this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
With all the "Denard sucks, lolz" and "Denard can't play QB" and "That wasn't one of his best games" coming out of the internet, I thought we could take a look at where Denard is for some pretty awesome milestones, NCAA wide, and Michigan wide:
He's already got these records under his belt:
—NCAA (all divisions)
- Only 1500-yard passing/1500-yard rushing season
- Rushing yards by a QB (season)
- Division I FBS 200-yard passing/200-yard rushing regular season games (career and season)
- Rushing yards by a QB (single game and career)
- Total offense (single-season)
- Big Ten Offensive Player of the Week awards (career)
- Silver Football Award Winner
- Total offense (single-game)
- Rushing yards on the road (single game)
- Passing yards (single half)
- 200-yard rushing games (career)
- Notre Dame Stadium longest run from scrimmage
In addition to being Michigan's all time total yardage leader, beating ND, MSU, OSU, and winning a BCS Bowl in 2.5 years as a starter, let's see how he's doing elsewhere:
Single Game Michigan Records:
Total Offense: Denard has the top 8 and 9 of the top 10 games from a total offense perspective. John Navarre's 368 yards against Iowa in 2003 is the only game record that isn't his.
Passing Yards: He sits at #9, #10, and 20.
Passing TDs: Tied for the record (with many others) with 4TD passes in a single game. (ND 2011)
Rushing Yards: Numbers 5 and 7 belong to #16, with the 2010 ND and Purdue games.
Career Michigan Records:
Passing Yards: With 6195 Yards so far, he trails only Henne, Navarre, and Grbac, with Elvis in his sights less than 300 yards away.
Passing TDs: He's #4 again behind the same 3. The 22TDs he needs to pass Grbac here might be harder to do before he graduates.
Rushing Yards: At 4129 Denard trails only Hart, Thomas, Morris, and Wheatley. He needs 912 yards to pass Hart, but as of right now Hart has an extra 439 carries to his record.
Rushing TDs: Again trailing only Wheatley and the A Train he's now tied with Mike Hart with 41. If he can get 15 more he'll pass Thomas and be the highest in the official record books. *
*Willie Heston's 71 TDs from 1901-1904 aren't included in the official database because the pre-1949 stats are incomplete.
Career NCAA Records:
The big one, QB Rushing Yards. Pat White's 4480 is in reach 351 yards away. Denard has 5 more B1G games, and he'll need to average 70.2 per game to have this record by the time the clock hits zeros in Columbus.
Criticize his decision making, throwing off his back foot, etc. but to say he hasn't been awesome to watch the past few years and that he hasn't had a remarkable career... I'd respectfully disagree.
Was curious about NCAA attendance records for all sports so I did a little digging and found this from the NCAA official website-
|Football||Michigan vs Notre Dame||9/10/2011||114,804||Michigan Stadium||Ann Arbor, MI|
|(M) Basketball||Kentucky vs Michigan State||12/13/2003||78,129||Ford Field||Detroit, MI|
|(W) Basketball||UConn vs Oklahoma||3/29/2002||29,619||Alamodome||San Antonio, TX|
|Hockey||Michigan vs Michigan State||12/11/2010||113,411||Michigan Stadium||Ann Arbor, MI|
|Baseball||San Diego State vs Houston||3/11/2004||40,106||PETCO Park||San Diego, CA|
|Softball||Fresno State vs Arizona||3/14/2000||5,724||Bulldog Diamond||Fresno, CA|
|(M) Lacrosse||Syracuse vs Johns Hopkins||5/26/2008||48,970||Gillette Stadium||Foxborough, MA|
|(W) Lacrosse||Maryland vs Northwestern||5/30/2010||9,782||Unitas Stadium||Towson, MD|
|(M) Soccer||St. Louis vs SIU-Edwardsville||10/30/1980||22,512(!)||Busch Stadium||St. Louis, MO|
|(W) Soccer||North Carolina vs Notre Dame||12/5/1999||14,410(!?)||Spartan Stadium||San Jose, CA|
|Field Hockey||Maryland vs North Carolina||11/21/2010||2,381||Byrd Stadium||College Park, MD|
|(W) Volleyball||Stanford vs Texas||12/18/2008||17,430(!?)||CenturyLink Cen.||Omaha, NE|
Underline indicates game at pro/neutral site venue off campus
Italics indicate game was an NCAA Tournament event
Michigan owns two NCAA attendance records that most likely will never be touched by anyone other than Michigan in Football and Hockey. I would like to see more and I believe that they can get more. They can smash some of these records in fact.-
Men's and Women's Basketball- Option 1: Host an outdoor doubleheader of Michigan Basketball at Michigan Stadium. Has to be against a big time opponent or rival like ohio or state. Must have a doubleheader to break the women's record.
Option 2: Have an indoor showdown with both Men's and Women's teams of Michigan and state at Ford Field. Will most likely shatter the records and is a safer bet in terms of weather.
Baseball & Softball- There isn't any way ol' Fish is gonna even sniff that record. Can't have it at The Big House, no way in hell. Huge risks of a home run smashing the luxury box windows. Have a doubleheader of Baseball and Softball at Comerica Park. Softball is a huge stretch and most likely wouldn't happen since the dimensions of fields are way different. Have the game feature the heated Michigan vs state baseball rivalry. state's program is at a high it hasn't seen in years and Coach Bakich will have this Michigan program up and running pretty soon and back to splittin' heads.
Men's and Women's Lacrosse- Four things must happen for these records to even come close to being broken. 1) The weather has to cooperate 2) Michigan must sell tickets to keep count of the attendance. 3) MUST MUST MUST be held after or before the Football Spring Game or there is no chance of this. 4) Big-name schools and rivals must be the opponents. Men's team should play either their Creators Trophy rivals in ohio or penn state. And of course the traditional rival of notre dame who is a powerhouse nationally. The Women's program isn't officially starting varsity competition until the 2013-14 athletic season so it will take awhile for them to get the program off the ground. They are having success as of late at the club level. I would say bring in national powerhouse and dynasty that is well-documented, northwestern.
Men's and Women's Soccer- This one is a no-brainer where to have it (Michigan Stadium). But this one could really tough to break since Soccer is near the bottom of the totem poll here in the US. However, Michigan Soccer has their own student section and is really getting support. The Men's program had a magical run in 2010 to the College Cup but took a step back last year while the Women's program is looking to have a historic season this year with players returning who are currently in the U-20 World Cup in Japan. I would say these games would have to be doubleheader, held before a 3:30 football game. Maybe even have a triple header against state. Men's soccer plays them for the Big Bear Trophy, Women's team just mops the floor with them every year and then at 3:30 you would have the Football game.
Field Hockey- This one is more difficult for me to think about because I'm all that sure about the field requirements for Field Hockey. If it has to be astroturf-like which they have a Ocker Field, than I have no clue what they could do. IF that isn't an issue, probably have it at The Big House and invite every former player and their family and they can and have it against rival ohio. While I'm not sure the requirements, I know that this record is beatable because of the large support this program has in the city, with former players and alumni.
Women's Volleyball- This one, IMO could be the most difficult of all. Crisler isn't big enough at 12,721. I would say make the proposed Basketball games at Ford Field I mentioned above a triple header with state and have a Volleyball game before it.
So the numbers put up today by Illinois and Michigan were unbelievable, but I thought it would be interesting to consider them with a bit of context. So consider this:
Today's combined score of 132 is
- More than the total number of points given up by the 1997 team (114).
- Only 33 points less than the total given up by last year's NC winner Alabama, and that was over 14 games (165).
The 67 points given up the Illini is:
- More than the combined points they have given up in Big 10 play (62) if you exclude OSU.
- Represents the most points scored by UM this season, and makes UM the only team in the country to score 61+ against two FBS teams this season.
The 257 net rushing yards by UM is
- 5 yards less than Illinois gave up the past two weeks combined (to Purdue and Indiana).
- More than doubled the average rushing yards given up by the Illini this season (117.5 yds/gm).
- A little less than half the total rushing yards given up by the Boise St. this year, the #2 rush defense in the country.
The 419 passing yards by UM is
- 2.2 times the number of average passing yards given up the Illini this season (184 yds/gm).
- 259 yds less than the total number of passing yds by Georgia Tech this season.
- This might be a little convoluted, but if 419 yds is considered in terms of miles, the distance between Ann Arbor to Urbana (~347 miles) is less.
The combined 49 2nd-quarter points is
- Equal to or greater than the final scores for 7 games this week featuring at least 1 ranked team.
- More than the combined scores for every Big 10 game this weekend, save for the 56 put up by PSU-NW.
The 561 total yards given up by UM is:
- About 2.5 times more than the average total yardage given up the 1997 team (223 yds/gm).
- But, only .5 yds/play more than the defense usually gives up per game (6.07), and factoring out the OT scoring was just about equal per play for the season.
- UM's 3rd-quarter shutout of Illinois was only the 2nd time during league play the defense had accomplished the feat (the other time was the 1st quarter against MSU).
- Illinois was credited with only one sack on the day, which is below the average for Illinois (1.88/gm) and only raised UM's total for the year to 4. Think about that for a second and then think about 2008.
So yeah, not all great news, but I am still constantly amazed by what this offense is able to do against legitimately good defenses.
[Ed: bump for wow.]
There have been numerous threads on MGoBoard about Denard's assault on the record books. In order to minimize the obligatory complaining about multiple threads, I thought I would consolidate all of the requisite information in this diary. I will update it after every game. If you have found an interesting statistic or record that you think I should add to this list, please put it in the comments section and I'll add it to the original post (and give you credit).
Denard is rightly focused on winning, and not on his stats. But that doesn't mean the rest of us can't enjoy his remarkable statistical achievements, while also rooting for the team to win. We haven't had a player who could challenge for NCAA offensive records at Michigan in a long, long time.
Let me note that all the records here are for Division I-A (FBS). I don't really care about who did what in the other divisions, given the inferior level of competition. Something to keep in mind is that the record books don't seem to go back before World War II; it's not clear how rigorously school, conference, and NCAA records were kept before then. One has to assume that Fielding Yost's point-a-minute teams would have harbored some record-producing players (though the game was quite different then; the forward pass was only formally legalized in 1906). So, to be as precise as possible, we should describe all of these records as modern-era records.
So, here goes:
Record of the Week
Here's an interesting one: if Denard rushes for 100 yards against Sparty, he will be the first quarterback in NCAA FBS history to rush for at least 100 yards in 6 consecutive games. Five quarterbacks, including Denard, have run for at least 100 yards in 5 consecutive games, but no one has done it in 6:
- Beau Morgan, Air Force, 1995
- Brian Madden, Navy, 1999
- Joe Webb, UAB, 2009
- Ricky Dobbs, Navy, 2009
- Denard Robinson, MICH, 2010
Rushing Yards by a QB, Single-Game
Denard currently holds the Michigan and Big Ten records for rushing yards by a quarterback in a single game: 258 vs. Notre Dame. The NCAA FBS record is 308, on 22 attempts, by Stacey Robinson of Northern Illinois, against Fresno State, on Oct. 6, 1990.
Rushing Yards by a QB, Single-Season
Denard currently has 905 rushing yards in 5 games. This projects to 2,172 over a 12-game schedule (yes, I am aware that stiffer competition is ahead). He has already destroyed the previous Michigan record for QB rushing yards in a season: 674 by Steve Smith in 1981.
Before you get too overwhelmed by all the numbers in this diary, just stop and think about that for a minute. Denard Robinson, your starting Michigan quarterback, playing before your very eyes, is on pace to more than triple a Michigan football record. And not just any record, but one that has stood for three decades. Even if you account for the fact that we're playing a very different style of football now—it's just incredible.
And if you think Smith's 674 yards are shabby, at 56.2 yards per game—back in the days before Communist Football—keep in mind that Comrade Pryor, the second-most-heralded dual-threat QB in the country today, has rushed for 373 yards, or 74.6 yards per game. Denard is at 181.0 yards per game.
The Big Ten record is 1,270 by Antwaan Randle El of Indiana in 2000; the NCAA FBS record is 1,494 by Beau Morgan of Air Force in 1996. Both of these records are easily within reach. Denard only has to average 84.2 rushing yards a game over the rest of the regular season to break the NCAA FBS record.
Rushing Yards by a QB, Career
There's no point in projecting Denard's career rushing totals, since we don't even know how he'll do this year (or if his knee will hold up), nor if he will stay for his senior season. But here are the records:
Michigan's record is held by Rick Leach (1975-1978) at 2,176 yards. (Guys like Leach and Steve Smith must salivate at what they could have done in the offense of Comrade Rodriguez.) The Big Ten record is Antwaan Randel El's (1998-2001) at 3,895 yards. The NCAA FBS record is held by Pat White (2005-2008) at 4,480 yards.
The NCAA FBS per-game career record is 109.1 yards by Stacey Robinson of Northern Illinois, achieved from 1988-1990 over 25 games.
Rushing Records (At Any Position)
For a single game, the Michigan record is 347 by Ron Johnson in 1968 against Wisconsin; the Big Ten record is 377 by Anthony Thompson of Indiana in 1989 against Wisconsin; the NCAA FBS record is 406 by LaDainian Tomlinson of TCU in 1999 against UTEP.
For a single season, the Michigan record is 1,818 yards (Tshimanga Biakabutuka, 1995); the Big Ten record is 2,109 yards (Ron Dayne, Wisconsin, 1996); the NCAA FBS record is 2,628 yards (Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State, 1988).
That Barry Sanders record will be around for a while, but remember that Denard is on pace for 2,172; if he is somehow able to maintain his current pace, he would get past Ron Dayne and into first place all-time in the Big Ten at any position.
For a career, the Michigan record is held by Mike Hart (5,040 yards, 2004-2007); the Big Ten record is held by Ron Dayne (7,125 yards, 1996-1999); the NCAA FBS record is also held by Ron Dayne, but they list it as 6,397 yards. (Herschel Walker of Georgia holds the record for a 3-year career at 5,259 yards, set from 1980-1982.)
The 200/200 Club
Much has been made of the fact that Denard is the only player in FBS history to gain 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing twice in regular-season games. To me this is a silly distinction—who cares if it was done in the regular season or a bowl game? If anything, Vince Young's performance in the 2005 Rose Bowl against USC is even more remarkable, given that that USC team is considered one of the most dominant teams of the modern era. Wake me up when Denard gets his third 200/200 game.
Anyway, here are the 200/200 games listed in the NCAA record book, sorted by total offense. You'll note that Denard is the only member of the 240/240 club, and Marques Tuiasosopo is the only member of the 200/300 club.
|Player||Team (Opponent)||Year||Rushing||Passing||Total Off.|
|Marques Tuiasosopo||Washington (Stanford)||1999||207||302||509|
|Vince Young||Texas (Oklahoma St.)||2005||267||239||506|
|Denard Robinson||MICH (Notre Dame)||2010||258||244||502|
|Denard Robinson||MICH (Indiana)||2010||217||277||494|
|Reds Bagnell||Penn (Dartmouth)||1950||214||276||490|
|Brad Smith||Missouri (Nebraska)||2005||246||234||480|
|Brian Mitchell||La.-Lafayette (Colo. St.)||1987||271||205||476|
|Antwaan Randle-El||Indiana (Minnesota)||2000||210||263||473|
|Vince Young||Texas (USC Rose Bowl)||2005||200||267||467|
|Patrick White||W. Va. (Pittsburgh)||2006||220||204||424|
|Steve Gage||Tulsa (New Mexico)||1986||212||209||421|
The 1000/1000 Club
There are 36 quarterbacks (and one halfback, Johnny Bright of Drake) in FBS who have run and thrown for 1000 yards in the same season. Of these, none have both run and passed for 1500 yards (the rushing record for QBs is 1,494). Notably, only two people have joined the 1000/1000 club as freshmen: Brad Smith of Missouri, and Joshua Cribbs of Kent State. Air Force leads the list with five different QBs, in six different seasons, in the 1000/1000 club. (It is interesting that an instrument of American capitalist imperialism, the U.S. Air Force Academy, is the premier exponent of Communist Football.)
Denard can join the 1000/1000 club—halfway through the season—by rushing for 95 yards against MSU (he has already thrown for 1,008). If he stays healthy, he should easily become the first member of the 1500/1500 club. I've sorted this list by rushing yards.
|Beau Morgan||Air Force||1996||1,494||1,210||2,704|
|Patrick White||W. Virginia||2007||1,335||1,724||3,059|
|Dee Dowis||Air Force||1989||1,286||1,285||2,571|
|Beau Morgan||Air Force||1995||1,285||1,165||2,450|
|Antwaan Randle El||Indiana||2000||1,270||1,783||3,053|
|Johnny Bright (HB)||Drake||1950||1,232||1,168||2,400|
|Chance Herridge||Air Force||2002||1,229||1,062||2,291|
|Patrick White||W. Virginia||2006||1,219||1,655||2,874|
|Keith Boyea||Air Force||2001||1,216||1,253||2,469|
|Dwight Dasher||Middle Tenn.||2009||1,154||2,789||3,943|
|Dan LeFevour||Central Mich.||2007||1,122||3,652||4,774|
|Joshua Cribbs||Kent State||2002||1,057||1,014||2,071|
|Josh Nesbitt||Ga. Tech||2009||1,037||1,701||2,738|
|Bart Weiss||Air Force||1985||1,032||1,449||2,481|
|Ell Roberson||Kansas St.||2002||1,032||1,580||2,612|
|Brad Smith (Fr.)||Missouri||2002||1,029||2,333||3,362|
|Joshua Cribbs (Fr.)||Kent State||2001||1,019||1,516||2,535|
|Reggie Collier||So. Miss.||1981||1,005||1,004||2,009|
Denard already owns the Michigan single-game total offense record (502 yards against Notre Dame), and is on pace to annihilate John Navarre's single-season total offense record of 3,240 in 2003 (Denard projects to an astounding 4,591 yards after 5 games).
The Big Ten single-game total offense record is 585 yards by Dave Wilson of Illinois, vs. Ohio State in 1980. The Big Ten single-season total offense record is 4,189 yards by Drew Brees of Purdue in 2000: also within Denard's reach.
The NCAA total offense records are dominated by prolific passers. Those records appear to be unattainable by Denard: 732 yards for a single game (David Klingler, Houston vs. Arizona State, 1990); 5,976 for a season (B.J. Symons, Texas Tech, 2003); 16,910 for a career (Timmy Chang, Hawaii, 2000-2004).
Total Offense Per Play
As with total offense records, these will be tough for Denard to keep pace with, but he is right up there at the moment. Through the Indiana game, Denard has 1,913 yards of total offense in 194 plays, for an average of 9.9.
Here are the NCAA FBS records for a single game: 14.3 by Jason Martin (La. Tech vs. Toledo, 1996) in 37 plays and 9.9 by David Klingler (Houston vs. TCU, 1990) in 63 plays. Denard came pretty close to Martin in the Indiana game, where in 35 plays he averaged 14.1 yards per play (which is almost certainly a Michigan and quite likely a Big Ten record):
|Game||Attempts + Carries||Total Offense||Yards per Play|
|Jason Martin (La. Tech vs. Toledo, 1996)||37||529||14.30|
|David Klingler (Houston vs. TCU, 1990)||63||625||9.92|
|Colt Brennan (Hawaii, 2006 season)||645||5,915||9.17|
|Sam Bradford (Oklahoma, 2007-09 career)||970||8,439||8.70|
As you can see in the table, for a single season (minimum 3,000 yards), the record is: 9.2 by Colt Brennan (Hawaii, 2006). For a career (minimum 7,500 yards): 8.7 by Sam Bradford (Oklahoma, 2007-2009).
Other Michigan Passing Records
At the end of 2009, here were some of the other Michigan passing records. Denard could break some of the completion percentage and pass efficiency records (Tate broke one as well):
- Highest completion percentage, game (min. 10 attempts): 92.3% (Jim Harbaugh, vs. Purdue, 1985, 13 attempts) (Broken by Tate Forcier, 100% in 12 attempts, vs. Bowling Green)
- Highest completion percentage, game (min. 20 attempts): 90.9% (Elvis Grbac, vs. Notre Dame, 1991, 22 attempts) (Denard is 2nd with 86.3% on 22 attempts vs. Connecticut)
- HIghest completion percentage, season (min. 100 attempts): 65.3% (Todd Collins, 1992) (Denard is at 69.8% with 96 attempts)
- Highest completion percentage, career (min. 200 attempts): 64.3% (Todd Collins, 1991-1994) (Denard is at 63.8% with 127 attempts, good for 2nd all-time)
- Highest efficiency rating, season (min. 100 attempts): 173.3 (Bob Chappuis, 1947) (Denard is at 180.0 after 5 games)
- Highest efficiency rating, career (min. 200 attempts): 148.1 (Elvis Grbac, 1989-1992)
- Yards per completion, game (min. 5 completions): Rick Leach, 36.3 vs. Purdue, 1975 (Denard's best is 27.7 with 10 attempts vs. Indiana, good for 4th all-time)
- Yards per completion, game (min. 10 completions): Jim Harbaugh, 30.0 vs. Indiana, 1986 (Denard's 27.7 Indiana performance good for 2nd all-time)
- Yards per completion, season (min. 60 completions): Bob Chappuis, 18.8, 1947 (Denard is at 15.0 with 67 completions, good for 7th all-time)
- Yards per completion, career (min. 120 completions): Rick Leach, 17.1, 1975-1978 (Denard is at 14.8 with 81 completions, good for 8th all-time)
Other Michigan Rushing Records
At the end of 2009, here were the other relevant Michigan rushing records. On average yards per carry, he owns one of the single-game records Michigan tracks, but is surprisingly far from the other ones (not that that couldn't change in a hurry). The single-season and career records are within reach:
- Average gain per rush, single-game (min. 5 carries): 25.80, Denard Robinson vs. Bowling Green (previous record was Leroy Hoard, 18.28 ypc vs. Indiana, 1988)
- Average gain per rush, single-game (min. 10 carries): 18.00, Rob Lytle vs. MSU, 1976 (Denard: 11.42 vs. Indiana on 19 carries)
- Average gain per rush, single-game (min. 15 carries): 15.70, Tyrone Wheatley vs. Washington, 1993 Rose Bowl (Denard: 11.42 vs. Indiana on 19 carries)
- Average gain per rush, single-game (min. 20 carries): 11.19, Ron Johnson vs. Wisconsin, 1968 (Denard: 9.21 vs. Notre Dame on 28 carries)
- Average gain per rush, single-season (min. 75 carries): 7.34, Tyrone Wheatley, 1992 (Denard 2010: 9.23)
- Average gain per rush, career (min. 200 carries): 6.29, Jon Vaughn, 1989-1990 (Denard: 7.52 on 167 carries)
- 100-yard rushing games, season: 10, Jamie Morris, 1987 (Denard has 5)
- 150-yard rushing games, season: 6, Anthony Thomas, 2000 (Denard has 3)
- 200-yard rushing games, season: 3, Mike Hart, 2004 (Denard has 2)
Thanks to tf (Michigan rushing single-game record) and danieljpaul (Denard's season totals) for corrections. H/T to tubauberalles and enlightenedbum for tracking down the FBS single-game QB rushing record. Raoul and UM in VA persuaded me to post the total offense numbers, and pointed out Denard's ridiculous per-play stats, which I also added to the diary.
I have to say, I love the spread and shred. Rodriguez and Magee are going to have guys breaking records every year.
I can't believe how many entries there are for Robinson already. I am a little confused why Robinson isn't mentioned in the Average Gain per Rush (min 5 carries) after the BGSU game... maybe that is only for RBs?
Can't wait to see the next record go down. Maybe another Most Yards Gained record for D.Rob?
Batting practice for Colorado. Sucked to be the Cubs.