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Michigan football is Phil Steele's projected ap preseason #19

By True_Blue — April 6th, 2013 at 5:42 PM — 26 comments
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Title says it all. He also has Alabama at 1, ohio 2, and Oregon 3. Link: http://www.freep.com/article/20130406/SPORTS06/130406016/michigan-wolver... (I know, it's a freep article... Grumble grumble grumble) Phil steele's full projection: http://philsteele.com/Blogs/2013/APR13/DBApr06.html
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Legitimate ranking for Wilton Speight?

By Bad MotherHoker — February 28th, 2013 at 1:19 AM — 52 comments
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 I was wondering if some of the more proficient members of this board had any conjectures on how high Wilton Speight, might be ranked when it's all said and done?

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Ranking Defenses Based on Difference Compared to Average

By Gameboy — October 31st, 2012 at 2:21 AM — 12 comments
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Offense and defense rankings based on total numbers and straight averages can be misleading at times. If a team plays opponents with strong rush offense but weak pass offense, the team's pass defense stats might look better than what they really should be. This is something Michigan was being accused of due to the fact that much of our "bad" defensive games came against strong rushing teams (Alabama and Air Force).

One way to mitigate this "effect" would be to not look at the totals and average numbers, but compare the game output against the average output the opponent has produced against all opponents. This produces numbers that show you how good your performance was compared to all other team that your opponent has played. It is more useful comparative method than using just total numbers.

So, exactly how does it work?

Here are the stats for Michigan so far this year:

Opponents Rush Net Total Pass Yds Total Total Yds Pts Avg Rush Total Avg Pass Total Avg Total Offense Avg Scoring Offense
Alabama 232 199 431 41 214.38 222 436.38 40.63
Air Force 290 127 417 25 366.25 114.38 480.63 34.5
Massachusetts 112 147 259 13 101.375 169.125 270.5 11.25
Notre Dame 94 145 239 13 196.5 193.25 389.75 26.38
Purdue 56 162 218 13 161.25 220.25 381.5 30.88
Illinois 105 29 134 0 132.5 184.88 317.38 18
Michigan St. 112 192 304 10 131.22 229.11 360.33 19.22
Nebraska 160 166 326 23 264.13 225 489.13 39.25
Average All Opp 145.1 145.9 291.0 17.3 196.0 194.7 390.7 27.5

 

Opponents Avg Rush Off Diff Avg Pass Off Diff Avg Total Off Diff Avg Scoring Off Diff
Alabama 8% -10% -1% 1%
Air Force -21% 11% -13% -28%
Massachusetts 10% -13% -4% 16%
Notre Dame -52% -25% -39% -51%
Purdue -65% -26% -43% -58%
Illinois -21% -84% -58% -100%
Michigan St. -15% -16% -16% -48%
Nebraska -39% -26% -33% -41%
Average All Opp -24% -24% -26% -39%

The first four columns of stats represent the actual stats from the game played against Michigan. The second set (of four) columns are the average output of that team against all opponents this year. The last set (of four) columns second table are the differences in percentage of actual game stat versus the total year averages.

As you can see from the table, Alabama produced their average offensive output against Michigan while Purdue and Illinois barely produced about half of their normal offensive output.

By averaging all of the averages, we find that our defense is reducing our opponents' normal offensive output by about 25%, while only allowing only 61% of their normal scoring output.

Sounds pretty good, but how does that compare to rest of NCAA?

I didn't have enough time to calculate the differential averages for every team in NCAA, but I did the analysis for top 10 Pass/Rush/Total defensive teams and all of Big Ten (plus ND). I did not include stats against FCS opponents. Here it is ranked by total offense differential.

Rk School Avg Rush
Off Diff
Avg Pass
Off Diff
Avg Total
Off Diff
Avg Scoring
Off Diff
1 Alabama -64% -34% -49% -71%
2 LSU -50% -30% -37% -45%
3 Florida St. -34% -36% -36% -51%
4 BYU -45% -29% -31% -44%
5 Michigan St. -50% -15% -30% -46%
6 Michigan -24% -24% -26% -39%
7 Notre Dame -56% -15% -25% -65%
8 Connecticut -18% -24% -23% -24%
9 Wisconsin -29% -17% -21% -31%
10 Maryland -34% -11% -21% -11%
11 Bowling Green -32% -15% -18% -39%
12 Boise St. -15% -19% -16% -44%
13 Stanford -62% 3% -15% -37%
14 Oregon St. -39% 4% -15% -39%
15 Nebraska -1% -24% -14% -7%
16 Fresno St. -14% -18% -14% -24%
17 Arizona St. 5% -32% -14% -17%
18 Rutgers -41% -5% -13% -39%
19 Penn St. -39% 9% -13% -35%
20 Minnesota 16% -30% -9% -1%
21 Iowa -1% -17% -8% -20%
22 Illinois -12% -4% -6% 5%
23 Ohio St. -31% 9% -5% -20%
24 Vanderbilt 14% -16% -1% -18%
25 Northwestern -19% 13% 1% -13%
26 Purdue 14% 6% 11% 15%
27 Indiana 17% 17% 18% 19%

Few things that stand out:

  • Alabama, LSU, and Florida St defense stand above the rest
  • Michigan and Michigan St defenses stand above the rest of B1G
  • Michigan is pretty good at both run and pass defense
  • Ohio St pass defense is HORRIBLE!
  • BYU defense is much better than I thought
  • Many of the defenses highly ranked in one (pass or rush) only because they are so horrible at the other (I am looking at you Arizona St, Stanford, Nebraska and Oregon St!)
  • Notre Dame is living on borrowed time - their scoring differential is MUCH higher than what rest of the defensive differentials would indicate

I do believe converting straight up numbers to percentages makes it much easier to compare between pass/rush and between different teams. I hope most of you find this useful. If I get enough upvotes, I will do the same analysis for offense as well.

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Graph Theory Ranking: Post-Season

By joeyb — December 25th, 2010 at 5:07 PM — 9 comments
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This is my first time using Windows Live Writer to post something, so if something looks weird, that’s why. I’m making some changes to my database to allow me to rank past and future seasons, other sports, etc. I wanted to get these ranking out there before I make these changes and before most of the bowls get underway.

There are a few tweaks that I made to the algorithm. The major thing is that I took out FCS teams. Imagine you have Team A that plays 12 FBS teams and Team B that plays 11 FBS teams and 1 FCS team. In graph theory, playing that FCS team gives Team B shorter pathways to the 120ish teams in the FCS. I felt this was an unfair advantage for teams playing weaker schedules.

I also experimented with how to factor in Win-Loss (long story short, nothing changed with this, so you can skip to the next paragraph if you would like). Think about MSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa. MSU beat Wisconsin by 10, which gave them a path of .5 (1 / 2 scores). Iowa beat MSU by 31, which gave them a path of .25 (1 / 4 scores). When multiplied by the Win-Loss factor at the end, Wisconsin would receive a lower path score for Iowa’s win over MSU because they had the better record. I didn’t like the idea that Wisconsin could get more credit for Iowa’s win over MSU than Iowa would. I messed around with applying the winning team’s overall record to each game, then the same with the losing team’s record. I tried lots of different things, but none of them looked right. I didn’t like the idea of doing something just because it looked right, though. I decided that the additional path length that Wisconsin accrues by having to beat Iowa (they only beat Iowa by a point, so the path to Iowa is 1 and the path to MSU is 1.25) was enough of a penalty on Wisconsin.

The last main change since I last posted is that I am now factoring in homefield advantage. I have calculated homefield advantage to be worth 3.77 points in FBS games this year. In the Big Ten games it was roughly 6 or 7 points. When I did the power ranking for the Big Ten, I experimented using the two values and decided that 3.77 was the better number to use. One, it’s closer to the value that is usually associated with homefield advantage, and two, it would change from conference to conference. Mostly, though, it would change the path lengths between teams when going from the NCAA ranking to the conference power rankings, which is something that I didn’t want.

Without further ado, here are your top 25 and conference power rankings to start out the post-season. Keep in mind that because the conference power rankings only take into account the games that are played within the conference, teams might not be in the same order in the conference and in the top 25.

  FBS Top 25  
1 Oregon 1.677444
2 Stanford 1.963008
3 TCU 2.011924
4 Auburn 2.066706
5 Oklahoma 2.252090
6 Boise State 2.321805
7 Wisconsin 2.461991
8 Ohio State 2.473381
9 Missouri 2.555164
10 Virginia Tech 2.564181
11 Nevada 2.565927
12 Oklahoma State 2.609843
13 Nebraska 2.610955
14 Michigan State 2.687252
15 Arkansas 2.776214
16 Utah 2.942520
17 Navy 3.108798
18 LSU 3.119942
19 Alabama 3.128550
20 South Carolina 3.163205
21 Texas A&M 3.174412
22 Florida State 3.509243
23 Hawaii 3.525703
24 USC 3.628385
25 West Virginia 3.764604
30 Mississippi State 4.113444
40 Michigan 4.652036

 

ACC
Virginia Tech
Florida State
Miami (YTM)
North Carolina State
Maryland
Clemson
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Virginia
Duke
Wake Forest

 

Big 12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Nebraska
Missouri
Texas A&M
Baylor
Iowa State
Texas
Kansas State
Texas Tech
Colorado
Kansas

 

Big East
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Connecticut
Syracuse
Louisville
South Florida
Cincinnati
Rutgers

 

Big Ten
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Ohio State
Iowa
Illinois
Penn State
Northwestern
Michigan
Minnesota
Purdue
Indiana

 

Conference USA
UCF
Tulsa
Southern Miss
Southern Methodist
East Carolina
Houston
Marshall
Rice
UTEP
UAB
Tulane
Memphis

 

MAC
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Miami (NTM)
Ohio
Western Michigan
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Akron

 

MWC
TCU
Utah
Air Force
Brigham Young
San Diego State
UNLV
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico

 

PAC 10
Oregon
Stanford
USC
Washington
Oregon State
Arizona State
Arizona
California
UCLA
Washington State

 

SEC
Auburn
Arkansas
LSU
Alabama
South Carolina
Florida
Mississippi State
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Mississippi
Vanderbilt

 

Sun Belt
Troy Trojans of Troy (We’re from Troy!)
Florida International
Middle Tennessee
Arkansas State
Louisiana-Monroe
North Texas
Florida Atlantic
Louisiana-Lafayette
Western Kentucky

 

WAC
Boise State
Hawaii
Nevada
Fresno State
Louisiana Tech
Idaho
Utah State
New Mexico State
San Jose State

I have an idea for game predictions, so I’ll probably post another poll along with bowl game predictions and comparisons to actual results. Sometime in January I’ll post polls for Basketball and Hockey.

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The Michigan Difference - Wisconsin Edition

By TennBlue — November 23rd, 2010 at 7:17 PM — 7 comments
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Here's this week's update to The Michigan Difference, updated with stats from this week's games.

Another bipolar game against Wisconsin.  The final offensive output was pretty good, but the defense couldn't stand up to their rushing attack.  We remain #5 in Total Offense (TO) and are now #112 in Total Defense (TD).

Disclaimer: The NCAA stats are not linear, of course, and a difference of 1 yd/gm can be a large or small difference in rankings depending on how closely spaced everyone is.  So as I cautioned, this isn't a hard-core statistical exercise.  This analysis is pretty one-dimensional because it's long and complicated enough as it is.

I think the greatest value in this is to look back at the early games and see how well we did in comparison to what other teams ended up doing against them - what seemed like a good or bad performance at the time may look different in retrospect.

 

Part the First: Offense

We know our offense is great, but what kind of damage has it done to the Total Defense (TD) ratings of our opponents?  Here they are thus far:

Opponents' Total Defense, Season
Opponent Games Yards Yielded Yds/gm NCAA Rank
Connecticut 10 3512 351.20 44
Notre Dame 11 3977 361.55 55
Bowling Green 11 4742 431.09 104
Indiana 11 4612 419.27 94
Michigan State 11 3657 332.45 28
Iowa 11 3423 311.18 14
Penn State 11 3899 354.45 48
Illinois 11 3766 342.36 35
Purdue 11 4025 365.91 58
Wisconsin 11 3598 327.09 26

 

What would these guys' defensive stats look like if they hadn't played Michigan?

Michigan Offensive Performances
Opponent Total Offense, M

Opp. Avg - M,
Yds/gm*

M Total Offense,
% of Opp Avg - M**

NCAA Rank
Without M

Connecticut 473 337.67 140% 32
Notre Dame 532 344.50 154% 40
Bowling Green 721 402.10 179% 84
Indiana 574 403.80 142% 86
Michigan State 377 328.00 115% 27
Iowa 522 290.10 180% 6
Penn State 423 347.60 122% 44
Illinois 676 309.00 219% 13
Purdue 395 363.00 109% 57
Wisconsin 442 315.60 140% 16

*Opponents' average Total Defense yards per game, minus the Michigan game

**Michigan's Total Offense in game as a % of the opponent's average TD minus the Michigan game

Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin's defenses really wish they hadn't played us.  They'd be in the top 20 nationally but for one game.  Michigan has gained above our opponents' average yardage yielded in every game thus far, and their Total Defense rankings have suffered as a result.  What's the damage?

The Michigan Difference, Offense
Opponent TD Rank With M TD Rank Without M Difference
Connecticut 44 32 -12
Notre Dame 55 40 -15
Bowling Green 104 84 -20
Indiana 94 86 -8
Michigan State 28 27 -1
Iowa 14 6 -8
Penn State 48 44 -4
Illinois 35 13 -22
Purdue 58 57 -1
Wisconsin 26 16 -10

Average change in Total Defense ranking for all opponents:  -10.1 places.

Looking at the offensive performance versus the quality of the defense:

There is little correlation between Michigan's Total Offense for a game and their opponent's average Total Defense (minus M).  Whatever is limiting our offense's output in a game, it is not directly related to the number of yards the opponent usually gives up.  This would suggest that the offense tends to be limited by itself, rather than the opponent.

Part the Second, Defense

So the flipside of this, then, is how much has our defensive suckitude helped out our opponents stat sheet?  Where would they rank in Total Offense without having played us?  We'll run the same tables again, but from the opposite tack:

Michigan Opponents' Offensive Performances, Season
Opponent Games Yards Gained Yds/gm NCAA Rank
Connecticut 10 3311 331.10 95
Notre Dame 11 4243 385.73 58
Bowling Green 11 3137 285.18 114
Indiana 11 4247 386.09 57
Michigan State 11 4549 413.55 37
Iowa 11 4335 394.09 51
Penn State 11 4093 372.09 66
Illinois 11 4230 384.55 61
Purdue 11 3429 311.73 102
Wisconsin 11 4843 440.27 23

Wisconsin is easily the strongest offensive team we've faced thus far.  The results of the game show that.  MSU was pretty good, the rest varying degrees of average to bad.

                              

Michigan Defensive Performances

Opponent

Total Defense, M

Opp. Avg - M,

Yds/gm*

Opp Total Offense,

% of Opp Avg - M**

NCAA Rank

Without M

Connecticut 343 329.78 104% 96
Notre Dame 535 370.80 144% 69
Bowling Green 283 285.40 99% 114
Indiana 568 367.90 154% 71
Michigan State 536 401.30 134% 47
Iowa 383 395.20 97% 51
Penn State 435 365.80 119% 72
Illinois 561 366.90 152% 70
Purdue 256 317.30 81% 101
Wisconsin 558 428.50 130% 32

* Opponents' average Total Offensive performance, minus the Michigan game

** Opponents' Total Offense as a percentage of their average offensive performance, minus the Michigan game

Here's a nifty graph of our opponents' Total Offense against Michigan, versus their average Total Offense per game without the Michigan game:

In this case, we do have a reasonably good correlation.  Our defense does worse against better offenses.  That would suggest that we're talent-limited somewhere (either coaches or players) and the opponents' offenses tend to have their way with us.  In other words, our defense doesn't shut anybody down.  The more yards our opponents average per game, the better they'll do against us.

To summarize:

The Michigan Difference, Defense
Opponent TO Rank With M TO Rank Without M Difference
Connecticut 95 96 +1
Notre Dame 58 69 +11
Bowling Green 114 114 0
Indiana 57 71 +14
Michigan State 37 47 +10
Iowa 51 51 0
Penn State 66 72 +6
Illinois 61 70 +9
Purdue 102 101 -1
Wisconsin 23 32 +9

Average boost to opponents' Total Offense NCAA ranking: +5.9 places

From this perspective, the Wisconsin game was our 4th worst defensive performance of the year.  As bad as we looked, three other games were worse.  We were up against a very good offense, and it showed.

Part the Third:  Summary

The Michigan Difference, Overall
Opponent

Michigan's O Difference

on Opp TD Ranking

Michigan's D Difference

on Opp TO Ranking

 
Connecticut -12 +1 W: Good O, OK D
Notre Dame -15 +11 W: Good O, Terrible D
Bowling Green -20 0 W: Awesome O, OK D
Indiana -8 +14 W: Good O, Terrible D
Michigan State -1 +10 L: OK O, Terrible D
Iowa -8 0 L: Good O, OK D
Penn State -4 +6 L:Good O, Bad D
Illinois -22 +9 W:, Awesome O, Terrible D
Purdue -1 --1 W: OK O, OK D
Wisconsin -10 +9 L: Good O, Terrible D

In subtly maize-and-blue graphical form:

 

New observations for this week:

  • Many of our previous opponents had good weeks offensively, making our defense look a bit better less bad in those previous games.
  • Wisconsin is easily the best team we've faced yet.  Offensive and defensive performances were close to mid-pack, but we got our butts kicked.
  • Our offense remains impressive and will keep getting better.
  • Our defense is terrible and had better get a lot better.
  • Winning is still a lot more fun than losing.
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The Road to #1- Hockey and Basketball Schedule Analysis (Both Our Own and Others)

By jman077 — December 8th, 2008 at 9:06 PM — 7 comments
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So, I do a lot of schedule analysis for my own purposes for hockey, and, I was just doing something similar for basketball, and figured, well, why not sign up for an account at MGoBlog and let other people see my work? So, I hope to carve out a little niche here and post analysis of schedules and figure out what the basketball team must do to attain a ranking, and which other teams must lose for them to get one, and what the Michigan hockey team must do to advance in rankings.

Some weeks I might do Basketball on Monday and Hockey on Tuesday, but, that seems silly since hockey's heading into a break.

As a general rule, I'll only talk about the 5 teams above us in the rankings. Unless we're not ranked, in which case I'll talk about teams 21-25 and those with more votes than us.

So, a hockey mini-analysis:
This weekend, we swept Michigan State. It was awesome. As a consequence, we moved from #14 to #12, and cracking the top 10 is always nice. We don't play until the GLI, so, there's no way to analyze our schedule here.

So, teams that can affect us just by losing that play this weekend:
#11 Vermont plays at St. Lawrence, just on Saturday. St. Lawrence? Not very good. Not terrible. Just sub-.500. Vermont probably leaves with a win. Doesn't affect us.
A very important Saturday/Sunday series to watch is #10 Colorado College playing at #2 Minnesota. A Minnesota sweep could mean Michigan leapfrogs CC without even playing.
No games for #9 Cornell, #8 Boston College, or #7 Princeton.

So, the skinny: The best Michigan can hope for is Minnesota sweeps Colorado College at home and Michigan is #11 next week. There's a very off chance St. Lawrence wins, and, if both things happen, we may just crack the top 10.

Basketball is way more complicated.

In the USA Today Coach's Poll, we're a theoretical #30. In the AP Media Poll, we're a theoretical #28. Our only game this week is Saturday against a one-win Eastern Michigan at Crisler. 4:00, BTN. I'm excited. Not really. Should pick it up easily. And by that I mean, WE MUST KILL THEM IF WE WANT TO BE RANKED NEXT WEEK. A NARROW WIN WON'T BE GOOD ENOUGH.

This is the part where you skip to the last paragraph, unless you're a ridiculous die-hard. Trust me, you'll do it pretty soon.

I'll start with the non-ranked teams that separate us from the Top 25. For the rest of the article, I will list rankings in the same order I listed ours. If its only a theoretical ranking, there will be a "T" before it, and if a team's ranked in one poll and non-ranked in another, I'll mention their non-ranking. So, if a team was a theoretical #31 in the USA Today Poll and non-ranked in any fashion in the AP Poll, they'd be listed as "T#31/NR".

T#29/T#31 BYU: Two games this week, one against Boise State on Wednesday, one against Portland on Saturday, both at home. Neither team has votes of any sort, also, neither team has more than two losses. Losing to both? Unlikely. Losing to one? Not unreasonable.

T#28/T#35 Wisconsin: The Badgers (who we happen to open Big Ten play against) play tomorrow against a two-win Idaho State team, and play Wisconsin-Green Bay on Saturday. WGB is 5-2 (2-0), but, that doesn't mean I'm impressed with any of their wins.

T#27/T#26 Dayton: Losable game on the road at 5-2 Creighton Wednesday. Easy win at home against Coppin State Saturday.

T#26/#22 Baylor: Easy game Saturday against Prairie View A&M. Can't see them falling from AP, may enter USA Today.

T#31/T#27 Clemson: Game Saturday against South Carolina State. I anticipate a Clemson win. SCS is over .500, but, Clemson is undefeated.

#25/T#29 Miami (FL): Florida Intl. on Friday. Robert Morris on Sunday. Win. Win.

#23/#25 Kansas: Saturday v. 1-win UMass. Win.

#24/#24 Marquette: Saturday v. crappy IPFW. They're 3-5, which means I don't care about them enough to look up what that stands for. Win.

#22/#23 Davidson: Would you look at that, a real contest. Tuesday Davidson plays a 6-1 West Virginia team (and, while it's basically irrelevant, they're T#39/NR. The T#39 ties them with Florida St. at 1 vote, last in the poll). So, they could lose that one. Saturday, 1-win Chattanooga. Win.

#21/#21 Ohio State: I don't know why, but OSU has only played five games this season. Saturday they play their sixth in Columbus vs. an undefeated Butler. Butler could definitely win. I'm not sure they will, but they could.

So, the skinny:
We can hope for an Ohio State loss. We can hope for a Davidson loss. We can hope for a Dayton loss. We can hope for two BYU losses. If all of those things happen, and we KILL EMU, by my estimation, we still end up something like T#26/T#26, unless we get lucky. Next week, we beat Oakland at a "neutral" site (I imagine it'll be a slightly pro-UofM crowd), then we might be talking ranking.

I'll post Thursday-ish saying how goes it so far. Until then, good night, don't let the Tommy Amakers bite.

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