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Here's a Rivals update on Steven Threet:
These were my favorite parts:
* "I can throw the ball and do a lot of the things mentally, like reading the defense really well and get the offense in the right play if protection needs to be changed."
* Threet stayed on to direct the Wolverines' offense in 2008, but it soon became obvious he was a 6-foot-5, 228-pound square peg trying to fit in a round hole. [Editor's note: It didn't seem to me that he was any sort of peg.]
In a related article (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=1061286):
* Threet is a hard worker with a high football IQ. He is good with his feet and has an underrated arm. And of all the quarterbacks, Threet's skills may be best-suited for what will be an offense that has been tweaked by Mazzone.
* ASU wants to run a one-back, multiple-receiver set that will feature the quarterback taking abbreviated drops and delivering the ball in a short passing game. The pass will be emphasized over the run. "We think thick the quick passes and screens can act like a running game for us," Mazzone says. "And we expect our quarterback to hit a very percentage of his passes."
Good luck with that, Homes.
Tom Dienhart is a standard, unimaginative sports columnist who seems inclined to take most information he gets at face value. No surprise there. But, I am curious about Threet's ceiling as a QB. That position is famous for its late bloomers, so I suppose, with more reps, he could become (say) John Navarre. Discuss.
How Tate Stacks Up Against M QBs of 2005-2008Update 10/22: Lots of changes. Reorganized. New Sheridan charting added. New, better metric proposed. Now fat-free!
Note: links all open in a separate window/tab, in case you were afraid of having to find your place again.
[Editor's note: bumped to front page for holy crap reasons.]
This is a collection of data inspired by Coach Schiano's brilliant new visualization of the Henne/HenneMallett/ThreetSheridammit/UseTheForcier Chart.
First, kudos, thanks, plusses, and a dozen sacrificed bulls go out to Coach Schiano. This is the most excited I've been about some new type of Michigan coverage since I read my first UFR.
I hope he doesn't mind if I go back and try to play around with the same stuff.
I went and made my own Excel spreadsheet (available here) to see if I could visualize some of the things we've been talking about here.
I replicated Coach Schiano's results (tossing out the screen metric).
One thing that stuck out right away, I think, is that the introduction of the "Marginal" metric (first discussed after FOOTBALL ARMAGEDDON in 2006 but not implemented until mid-2008) kind of hurts the QBs functioning under it. Erstwhile "catchables" for Henne/Mallett were discounted for late '08 through '09 QBs. In other words, performances before last year's Penn State game, especially in accuracy, might be kind of overrated.
Also, there were a number of games not charted during this period. These include Delaware State '09 (and high school stats, for much the same reason); Ball State '06 (Comcast was blamed); all bowl games;* and last year's Ohio State game, which was only UFR'ed under a shadow Bolshevik government, and thus cannot be trusted.
* (a UFR for the 2005 Alamo Bowl was provided, but since the entirety of that UFR was, literally, "Screw 2005!", I was unable to get any passing info from it)
Part I: Where We Do It By Downfield Success RatingThe metric we've been using, gleaned from UFRs, is Downfield Success Rating. This divides the Dead-on, Catchable, and Marginal balls against all downfield (read: "Pressure excluced") attempts.
BEST 5 GAMES BY A QB
Sheridan's Minnesota miracle looks even more miraculous now! Note, however, there were only 2 Dead-On throws, and 2 bad reads. Also, just one throwaway, no batted balls, and no pressure. That's the O-line and running game's fault.
In other coaching-related-results here, Henne's 2005 Ohio State game was scrumtrulescent by any metric, except apparently not good enough for DeBord to use the passing game to put the game out of reach. Not that I'm bitter...
WORST 5 GAMES
Sheridan's putrid, I-Survived-That-Game-Patch-Inducing game against Northwestern is, unsurprisingly, at the top. In fact, it may even trump several of my 7th grade sexual experiences in the category of worst-executed-thing-ever-done-by-man.
But I'm getting off topic. Note that Forcier's Iowa game actually made this hall of shame. So RR's pulling him for that game may be excusable. However, it is still my considered position that even with shoulder/weather/concussion/bad game, had Forcier been given that last drive, he would have pulled himself back to respectability.
Though 2008 dominated the Top 5, if you look at the Top 10 we get Threet v. Miami (NTM), three Malletts (Min, PSU, NW) and Henne's all-things-good-in-the-world-destroying 2007 game against Ohio State. [Much, much more after the jump.]
After the longest wait I have ever experienced between Michigan football games, it's over. Wolverine Nation can breathe a little easier. As they say, the proverbial weight has been lifted. Leaving the stadium, you could feel the tension rise away, as hope set in for the dawn of new era of Michigan Football.
Skeptics believed. The faithful rejoiced. In the midst of the crapstorm that has been circling around the program since the RichRod hire, the Michigan Wolverines managed to prevail. And in doing so, they managed to prove something they have been waiting over a year to prove. Michigan Football will be back, and they will be hungry.
I just recently graduated from U of M and was lucky enough to get a job in Ann Arbor, and able to go to the game to see the team in person today. It was actually kind of funny looking at my facebook status updated from all my friends at Michigan, and in one moment, people were finally excited again. The long winter was over.
The defense looked solid. They were able to tackle (finally) and managed to stop, for the most part, those long plays that plagued us all last year. Upon GERG's hire, he stressed the importance of fundamentals to his game. Tackling. Angles of pursuit. Stevie Brown in a spot that fits him.
Tate looked good. He looked like he had a handle on the offense. He worked through his progressions pretty well, and as another poster said, he took control (I don't remember which post in was in, sorry). He did the things that we had wished Threet or Sheridan could have done in even the faintest glimmer of hope last season. It's amazing what a quarterback suited for the system can do for you. He has a lot of room to grow, and in my opinion, a hell of a lot of upside, but simply having someone meant for the system makes such a big difference. Denard was fast. REALLY fast.
We didn't fumble punts. Enough said.
I say this all with cautious optimism, all be it slightly less than 24 hours ago. I think the most important thing we can take away from today is that we do have a lot of growing to do, we're still a young team, and we are going to have the associated growing pains. But today we also learned to appreciate the small things-- tackling, angles, completing passes, holding on to the ball. These are the things that will win championships--take it from Bo--and it looks like we are headed in the right direction. We will see in a week against the Irish.
I keep hearing a lot of things said about our dearly departed QBs of the last couple years, and some of the assumptions don't make sense to me. This is the way I hear the story told, without dates but in chronological order:
1. Threet chooses Georgia Tech and Mallett chooses Michigan
2. Threet chooses to transfer to Michigan
3. Mallett doesn't like Michigan and decides to transfer to Arkansas
4. Threet chooses to transfer away from Michigan
Tell me if this doesn't make more sense. Bear with me as this is intricate:
1. Mallett grew up a Razorback fan but he wouldn't start over Mustain (or he assumed as much), so he goes to the next-best statue-QB school available: Lloyd Carr's Michigan Wolverines
2. Threet grew up a Michigan fan, but knowing that Mallett would be there, he shied away
3. Mallett doesn't like Michigan and Michigan doesn't like Mallett. Even the football seems to hate Mallett, as it finds ways to slip out of his hands time and time again.
4. Mitch Mustain transfers to USC. Mallet transferring to Arkansas becomes a question of when, not if. Carr knows this.
5. Carr looks furiously for the best available option. He knows Threet would transfer if he knew that Mallett was leaving, so he tells him that. Threet can't tell anyone that he knows Mallett is transferring, though.
6. Michigan has a bad season, Carr is gone, Rodriguez is hired.
7. Threet sees he's not in our long term plans anymore. His transfer is a question of when, not if. The wide open starting job of last season kept him at bay for a year.
8. Rodriguez knows the situation and looks furiously for two QB recruits. He is telling them that Threet is as good as gone. (How do you get two comparably talented QBs to be part of the same class, with last year's starter returning? Perhaps the reason we kept losing commits was because they kept being assured Threet was transferring, but it wasn't happening.)
9. Threet transfers; hello starting freshman QB! (edit:
Notice that we had no more QB decommits as soon as the transfer was made public.)
The big difference in timeline 2 is that everyone's actions are reactions to something external rather than unprovoked. What do you think? Is there evidence that Threet really opted to transfer to a volatile coaching situation, knowing he would sit behind a 5-star QB for four years? That makes no sense to me, especially since he transferred again this offseason because he doesn't want to be a benchwarmer.
With a title that made most of you go "Wait what? Ohhhh... I get it," Steven "Roundtrip ticket" Threet will be likely holding a clipboard in the desert. ESPN reports that former University of Michigan quarterback Threet, not to be confused with current walk-on University of Michigan quarterback Nick Sheridan, will go not to Nebraska... or Oklahoma... or Texas... or USC... but to the Arizona Sun Devils and wait out a mandated one year via NCAA rules. While this transfer makes no sense to many, rumor has it he will earn a 1.0 credit of Independent Study coursework for his paper "Reliving Manifest Destiny Through Football"
This leaves many speculating Threet may again fail in 2010 to get the starting position and instead play backup to this guy:
a walk-on who has spent time on the sidelines learning the offensive set apparently better than a scholarship athlete. Note, however, that the fire indicates he may in fact be fiery and fast...
Read more here or, well, here:
Quarterback Steven Threet, a redshirt freshman who started eight games for Michigan last season, has decided to transfer to Arizona State, a source close to Threet said Monday.
Threet also considered Oregon State but developed a relationship with the Arizona State coaching staff and had an excellent visit over the weekend.
Threet wanted to fit into a pro-style offense after having been previously enrolled at both Georgia Tech and Michigan.
The move remains confusing as John Effing Elway's son left ASU saying there was too much competition at the position, most likely the exact reason he left Michigan when RR's 'chosen one' came to campus. SO basically one can presume Threet is transferring more for this:
I don't know if this was ever gone over and I hate to bring it back to the front page, but I didn't see where Threet was transfering to. Anybody know where he is going?