Not really. Nevertheless, the symbolism remains. One needs look little further than this to get a good grasp on why the students are so upset with the athletic department. Is the department so distrustful of the students that they want to keep them in line by show of force? Are they so delusional to think that the students would rush the field after a loss? After even a win over Minnesota? over Utah? over literally any home game this season? They’ve taken our water bottles so that they can sell water for $5; they’ve prohibited numerous innocuous items from entering the stadium; three separate event staff members tried to tell me I wouldn’t be allowed to bring a cowbell into the stadium; you can’t bring bags; you can’t bring food. And yet after all of this, they expect us to keep paying such exorbitant prices for tickets? To keep showing up? Don’t get me wrong, I love Michigan Football, I love the Michigan Stadium experience; it’s just that, under Dave Brandon I have yet to really experience either at the Big House.
I read on one of the comment threads that one of the Michigan radio commentators -- Brandstatter if memory serves -- had seen Nussmeier trying to get Morris out of the game after he suffered the shot to the head.
Can anyone confirm or deny that? Or better yet, post the audio? I suspect that an awful lot will hinge on the question of what Hoke knew and when he knew it. If it turns out that Nuss wanted Morris out and Hoke overruled him, that would make a huge difference.
I hadn't seen anything up until now. My view was obscured from my seats... here it is in case
someone else wanted to see the feed as well.
Jump to 2:13...