here's one vote for "John Beilein's head in a Futurama jar"
Brother Rice Warriors vs. Muskegon Big Reds. 8:00.
Title speaks for itself. Cool T, no reps viz. the music. I hope linking to that site is kosher.
In case you haven't recorded these and/or find yourself horribly deprived of football, this may help.
Copied and pasted from a Detroit News article:
"Ann Arbor -- The Big Ten Network will celebrate all things Maize and Blue on Monday in the Michigan edition of the network's "School Days." Among the classic games featured are Michigan's overtime win over Alabama in the 2000 Orange Bowl, 2009's last-second victory over Notre Dame engineered by Tate Forcier, and the network debut of the 1995 Michigan-Ohio State game, when running back Tim Biakabutuka ran for 313 yards to lead the Wolverines past the undefeated Buckeyes. The network also will air one-hour specials on Charles Woodson, Drew Henson and Dr. Billy Taylor."
MOD EDIT - trying to help the OP with formatting. Hopefully, I captured how they envisioned this. I know it is difficult on the iPhone. - LSA
Many of us have heard about how "Michigan is wasting all that 4/5 star" talent, especially those of us who live in Michigan and have very haughty neighbors all the sudden. I bought in this myself as the program has obviously underachieved substantially of late. We all know the 2010 class was a disaster but obvioulsly the "transition" year also created issues - at least on the offensive side of the ball.
I was curious how the data lined up with the meme - where were all these 4/5 stars I keep hearing about? So I put together a chart of 4 years worth of recruits as I haven't seen it before in that format. This group of players (past and present) are the the heart of the 2014 team; this would be the 2nd thru 5th year players. I purposely excluded the 2014 class because I don't believe teams that are of championship contention caliber regularly throw out a bunch of true freshman as significant contributors (of course there are the Bosa's of the world as exception but not rule). Most are 2nd/3rd string backups or redshirting.
I think the results might change the narrative a bit - with the caveat that again, a lot of talent via "recruiting services" either was not developed, went to waste, or never panned out. In total there were 99 recruits in these 4 classes and unlike the narrative we hear - the majority were actually 3 stars (56%). At the very top end and bottom end we have 3 five stars and 3 two stars, leaving 38% to the 4 stars. Please note I used Rivals, not a composite - hence a guy like D. Smith is a 3 star not a 4.
Some quick thoughts:
- All other things equal, if you believe starz matter, one should be more bullish on the future as the 2010 class was very heavy in 3 stars, and the 2011 class was pretty evenly split, whereas things improve a lot in 2012-2013.
- Some of our best players of course are 3 stars - see Ryan and Funchess and potentially Henry/Wormley/Smith?.
- We're young esp on offense (duh).
- If this team had just 4 more offensive contributors out of the 2010+2011 classes (2 OL, 2 WR) we'd have zero significant "weaknesses" on paper. Just 4 out of what...20-25 kids. SMH.
- This team has to show significant improvement between September and November 2014 like a Beilein team does between December and February - the young talent per starz via the 2012s and 2013s is peppered in the 2 deep. (pun intended)
- This is not a team loaded (or "wasting) 5 stars - we have 4 total... a whopping 1 more than our friends to the west who tell us they do it all with 2/3 stars. And none are 2010/2011s.
- As for 4 stars, 2010 was a washout aside from Devin, and half of the 2011s are starters (ok %). Most of the 4 stars are again 2nd/3rd year players not 4th/5th.
I have other thoughts but this is already TL;DR so for your inspection here is the 2014 football team expressed in starz. (some of the formatting I used in Excel did not carry over in the cut and paste so a bit more difficult to read on Mgo)
|5 STARS (3)||3 STARS (55)|
|2012||Kyle Kalis||2010||Jibreel Black|
|2012||Ondre Pipkins||2010||Josh Furman|
|2013||Derrick Green||2010||Carvin Johnson|
|4 STARS (38)||2010||Christian Pace|
|2010||Cullen Christian||2010||Jerald Robinson|
|2010||Devin Gardner||2010||Davion Rogers|
|2010||Richard Ash||2010||Terry Talbott|
|2010||Demar Dorsey||2010||Austin White|
|2010||Marvin Robinson||2010||Drew Dileo|
|2010||Ken Wilkins||2010||Conelius Jones|
|2011||Justice Hayes||2010||Jordan Paskorz|
|2011||Chris Barnett||2010||Jake Ryan|
|2011||Brennen Beyer||2010||Courtney Avery|
|2011||Chris Bryant||2010||Will Hagerup|
|2011||Blake Countess||2010||Stephen Hopkins|
|2011||Raymon Taylor||2010||Jeremy Jackson|
|2012||Erik Magnuson||2010||Antonio Kinard|
|2012||Blake Bars||2010||Terrance Talbott|
|2012||Joe Bolden||2010||DJ Williamson|
|2012||Royce Jenkins-Stone||2011||Delonte Hollowell|
|2012||Dennis Nortfleet||2011||Kellen Jones|
|2012||Terry Richardson||2011||Antonio Poole|
|2012||James Ross||2011||Frank Clark|
|2012||Tom Strobel||2011||Thomas Rawls|
|2012||Jarrod Wilson||2011||Chris Rock|
|2013||Patrick Kugler||2011||Russell Bellomy|
|2013||Shane Morris||2011||Greg Brown|
|2013||Henry Poggi||2011||Tamani Carter|
|2013||Kyle Bosch||2011||Keith Heitzman|
|2013||Jake Butt||2011||Jack Miller|
|2013||Chris Fox||2011||Desmond Morgan|
|2013||Jourdan Lewis||2011||Tony Posada|
|2013||Mike McCray||2012||Ben Braden|
|2013||Dymonte Thomas||2012||Jeremy Clark|
|2013||Taco Charlton||2012||Devin Funchess|
|2013||David Dawson||2012||Matthew Godin|
|2013||Ross Douglas||2012||Mario Ojemudia|
|2013||Ben Gedeon||2012||Kaleb Ringer|
|2013||Delano Hill||2012||AJ Williams|
|2013||Wyatt Shallman||2012||Chris Wormley|
|2013||Logan Tuley-Tillman||2012||Jehu Chesson|
|2013||Maurice Hurst Jr|
|2 STARS (3)|
I'm relatively new to the boards and have only recently gotten sucked into the world of college football recruiting. As a result, I have some very simple questions that I'm helping the board can help me out with. I've tried searching on the internet, but thus far I haven't found a page that answers my questions. I'm hoping the folks here could either:
1) Post links that answer my questions; or
2) Kindly answer my questions directly here.
I also don't think my quesitons necessarily pertain to over-signing, as my questions are assuming that the school is ethical and is trying to play by the normal rules. I'm asking what most schools should/could/actually do under the following circumstances:
For obvious reasons, programs map out what their needs & goals are for a particular recruiting class. And for obvious reasons teams send out more offers than actual slots available. Some schools strategize and perhaps pursue a ton of kids but will have less time to spend on each one. Other schools cast their nets not as wide but try to shower a smaller number with more attention and TLC. But ultimately, schools are sending out more offers than they have slots on the team.
1) What happens when those slots get occupied (at least preliminarily) by verbal committments, particularly at a faster or greater matriculation rate than anticipated?
Example: Team X wants to take 2-3 offensive linemen in a class. They give offers to 25, sensibly thinking that they won't get them all. But what happens if in a matter of a week or two, some number much higher than 2-3 decide to committ? I could see one extra OL sliding in there no big deal. But if you're trying to be as efficient as possible, especially with a small recruiting class, you don't want to have 4 or 5 OLs on board when you really wanted 2-3. Does this ever happen? Or are the teams much more on top of the current state of affairs? Do the kids self police and eyeball each other such that highly ranked guys won't enter a school's recruiting class if it's perceived that the class will be too stacked at that position in that class? Or is it first come first served? Schools give 25 offers, but tell each kid 'we are only taking 2-3 so wait at your own risk'? Can a school revoke the offers once a class gets it's desired quota filled for that position?
Which brings me to.....
2) What happens if a somewhat less desireable target to fill a needed position verbally committs when there is a more highly desired target that is still uncommitted for that same position?
Example: The class only has room for 3 O-Linemen. Five star OT Bob is given an offer but keeps it cool and doesn't commit right away becasue a ton of other options. Three star OT Joe is given an offer one month later and takes about a nanosecond to commit because he's just happy to be there. Is Bob out of luck? Is the team obligated to take Joe, and if they want Bob do they need to "find room" by not taking a WR or CB in that same class? And even so, once the class fills up towards the end of the year, even if a team WANTED to just forego getting a WR or CB that year and take Bob, if things get jam packed, the team would basically have to turn away Bob in favor of Joe at that point, no? Or do we now get into the murky world of over-signing & having coaches tell a kid "look, you can sign your LOI and block Bob from coming here, but if you do, you won't see a minute of playing time so you may as well look for another home"? Or do certain schools just make damned sure that if they only have one slot for a certain position type, that every single offer they send out, they are OK and at peace with the fact that any given kid could accept the offer, shut down the rest of the position group from that class, even if the rest of the position group has more highly coveted players?
Thank you in advance.
Here it is!
Good for Countess. I remember the day he committed. It was around the time I really started getting into the recruiting side of things.
Freshmen numbers for those who will be on campus now-
- #5 Jabrill Peppers
- #19 Jared Wangler
- #54 Brady Pallante
- #58 Chase Winovich
- #59 Noah Furbush
- #76 Juwann Bushell-Beatty
- #85 Maurice Ways
- #93 Lawrence Marshall
- #94 Ian Bunting
- incoming tranfer Ty Isaac will wear #32. The number he wore in HS.