and... i like them? I think I like them.
So... Forcier. I like him. I, along with many of my fellow MGoBloggers, was at the game Saturday. Tate was quite good.
Now then, don't start negging me yet, I'm asking this as a legitimate question. Yes, the second article lists Forcier first or second 3 out of 4 times so that's pretty nice*, and yes, the first article didn't say anything directly bad about them... but you still have to wonder about this.
Tate was groomed, as we all know, to be a QB. He had a personal QB coach, he was home schooled, his family is a family of QBs. Tate sort of went into the family business. We're all pretty aware of Forcier=accuracy.
But where do we (i.e. where does Tate) go from here?
I do think that Tate can get a little bit faster. And I do think that his arm is currently underrated (he can definitely throw further than 35 yards with accuracy). But he's not going to get much faster (Tate speed!=Denard speed) nor do I think he'll be able to throw a 90 bomb (Tate arm!=Peyton arm).
So, what's left is a little bit of speed, some arm, some better decision making (although he's already doing better than most), and a few pounds.
I'm not trying to complain, I think the kid did great and has ice in his veins. And maybe I'm still just pessimistic from last season and am looking for things to be "down" on. Do we even need Tate to improve that much more? I don't know.
I do think that we're not going to see the average jump from our QB from freshman to sophmore year. Yes, I think he'll get better. And yes, with a better, more experienced, hopefully stronger and faster (and maybe even heavier) O-line he'll be better protected. Yes, with more deep threat receivers and slot ninjas coming in Tate will have a better arsenal around him. But will Tate himself make a huge leap? I don't think so.
I mostly just mean this thread as a place to talk about Tate's potential upside. I'd be fairly satisfied with the Tate that we saw against ND for all 4 years. But, I don't know if that's quite good enough. I especially don't know if that'll be good enough to hold off Devin Gardner.
*I include the second article because I wonder if Tate would still be listed so high in a few years if all of those QBs develop as I expect them to develop. When they're seniors, who do you think most people would want, Barkley or Forcier?
I need to consult the Michigan Faithful on this one.
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Fantastic article by Chris Brown, author of smartfootball.com
He breaks down the poor offensive gameplan that Tressel put together; he then explains how Rich Rod made adjustments to counter the "scrape", in which we witnessed in Tate's beautiful 4th quarter run for a TD. Brown is absolutely correct that you must build your offense around your QB's talents; making Pryor a pro-style QB when he's clearly a spread QB is asking for trouble.
Developing a "refgate" is ND's way of illegitimating Michigan's win, which is intended to soften another uncle Charlie loss to Big Blue.
To the ND alumni, however, a loss to Michigan is a loss to Michigan, especially knowing that they blew their chance in their second to last possession when they had the lead with the opportunity to run out the clock.
[Edit: Perhaps uncle Charlie is ND's version of John Cooper. I love the smell of a 10 year winning streak in the morning.]
Obviously, Forcier was brilliant today. And he will only improve. It obviously isn't his size, or his speed. He is underwhelming in appearance. I wonder if he could make it in the NFL. But he appears to have such strong field sense, make such good judgements, never panicking, that Forcier looks to be the starter, imhe, for four years.
I am most amazed at his ability to hold the ball, scramble, approach the line of scrimmage, get the opposing secondary to bite, and then dart a pass off for a sizable completion. This happened with Hemingway last week, with Stonum this week. But two passes that stand out to me today were made to Odoms and to Koger. The Odoms pass was down near the ground, with the defender hanging on him. The pass was placed where only Odoms could complete it. The Koger pass was actually a miss, where Forcier should have passed to the inside (or Koger should have been looking to the outside.) Regardless, in these kind of situations, Forcier's presence, his calm, cool, in-control demeanor, allows a completion that brings a first down, saves Forcier from being hit, and totally demoralizes the other secondary.
Even though Forcier isn't the burner that DR is, his foot speed seems puts him in a different class then Griese, Brady, Navarre, et. al.
Speaking of foot speed, however, brings DR to mind. I think that DR will need to continue to play as a QB. I think that he is extremely talented. But, I have severe doubts that DR could close out a game as well as Forcier. I am not going to go searching through Forum threads. However, iirc, there have been some in the last few weeks who have said that DR or Gardner are "the man." As gifted as they are, I just don't see that happening. I don't see them supplanting and replacing Forcier, with all three at full health. The only way either DR or DG will start is if Forcier goes down with an injury
First of all, somehow I doubt that I'm going to be getting many contrary opinions to the title of this post. That said, I do have reason to post this, namely that ESPN has decided to give equal hype to Matt Barkley after his performance against OSU.
This is stupid. I'll grant that OSU has a superior defense to USC and OSU is a big test for a freshman's first road game but seriously:
Barkley: 15/31, 195 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 7 Rush ATT, 8 YDS
Forcier: 23/33, 240 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 13 Rush ATT, 70 YDS
The only thing that makes them remotely comparable is their game-winning drives (although Forcier faced more defensive pressure, with a lot less time).
Also, Forcier did this missing his top receiver for the whole game, and his third receiver for part of the game. Barkley racked up yards by passing to Williams downfield and McKnight on a screen.
Note: Reading over this, I realize I'm probably overreacting to Sportscenter's tendency to give unwarranted credit to anyone halfway decent. ESPN is annoying.