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Rather than visiting multiple sites to check out all of the reviews for NCAA football 11, check out metacritic.com.  All of the reviews in one place...it looks like it is going to be a must get this year.

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Preface/Disclaimer:

All of this data is based on the rosters listed on ESPN.

The average NFL team has approximately 63 players listed on their roster on the ESPN page (varying from the Vikings having 55 to the Bills having 73).  Now, this is clearly more than the NFL limit of 53 players on the active roster, so the numbers in the rest of this diary won’t be 100% correct, but they are based on what ESPN says.  Additionally, there were a few quirks in the positional listings, such as occasionally having OL listed, instead of OT or G.  In one of the analyses I did, I just changed all listings of OL to OT (because I was lazy), but in another I looked up the few players that were different.  This could result in some error.

 

In case anyone wants to toy around with anything I’ve worked on, I have all of my spreadsheets uploaded here:

http://sharebee.com/7880bf69

 

WARNING: Wall of text and data ahead.  I thought about breaking this up into multiple parts, but decided against it.

Other warning, some of the charts at the end are a bit on the large side and may leak over into the sidebar.

 

 

 Ranking the top 50 colleges by their number of players in the NFL.

Rank

COLLEGE

Total

1

Texas

42

2

Louisiana State

41

3

Miami (Fla.)

40

4

USC

39

 

Georgia

39

6

Ohio State

37

7

Tennessee

36

8

Nebraska

34

9

Michigan

33

10

Florida State

32

 

Florida

32

12

Notre Dame

30

 

California

30

14

Oklahoma

29

 

Auburn

29

16

Iowa

28

17

Penn State

27

18

Purdue

26

 

Louisville

26

20

Virginia Tech

25

 

Virginia

25

 

North Carolina

25

23

Oregon

24

 

Michigan State

24

 

Maryland

24

 

Boston College

24

 

Alabama

24

28

Texas A&M

22

 

Oregon State

22

 

Georgia Tech

22

31

Wisconsin

21

 

Pittsburgh

21

 

Illinois

21

34

South Carolina

20

 

Rutgers

20

 

North Carolina State

20

 

Mississippi State

20

 

Mississippi

20

39

UCLA

18

 

Kansas State

18

 

Colorado

18

 

Arizona

18

43

San Diego State

17

 

Fresno State

17

 

Clemson

17

 

Arkansas

17

 

Arizona State

17

48

Washington State

16

 

Utah

16

50

Wake Forest

15

 

Central Florida

15

 

Brigham Young

15

 

Top Schools by Position:

(# from – school from)

Centers: 4 – California, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Texas A&M

Cornerbacks: 7 – Ohio State, 6 – Auburn, South Carolina, 5 – Michigan, Pittsburgh, Texas

Defensive Ends: 8 – Georgia, 7 – Florida, 5 – North Carolina

Defensive Tackles: 6 – Texas, Texas A&M, 5 – Florida State, Miami (Fla.), Michigan State, Tennessee

Fullbacks: 2 – Alabama, West Virginia

Guards: 5 – LSU, 4 – Iowa, Nebraska

Linebackers: 8 – Miami (Fla.), Ohio State, USC, 7 – Michigan, Nebraska, Purdue

Offensive Tackles: 5 – Boston College, Florida State, 4 – Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Virginia

Punters: 2 – Ball State, Notre Dame, Tennessee

Place Kickers: 2 – Florida State, Louisiana Tech, Nebraska, North Carolina, Texas, Washington State

Quarterbacks: 4 – USC, 3 – Boston College, Fresno State, Louisville, Michigan, Oregon, Purdue

Running Backs: 4 – Georgia, Texas, USC, Virginia

Safeties: 5 – LSU, 4 – Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami (Fla.), Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, Washington State

Tight Ends: 5 – Virginia, 3 – Arizona State, California, Colorado, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Iowa, Maryland, Miami (Fla.), Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas

Wide Receivers: 8 – Ohio State, 6 – LSU, Miami (Fla.), Virginia Tech, 5 – North Carolina, Oklahoma

 

 

The Eagles have 5 players from Georgia, and the Chiefs have 5 players from LSU.  No other NFL team has as many players from a single school.

 

The average NFL team has (listed on their ESPN roster):

Centers: 3.063, Giants and Jets only have one each, Bills have six

Cornerbacks: 6.875, Vikings, Cowboys, Dolphins, and Raiders have only five, Packers have ten

Defensive Ends: 5.344, Ravens only have one, Raiders and Rams have eight

Defensive Tackles: 4.969, Cowboys only have one, Panthers and Ravens have eight

Fullbacks: 1.313, a number of teams have zero, a few have three

Guards: 3.188, Titans, Raiders, and Falcons only have one, Chiefs have six

Linebackers: 8.281, Broncos only have five, Chargers and Patriots have eleven

Offensive Tackles: 4.906, Chiefs only have two, a bunch of teams have seven

Punters: 1.188, Most teams only have one, Buccaneers have three

Place Kickers: 1.188, most teams have one, a few have two

Quarterbacks: 3.25, Jaguars and Packers only have two, Panthers have five

Running Backs: 4.438, it’s pretty evenly spread from three to six

Safeties: 4.563, Chargers and Panthers only have two, Falcons and Texans have seven

Tight Ends: 3.938, Jaguars and Patriots only have two, Bengals and Colts have seven

Wide Receivers: 6.406, a few teams have only five, Buccaneers have nine

 

 

Ranking the FBS conferences by the average number of players that end up in the NFL per team*

 

Conference

AVG # Players/Team

Total # of Players

SEC

24.75

297

Big Ten

22.72727273

250

ACC

22.66666667

272

PAC-10

21

210

Big 12

18.33333333

220

Big East

15

120

MWC

10.625

85

WAC

7.777777778

70

C-USA

6.583333333

79

MAC

5.230769231

68

Sun-Belt

3.444444444

31

 

 

*Note that I did not factor in the service academies, as there is only one player from the any of them playing in the NFL (Kyle Eckel, from Navy).  I assume that is due to the 5 year requirement of being in their corresponding service after graduating.  As such, I also did not include the Independents in the chart, as it would have just been Notre Dame.

 

Ranking the different conferences by position

 

Center:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

Big Ten

1.090909091

12

ACC

1.083333333

13

Big 12

1

12

PAC-10

1

10

SEC

0.916666667

11

C-USA

0.75

9

WAC

0.555555556

5

MAC

0.384615385

5

MWC

0.375

3

Big East

0.25

2

Sun-Belt

0

0

 

Cornerback:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

SEC

2.75

33

Big East

2.625

21

Big Ten

2.090909091

23

Big 12

2

24

ACC

1.916666667

23

PAC-10

1.7

17

WAC

1.333333333

12

MWC

0.875

7

Sun-Belt

0.777777778

7

C-USA

0.5

6

MAC

0.461538462

6

 

Defensive End:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

SEC

2.75

33

Big Ten

1.818181818

20

Big 12

1.75

21

ACC

1.75

21

PAC-10

1.6

16

Big East

1.25

10

MWC

0.75

6

WAC

0.555555556

5

MAC

0.307692308

4

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

C-USA

0

0

 

Defensive Tackle:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

SEC

2.583333333

31

Big 12

2.25

27

Big Ten

2.181818182

24

ACC

2.166666667

26

PAC-10

1.5

15

Big East

0.75

6

MWC

0.5

4

MAC

0.461538462

6

Sun-Belt

0.333333333

3

C-USA

0.25

3

WAC

0.111111111

1

 

Fullback:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

Big East

0.75

6

SEC

0.5

6

PAC-10

0.4

4

ACC

0.333333333

4

Big 12

0.25

3

Sun-Belt

0.222222222

2

Big Ten

0.181818182

2

MWC

0.125

1

WAC

0.111111111

1

C-USA

0.083333333

1

MAC

0.076923077

1

 

Guard:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

SEC

1.666666667

20

Big Ten

1.363636364

15

Big 12

1.166666667

14

PAC-10

1

10

Big East

0.875

7

ACC

0.666666667

8

WAC

0.666666667

6

MWC

0.5

4

C-USA

0.25

3

MAC

0.153846154

2

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

 

Linebacker:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

ACC

3.916666667

47

Big Ten

3.545454545

39

SEC

3.25

39

PAC-10

2.6

26

Big 12

2.166666667

26

Big East

2.125

17

MWC

2.125

17

C-USA

0.75

9

WAC

0.444444444

4

Sun-Belt

0.444444444

4

MAC

0.384615385

5

 

Offensive Tackle:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

ACC

2.166666667

26

Big Ten

1.818181818

20

SEC

1.75

21

Big 12

1.416666667

17

MWC

1.375

11

PAC-10

1.1

11

Big East

0.875

7

WAC

0.666666667

6

MAC

0.615384615

8

C-USA

0.583333333

7

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

 

Punter:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

PAC-10

0.4

4

Big East

0.375

3

Big Ten

0.363636364

4

Big 12

0.333333333

4

MAC

0.307692308

4

SEC

0.25

3

ACC

0.166666667

2

C-USA

0.166666667

2

WAC

0.111111111

1

MWC

0

0

Sun-Belt

0

0

 

Place Kicker:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

Big 12

0.583333333

7

ACC

0.5

6

Big Ten

0.454545455

5

PAC-10

0.4

4

WAC

0.333333333

3

Big East

0.25

2

SEC

0.166666667

2

C-USA

0.166666667

2

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

MAC

0.076923077

1

MWC

0

0

 

Quarterback:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

PAC-10

1.5

15

Big Ten

1.181818182

13

Big East

1

8

SEC

0.916666667

11

C-USA

0.75

9

ACC

0.666666667

8

MWC

0.625

5

Big 12

0.583333333

7

WAC

0.555555556

5

MAC

0.384615385

5

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

 

Running Back:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

Big Ten

1.818181818

20

SEC

1.75

21

PAC-10

1.7

17

Big 12

1.25

15

ACC

1.166666667

14

Big East

1

8

MWC

0.875

7

C-USA

0.583333333

7

MAC

0.307692308

4

WAC

0.222222222

2

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

 

Safety:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

PAC-10

2.1

21

SEC

2

24

ACC

1.916666667

23

Big Ten

1.363636364

15

Big 12

1

12

Big East

0.75

6

MWC

0.75

6

WAC

0.555555556

5

Sun-Belt

0.555555556

5

C-USA

0.333333333

4

MAC

0.307692308

4

 

Tight End:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

ACC

1.833333333

22

PAC-10

1.6

16

Big Ten

1.181818182

13

Big 12

1.166666667

14

SEC

1.083333333

13

Big East

0.875

7

WAC

0.555555556

5

MWC

0.5

4

C-USA

0.5

6

MAC

0.461538462

6

Sun-Belt

0.111111111

1

 

Wide Receiver:

Conference

AVG/Team

Total #

ACC

2.416666667

29

SEC

2.416666667

29

PAC-10

2.3

23

Big Ten

2.272727273

25

Big 12

1.416666667

17

MWC

1.25

10

Big East

1.125

9

WAC

1

9

C-USA

0.916666667

11

MAC

0.538461538

7

Sun-Belt

0.333333333

3

 


Some more data related to individual conferences:

ACC:

Duke has the least players in the NFL of any ACC team, with only three.

The Falcons, Giants, and Texans have more players from the ACC than any other team, with 14 each.  The Packers have the fewest ACC players, with only three.

Big 12:

Kansas has the least players in the NFL of any Big 12 team, with only six.

The Buccaneers have more players from the Big 12 than any other team, with 12.  The Dolphins, Giants, and Raiders have the fewest Big 12 players, with only two each.

Big East:

South Florida has the least players in the NFL of any Big East team, with only six.

The Colts, Eagles, Jaguars, and Panthers have more players from the Big East than any other team, with 7 each.  The Bears, Browns, Chiefs, Redskins, and Vikings each only have one Big East player.
Big Ten:

Indiana has the least players in the NFL of any Big Ten team, with nine.

The Jets have more players from the Big Ten than any other team, with 13.  The Eagles have the fewest Big Ten players, with only one.

C-USA:

Southern Methodist and UAB are tied for the least players in the NFL of any C-USA team, with only two each.

The Raiders have more players from C-USA than any other team, with six.  The Cowboys, Redskins, and Seahawks all have no players from C-USA.

MAC:

Buffalo has the least players in the NFL of any MAC team, with only two.

The Lions have more players from the MAC than any other team, with five.  The Cardinals, Jets, Redskins, and Seahawks all have no MAC players.

MWC:

Ignoring the Air Force’s zero, UNLV has the least players in the MWC with three.

The Texans have more players from the MWC than any other team, with eight.  The Broncos, Chiefs, Falcons, Patriots, and Titans all have zero MWC players.

PAC-10:

Stanford and Washington have the least players in the NFL of any PAC-10 team, with 13.

The Seahawks have more players from the PAC-10 than any other team, with 14.  The Broncos and Dolphins have the fewest PAC-10 players, with only three each.

SEC:

Kentucky has the least players in the NFL of any SEC team, with only seven.

The Chiefs have more players from the SEC than any other team, with 16.  The Giants have the fewest SEC players, with five.

Sun-Belt:

FAU has zero players in the NFL.

The Falcons, Giants, and Panthers have more players from the Sun-Belt than any other team, with three each.  Thirteen NFL teams have zero Sun-Belt players.

WAC:

New Mexico State has the least players in the NFL of any WAC team, with only two.

The Redskins, Packers, and Jaguars have more players from the WAC than any other team, with five each.  The Bengals, Chiefs, Lions, Steelers, and Texans all have no WAC players.


I also compiled a list of the all of the players in the NFL from Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, and Ohio State:

 

Michigan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

33

Team

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15

Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

QB

Tom Brady

Chad Henne

Todd Collins

 

 

 

 

1

RB

Mike Hart

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

FB

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

WR

Braylon Edwards

Steve Breaston

Jason Avant

Mario Manningham

 

 

0

TE

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

4

OT

Jake Long

Jeff Backus

Jon Runyan

Jon Jansen

 

 

3

G

Steve Hutchinson

David Baas

Jonathan Goodwin

 

 

 

0

C

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17

Defense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

DT

Alan Branch

Gabe Watson

 

 

 

 

 

2

DE

James Hall

Tim Jamison

 

 

 

 

 

7

LB

David Harris

Dhani Jones

Prescott Burgess

Shawn Crable

Larry Foote

LaMarr Woodley

Pierre Woods

5

CB

Charles Woodson

Ty Law

Marlin Jackson

Leon Hall

Morgan Trent

 

1

S

Jamar Adams

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

Special Teams

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

PK

Jay Feely

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

P

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

Michigan State

 

 

 

 

 

24

Team

 

 

 

 

 

12

Offense

 

 

 

 

 

2

QB

Drew Stanton

Brian Hoyer

 

 

1

RB

Javon Ringer

 

 

 

0

FB

----

 

 

 

 

3

WR

Devin Thomas

Derrick Mason

Muhsin Muhammad

 

2

TE

Kellen Davis

Chris Baker

 

 

2

OT

Flozell Adams

Peter Clifford

 

 

0

G

----

 

 

 

 

2

C

Kyle Cook

Chris Morris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11

Defense

 

 

 

 

 

5

DT

Ogemdi Nwagbuo

Clifton Ryan

Brandon McKinney

Domata Peko

Kevin Vickerson

2

DE

Ervin Baldwin

Robaire Smith

 

 

2

LB

David Herron

Julian Peterson

 

 

0

CB

----

 

 

 

 

2

S

Eric Smith

Renaldo Hill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

Special Teams

 

 

 

 

 

0

PK

----

 

 

 

 

1

P

Brandon Fields

 

 

 

 


 

 

Notre Dame

 

 

 

 

30

Team

 

 

 

 

16

Offense

 

 

 

 

1

QB

Brady Quinn

 

 

2

RB

Ryan Grant

Julius Jones

 

0

FB

----

 

 

 

2

WR

Maurice Stovall

Arnaz Battle

 

3

TE

John Carlson

Anthony Fasano

John Owens

4

OT

Mark LeVoir

Ryan Harris

Jordan Black

Mike Gandy

0

G

----

 

 

 

4

C

John Sullivan

J.J. Jansen

Dan Santucci

Jeff Faine

 

 

 

 

 

 

12

Defense

 

 

 

 

2

DT

Trevor Laws

Derek Landri

 

4

DE

Victor Abiamiri

Justin Tuck

Bertrand Berry

Renaldo Wynn

2

LB

Corey Mays

Rocky Boiman

 

1

CB

Mike Richardson

 

 

3

S

Tom Zbikowski

Chinedum Ndukwe

David Bruton

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

Special Teams

 

 

 

 

0

PK

----

 

 

 

2

P

Hunter Smith

Craig Hentrich

 

 


 

 

Ohio State

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

37

Team

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15

Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

QB

Troy Smith

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

RB

Beanie Wells

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

FB

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8

WR

Ted Ginn Jr.

Anthony Gonzalez

Roy Hall

Santonio Holmes

Michael Jenkins

Joey Galloway

Brian Hartline

Brian Robiskie

1

TE

Ben Hartsock

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

OT

Orlando Pace

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

G

Rob Sims

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

C

Nick Mangold

Kevin Houser

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

22

Defense

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1

DT

Ryan Pickett

 

 

 

 

 

 

3

DE

Jay Richardson

Will Smith

Kenny Peterson

 

 

 

 

8

LB

Larry Grant

Vernon Gholston

Bobby Carpenter

A.J. Hawk

Matt Wilhelm

Na'il Diggs

Mike Vrabel

James Laurinaitis

7

CB

Ashton Youboty

Chris Gamble

Nate Clements

Antoine Winfield

Shawn Springs

Donald Washington

Malcolm Jenkins

3

S

Donte Whitner

Will Allen

Donnie Nickey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

Special Teams

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

PK

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0

P

----

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there you have it.  A whole mess of data about things you may or may not have been curious about.  And to think that I originally only wanted to compile the list of Michigan players in the NFL...

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The Rule That Ruined College Football

By Enjoy Life — November 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 PM — 19 comments
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Prior to 1993 (this is the date the rule was changed in the NFL, not sure if NCAA changed the same year or a few years later), if a QB was under duress and threw the ball where there were no receivers in the area, IT WAS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING. Obviously this was a judgement call but so are a lot of other penalties (holding, pass interference, etc.)

The obvious reason was to allow the defense to get the benefits of a great play.

Then, the NFL decided it was an offensive league (pun probably intended), and put in the new rule that the QB can just throw the ball away as long as they are outside the tackle box and get it past the line of scrimmage.

This rule has ruined college football.

When the defense makes a mistake, there is no rule that allows them to recover. But, now when the defense makes a great play, it is often completely negated. Instead of a 10-15 yard loss, we just forget about it and bring it back to LOS.

In Saturday's game, Pryor messed up and failed to get the ball back to the LOS. So, penalty called and a great play by the D was maintained. The D then forced a punt. Imagine on that drive what might have occurred if Pryor had merely gotten the ball past the LOS. Second and 10 not second at 24!

I hate this rule!!

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Turnover Analysis - Part 1: Is It All Just Luck?

By Enjoy Life — November 18th, 2009 at 1:08 AM — 7 comments
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A comprehensive analysis of turnovers is a bit too much to cover all at once. So, I’ve decided to break it up into a few parts. Part 1: Are Turnovers Just A Matter of Luck?

Some folks claim that turnovers are primarily a matter of luck and that teams have little or no control over turnover margin (TOM). Phil Steele is one of the most notable advocates that turnovers are primarily luck. Each year, Steele includes his “Turnovers = Turnaround” article in his College Football Preview. A couple of quotes:

“Teams that benefitted from double-digit turnovers the previous year rarely get a repeat of that good fortune.”

“Let’s take a look at some teams who had terrible luck (lots of turnovers) in one year and then drastically improved over the next year without those turnovers.”

In Part 2 of the Turnover Analysis, I’ll look at Steele’s theory about turnovers being a cause of turnarounds. But, for now, let’s just look at whether turnovers are primarily luck.

Let’s first define the term: “Luck is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by chance which happens beyond a person's control.” As applied to turnovers, this would mean they simply happen at random (i.e. chance) and a football team has no control over TOM.

Executive Summary: The gory details are below but for those in need of instant gratification here is the synopsis:

Disclaimer: There is obviously an element of luck and an element of skill involved in the sport of football. As you’ll see, the analysis is to determine the “primary” cause of turnovers. It is not attempting to conclude that turnovers are completely luck or completely skill.

Basis: All 120 FBS teams over the last 10 years (1999 through 2008); Total TOM Per Year over the last 10 years. Bowl games excluded before 2002.

LUCK IS primarily responsible for the TOM of approximately 83% of teams (100 teams).

TEAM PERFORMANCE IS primarily responsible for the TOM of approximately 17% of teams (20 teams). LUCK IS NOT primarily responsible for TOM for the teams.

Team performance could be offense (+/- turnovers lost) or defense (+/- turnovers gained).

Very good teams (14 teams or approximately 12%) influence TOM by increasing the TOM

Very poor teams (6 teams or approximately 5%) influence TOM by decreasing the TOM.

These percentages are based on the detailed analysis below but are (obviously) not exact

Here is a table of the very good teams and very poor teams with their Average TOM per year over the last 10 years and their Average WLM (Win/Loss Margin) over the same 10 years. Similar to TOM, the win/loss margin is merely games won minus games lost. For example, a team that is 7-5 has a WLM of +2 and a team that is 5-7 has a WLM of -2. I decided to use WLM because it provides data that is in the same format as TOM (i.e. net numbers).

Table Showing Very Good and Very Poor Teams in the FBS

 

 

Average TOM/Yr and Average WLM/Yr: 10 Years (1999 through 2008)

 

 

 

TOM

WLM

 

 

TOM

WLM

Team

CONF

AVG

AVG

Team

CONF

AVG

AVG

USC

PAC10

10.2

7.1

Florida Intl

SunBelt

-5.1

-5.4

Oklahoma

Big12

8.1

8.4

Utah St

WAC

-5.4

-5.0

West Virginia

BigEast

7.8

3.8

Baylor

Big12

-5.8

-4.7

Virginia Tech

ACC

7.7

7.1

Idaho

WAC

-7.9

-5.6

TCU

MW

7.4

6.0

SMU

CUSA

-8.4

-5.5

Texas

Big12

7.3

8.4

Army

Army

-10.1

-7.0

Florida

SEC

6.1

6.4

Utah

MW

5.2

4.6

Boise St

WAC

4.9

8.5

Boston College

ACC

4.7

4.8

Georgia

SEC

4.7

6.7

Michigan

Big10

4.5

4.7

Florida State

ACC

4.2

5.1

Oregon

PAC10

4.1

4.6

And, yes, that does say that USC has averaged over +10 TOM Per Year for the last 10 years (that includes one year at -19 TOM, one year at +21, and six years with double digit positive TOM).

The Gory Details – TOM Simulation

To determine if TOM was primarily due to luck, I designed a simulation to provide TOM data that was based entirely on luck. The simulation is based on rolling 2 dice. Rolling dice involves random, independent events and the results are based purely on luck. Instead of adding the numbers on the two dice (craps), the numbers are subtracted.

One die is red for TO Lost and one is green for TO Gained. Obviously, TOM = Green – Red. Thus, the maximum TOM would be +/- 5 per game which is very consistent with actual data. Also, the distribution curve of turnovers is bell shaped with the most likely value being 0 (17% Chance) and least likely being 5 (3% Chance for + and 3% chance for -). See the table below for a comparison of the simulation distribution curve versus the theoretical curve.

Actually rolling the dice enough time to get statistically meaningful data would have taken way too long and would be prone to error. So, I used an EXCEL spreadsheet to accomplish the same results. EXCEL has formulas to generate random numbers within a range. This actually works better than the dice because I could set the lower range at -0- (the fewest possible turnovers a team could experience in a game) and the higher range at +5 (the most possible turnovers a team would experience in a game).

 I created a formula to subtract one random number from a second random number which results in TOM per game. I then created a table with 12 columns (one for each game in a year) and 1200 rows (120 FBS teams over 10 years). Each time the F9 key is pressed, the random numbers and TOM are recalculated for all 120 teams over 10 years (14,400 games). I used 10 trials and took the composite of all the trials (144,000 games). The composite is based on a count of the number times each TOM occurs.

Here is a table showing all possible TOM for a game, the % that occurred in the simulation, and the theoretical % that should occur. This demonstrates the validity of the simulation.

TOM

SIM%

THRY%

5

2.7%

2.8%

4

5.6%

5.6%

3

8.3%

8.3%

2

11.0%

11.1%

1

13.8%

13.9%

0

16.7%

16.7%

(1)

14.0%

13.9%

(2)

11.1%

11.1%

(3)

8.5%

8.3%

(4)

5.5%

5.6%

(5)

2.8%

2.8%

I’ve worked with simulations involving dice before and expected some variation but, I would have to say, these results shocked me.

Simulation Results: Average for 10 Trials

120 Teams: 10 Years, 12 Games Per Year

TOM/YR

%

NO.

9+

0.1%

0

8 to 8.99

0.1%

0

7 to 7.99

0.1%

0

6 to 6.99

0.3%

0

5 to 5.99

1.5%

2

4 to 4.99

4.3%

5

3 to 3.99

7.2%

9

2 to 2.99

8.5%

10

1 to 1.99

13.7%

17

0 to .99

12.9%

16

0

1.4%

2

0 to -.99

15.2%

18

-1 to -1.99

12.5%

15

-2 to -2.99

10.0%

12

-3 to -3.99

5.7%

7

-4 to -4.99

3.5%

4

-5 to -5.99

2.3%

3

-6 to -6.99

0.3%

0

-7 to -7.99

0.1%

0

-8 to -8.99

0.2%

0

-9+

0.1%

0

 

100.0%

120

Based on these simulation results, turnovers could be explained as primarily luck even with several teams experiencing up to +/- 9 Average TOM/Year over 10 years. Note that in the simulation, approximately 90% of all FBS team’s average between approximately +/- 4 turnovers over 10 years. The detailed simulation data also shows that, by just luck, many teams could experience double-digit turnovers in multiple years.

I also ran the simulation for a span of 100 years for each team. As expected the variation was reduced significantly. Approximately 80% of all teams had an average TOM/YR of less than +/- 1.0 and 100% had an average TOM/YR of less than +/- 2.0.

Here are several examples of actual data from the simulation (all examples are from the 10 year simulation).

Example 1: Actual Data from the Simulation (Large Negative Average TOM/YR)

Game-->

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

TOM

AVG

Year 1

(2)

3

(4)

(1)

(1)

(4)

(1)

(3)

(4)

(4)

(2)

3

(20.0)

 

2

(2)

3

(1)

(4)

0

1

(2)

(1)

(3)

(2)

0

(2)

(13.0)

 

3

4

(2)

(2)

(3)

2

1

0

(2)

(2)

0

(4)

(1)

(9.0)

 

4

2

0

0

(1)

(4)

3

(2)

(3)

2

3

2

3

5.0

 

5

(3)

(2)

(4)

0

(1)

1

0

3

5

(3)

4

(1)

(1.0)

 

6

(1)

2

(2)

(1)

4

(1)

0

(2)

(4)

4

3

(2)

0.0

 

7

2

(3)

0

(3)

(2)

3

(1)

0

(3)

(4)

0

0

(11.0)

 

8

0

2

2

(1)

(4)

(3)

5

(4)

(5)

(4)

(2)

(3)

(17.0)

 

9

1

(3)

5

1

(3)

3

(1)

(1)

(2)

(3)

(4)

(2)

(9.0)

 

10

(1)

0

0

1

1

3

(5)

0

(4)

1

(3)

0

(7.0)

(8.2)

 

Example 2: Actual Data from the Simulation (Large Positive Average TOM/YR)

Game-->

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

TOM

AVG

Year 1

1

5

4

(2)

(2)

2

0

0

(2)

0

0

1

7.0

 

2

(1)

2

1

0

(1)

3

(4)

4

4

(2)

(2)

0

4.0

 

3

4

2

3

2

3

1

(3)

1

(1)

(1)

(5)

1

7.0

 

4

2

3

4

(2)

(4)

3

(1)

(4)

1

(4)

0

1

(1.0)

 

5

5

1

3

3

2

4

0

(1)

(1)

(1)

(3)

2

14.0

 

6

0

5

3

3

(1)

(3)

(3)

0

(1)

3

2

0

8.0

 

7

2

(1)

0

0

(1)

3

2

2

4

(1)

0

4

14.0

 

8

0

5

3

1

(2)

(1)

(2)

0

(2)

(2)

2

1

3.0

 

9

0

3

2

(2)

2

1

0

0

5

(1)

1

3

14.0

 

10

3

5

1

4

1

2

0

3

2

0

1

1

23.0

9.3

 

Example 3: Actual Data from the Simulation (Average TOM/YR Approximately -0-)

Game-->

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

TOM

AVG

Year 1

1

2

0

4

(5)

(2)

3

0

0

(5)

(4)

0

(6.0)

 

2

(1)

0

1

1

0

4

(2)

(1)

2

0

(2)

3

5.0

 

3

2

(4)

0

4

(3)

0

5

(1)

1

(3)

(1)

1

1.0

 

4

5

(1)

5

(3)

0

0

(3)

4

(2)

(5)

(3)

0

(3.0)

 

5

(2)

4

0

0

(2)

3

0

0

(2)

3

1

1

6.0

 

6

(3)

(2)

(3)

0

(1)

4

(3)

4

(3)

0

0

2

(5.0)

 

7

1

(3)

(1)

0

(2)

1

3

(2)

4

(1)

(1)

0

(1.0)

 

8

(4)

(3)

(1)

1

1

3

2

(5)

3

5

0

(3)

(1.0)

 

9

3

3

(1)

(4)

1

1

3

(1)

1

2

4

2

14.0

 

10

(1)

(2)

1

(3)

0

0

(2)

0

5

0

2

(3)

(3.0)

0.7

 

The Gory Details – Actual Data

So, what does the actual data show? I looked at all FBS teams from 1999 to 2008. I tracked turnover margin (TOM) and win/loss margin (WLM).

Even though the simulation indicates a relatively large variation would be expected in TOM even if only luck is involved, a significant number of teams fall outside of the expected variation. Here is a table showing all the teams with average TOM per year greater than 4.0 (sorted by TOM).

Table Showing All Teams With Average TOM/Year Greater Than 4.0 (Sorted by TOM)

 

Team

CONF

 

Avg

1999

2000

2001

2002

2003

2004

2005

2006

2007

2008

USC

PAC10

TOM

10.2

14

(19)

16

18

20

19

21

4

2

7

 

 

WLM

7.1

0

(2)

0

9

11

13

11

9

9

11

Oklahoma

Big12

TOM

8.1

(4)

6

10

19

17

4

(1)

(1)

8

23

 

 

WLM

8.4

3

12

8

10

10

11

4

8

8

10

West Virginia

BigEast

TOM

7.8

(5)

7

(8)

19

16

3

14

7

13

12

 

 

WLM

3.8

(3)

1

(5)

5

3

4

10

9

9

5

Virginia Tech

ACC

TOM

7.7

3

6

10

8

(1)

13

9

4

11

14

 

 

WLM

7.1

11

9

5

6

3

7

9

7

8

6

TCU

MW

TOM

7.4

4

10

3

15

4

4

21

7

(7)

13

 

 

WLM

6.0

3

9

1

8

9

(1)

10

9

3

9

Texas

Big12

TOM

7.3

11

8

11

17

2

5

7

9

1

2

 

 

WLM

8.4

5

7

8

9

7

10

13

7

7

11

Wake Forest

ACC

TOM

6.3

6

(9)

(3)

18

7

7

(2)

13

9

17

 

 

WLM

0.4

1

(7)

1

1

(2)

(3)

(3)

8

5

3

Florida

SEC

TOM

6.1

(6)

19

(4)

(9)

7

4

18

5

5

22

 

 

WLM

6.4

6

8

7

3

3

2

6

12

5

12

S. Mississippi

CUSA

TOM

5.6

10

0

7

(3)

5

5

14

6

(1)

13

 

 

WLM

2.5

5

3

1

1

5

2

2

4

1

1

W. Kentucky

SunBelt

TOM

5.3

 

 

 

17

10

8

3

(4)

2

1

 

 

WLM

2.3

 

 

 

9

5

6

1

1

2

(8)

Toledo

MAC

TOM

5.2

8

22

3

7

11

(2)

5

(3)

1

0

 

 

WLM

2.6

1

9

7

4

4

5

6

(2)

(2)

(6)

Utah

MW

TOM

5.2

8

(11)

1

(1)

9

15

(1)

8

11

13

 

 

WLM

4.6

5

(3)

3

(1)

8

12

2

3

5

12

Air Force

MW

TOM

5.1

(4)

7

8

9

6

1

(7)

8

10

13

 

 

WLM

1.1

1

5

0

3

2

(1)

(3)

(4)

5

3

Boise St

WAC

TOM

4.9

10

8

(8)

8

10

10

(8)

11

1

7

 

 

WLM

8.5

5

7

4

11

12

10

5

13

7

11

Boston College

ACC

TOM

4.7

2

11

3

8

3

0

(4)

15

6

3

 

 

WLM

4.8

5

1

3

5

3

6

6

7

8

4

Georgia

SEC

TOM

4.7

8

(1)

1

8

11

(2)

11

(1)

9

3

 

 

WLM

6.7

3

3

5

12

8

8

7

5

9

7

Alabama

SEC

TOM

4.7

4

(8)

4

15

1

6

8

7

4

6

 

 

WLM

2.3

8

(5)

1

7

(5)

0

7

(1)

1

10

Michigan

Big10

TOM

4.5

10

11

(4)

9

2

6

5

14

2

(10)

 

 

WLM

4.7

7

5

5

7

7

6

2

9

5

(6)

Texas A&M

Big12

TOM

4.5

4

6

3

2

(11)

9

6

9

7

10

 

 

WLM

1.0

5

3

3

0

(4)

2

(1)

5

1

(4)

Florida State

ACC

TOM

4.2

8

10

4

11

8

7

(4)

(8)

6

0

 

 

WLM

5.1

11

10

3

4

7

6

3

1

1

5

Oregon

PAC10

TOM

4.1

9

3

14

5

(5)

(2)

13

(10)

9

5

 

 

WLM

4.6

6

7

9

1

3

(1)

8

1

5

7

 This table includes 21 teams. However, as the simulation indicates, approximately 7 teams should have TOM greater than 4 if luck is primarily responsible. So, 7 of these teams needed to be eliminated. I decided to use low WLM as the criteria to eliminate teams. Teams that are eliminated and their WLM are: Wake Forest (0.4), Texas A&M (1.00), Air Force (1.1), Alabama (2.3), Western Kentucky (2.3), Toledo (2.6), and S. Mississippi (2.5). That leaves the 14 teams in the summary table included above in the Executive Summary.

Here is a table showing all the teams with average TOM per year less than negative 4.0 (sorted by TOM).

Table Showing All Teams With Average TOM/Year Less Than Negative 4.0 (Sorted by TOM)

Team

CONF

 

Avg

1999

2000

2001

2002

2003

2004

2005

2006

2007

2008

Kent State

MAC

TOM

(4.2)

(11)

(2)

3

(16)

7

(1)

(11)

3

(11)

(3)

 

 

WLM

(4.5)

(7)

(9)

(1)

(6)

(2)

(1)

(9)

0

(6)

(4)

Wyoming

MW

TOM

(4.6)

2

(9)

(3)

(2)

10

6

(12)

(4)

(12)

(22)

 

 

WLM

(3.2)

3

(9)

(7)

(8)

(4)

2

(3)

0

(2)

(4)

Illinois

Big10

TOM

(5.0)

13

(2)

5

(8)

(18)

(6)

(11)

(15)

(2)

(6)

 

 

WLM

(1.8)

3

(1)

9

(2)

(10)

(5)

(7)

(8)

5

(2)

Florida Intl

SunBelt

TOM

(5.1)

 

 

 

2

(5)

(6)

(8)

(9)

(14)

4

 

 

WLM

(5.4)

 

 

 

(1)

(8)

(4)

(1)

(12)

(10)

(2)

Utah St

WAC

TOM

(5.4)

(11)

(2)

(13)

(11)

(4)

(6)

(2)

(6)

2

(1)

 

 

WLM

(5.0)

(3)

(1)

(3)

(3)

(6)

(5)

(5)

(10)

(8)

(6)

Rutgers

BigEast

TOM

(5.7)

(5)

(7)

(22)

(13)

(6)

(7)

(3)

11

(6)

1

 

 

WLM

(1.9)

(9)

(5)

(7)

(10)

(2)

(3)

2

9

3

3

Baylor

Big12

TOM

(5.8)

(5)

(9)

(3)

(17)

(5)

(15)

5

(7)

(18)

16

 

 

WLM

(4.7)

(9)

(1)

(5)

(6)

(6)

(5)

(1)

(4)

(6)

(4)

Washington St

PAC10

TOM

(5.8)

(1)

(3)

(3)

1

(4)

(19)

(3)

(8)

(1)

(17)

 

 

WLM

(1.8)

3

9

5

1

0

(10)

(7)

(2)

(5)

(12)

New Mexico St

WAC

TOM

(6.1)

6

(5)

(5)

0

(8)

5

(23)

(10)

(15)

(6)

 

 

WLM

(3.8)

1

(5)

(2)

2

(6)

(1)

(12)

(4)

(5)

(6)

N. Carolina

ACC

TOM

(6.7)

2

(12)

(11)

(15)

(15)

(4)

(1)

(11)

(6)

6

 

 

WLM

(2.4)

(5)

1

2

(6)

(8)

0

(1)

(6)

(4)

3

Idaho

WAC

TOM

(7.9)

0

(12)

(16)

(14)

(5)

(2)

(6)

(1)

(9)

(14)

 

 

WLM

(5.6)

3

(1)

(9)

(8)

(6)

(6)

(7)

(4)

(10)

(8)

SMU

CUSA

TOM

(8.4)

(4)

(13)

(7)

(12)

(13)

(19)

5

1

(9)

(13)

 

 

WLM

(5.5)

(2)

(6)

(3)

(6)

(12)

(5)

(1)

0

(10)

(10)

Army

 

TOM

(10.1)

(4)

(6)

(16)

(14)

(20)

3

(2)

(18)

(10)

(14)

 

 

WLM

(7.0)

(5)

(9)

(5)

(10)

(13)

(7)

(3)

(6)

(6)

(6)

This table includes 13 teams. However, as the simulation indicates, approximately 7 teams should have TOM less than negative 4 if luck is primarily responsible. So, 7 of these teams needed to be eliminated. I used high WLM as the criteria to eliminate teams. Teams that are eliminated and their WLM are: Illinois (-1.8), Washington St (-1.8), Rutgers (-1.9), N. Carolina (-2.4), Wyoming (-3.2), New Mexico State (-3.8), and Kent State (-4.5). That leaves the 6 teams in the summary table included above in the Executive Summary.

In Part 2 of the Turnover Analysis, I’ll look at Steele’s theory about turnovers being a significant cause of turnarounds. I’ll also discuss why turnovers are (or aren’t?) important.
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