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So let's assume that Brandon has gone into full CYA mode and the administration has finally had enough of the Hoke regime's incompetence. Assuming that Michigan wanted to give him his walking papers on Monday, how would the logistics even work? It's obvious after the Morris situation that Hoke is done, but will Michigan's culture prevent a Kiffin-ing / Weis-ing of Hoke?
I'm assuming Hoke would be notified first, then his staff, the AD, and the players. But if there's no interim replacement waiting in the wings, can you realistically announce to the public that he's out? You don't want a power vacuum to develop in the absence of leadership, although if the reports of offense v. defense in the locker room are true, it already seems like there's borderline anarchy in the first place.
Do you start negotiating with other college coaches / NFL assistants behind the scenes while the interim guy does his thing? And what role do the Regents play? Are they really going to let Dave Brandon torpedo another coaching search? Even if he does find a top-tier candidate, what elite coach is going to want Brandon in the film room with him looking over his shoulder?
Basically, I'm confused on how the timing of a Monday dismissal would work. Personally, I think it should happen regardless of the logistics, but I was wondering if anyone closer to the program than I could provide any insight on how it would actually go down.
Edit: I think there's some misunderstanding here. This is just a thread to discuss whether or not Funk should be fired with a slant towards 'no.' It is a reaction to the calls for his firing in sUTL threads.
A summary of the debate to date (subject to edit)
Point: O-line is young.
Counterpoint: They're not as young.
Point: Borges effed this joint up. Compounding youth, unnecessary (and ineffective) complexity stifled learning.
Counterpoint: Can't blame everything on Al. What if we're mistaking the the root of the problem--maybe Al was trying to gameplan around Funk's deficiencies.
Point: He knows what he's doing.
Counterpoint: He doesn't know what he's doing.
-Ed: I don't know what I'm doing.
Point: You've got to look at this stuff in context. Blaming Funk for the poor state of the O-line is like forcing someone into a cage and accusing them of misbehaving when they throw something at you.
Counterpoint: We must judge him based on performance.
Calling all Experts
Magnus. Space Coyote. Other experts.
I wanted another year for Rich Rod. But I kinda think that Rosenberg--god bless his annoying behind--nailed it on the Hoke hire: Brandon wanted Hoke all along, performed the necessary genuflections to Harbaugh and Miles, then got on with business, increasingly pleased. . . as the feedback came in. . . that he was doing the right thing.
A lot of what we saw, or thought we saw, was Kabuki theater.
In assessing RichRod's future, Brandon also had to consider what would happen if he succeeded. There were pretty good odds he WOULD win nine games last year. But what then? Would the atmosphere remain poisonous? Was the situation, behind the scenes, beyond redemption?
I disagree with Brandon's decision to fire Rodriguez, and I am very much with Brian when he says that the Hoke hire could have been made next year. But given the odds for Rodriguez's SUCCESS, I think Brandon may have decided he needed to pull the trigger now.
Meanwhile, I am more and more happy with the Hoke hire, and I hope that Brian comes around, too. Because he risks--as I said in another post--harming all he has worked so hard to build here. That doesn't mean not continuing to tell the truth as he sees it. But it does mean tempering the bitterest--sometimes brilliant--snark and giving the new guy a chance. The fact that players adore Hoke, that he's intent on their well-being, is huge for me. Success may not be immediate, but if Brandon is willing to outfit him with the best coordinators, a guy who manages the program well may be of pre-eminent importance at a big complicated place like Michigan.
Finally, Tate. Isn't there a chance he fits better in the new offense than Denard does? Or at least that he gets a chance to compete for the job? I would love to see both he and Denard in at QB sometimes next year. And as long as Hoke is willing to have an adventurous offense, I will be happy. It's the prospect that, like inbred children, we would retreat to deadly conservative playcalling as the rest of the world flowered into ten million variations on the spread that has scared me most.
Somebody cue up some video of San Diego's o and d, analysis of the coordinators Hoke's bringing with him. We've got work to do.
Al Groh has been fired by Virginia, as expected. I don't want to pretend to know more than I actually do (reading uninformed opinion pieces about RR has taught me this), but the way I saw it was that each year would start off weak, and then Groh would get his team to start caring. 2007 started with a 3-23 loss at Wyoming, a pretty mediocre team. But then they pulled off 7 straight wins, lost to NC State by 5, won 2 more including a 48-0 shellacking of Miami at the last game in the Orange Bowl, eventually finishing 9-4. It seems like he would slack off in the beginning of each season and then start coaching once his seat heated up a bit and then start pulling out the wins, but he just couldn't finish the past 2 years. He wasn't a miserable recruiter, usually getting at least one Rivals100 guy a year. He was just a shitty coach.
What do you all think about Al Groh as well as all the other coaches getting fired or being put on the hot seat at the end of this season (i.e. Hawkins, Kragthorpe, Richt?, etc.)? Have they been given a fair amount of time, are their teams undermanned, or do they just suck? MGoDiscuss.
...and we've been losing. So why are we losing? Many people insinuate that coaching is the reason we are losing, and so we should entertain the idea of firing RR. But these people fail to realize that our personnel is not capable of being a great team yet. Usually this can also be blamed on the head coach for not recruiting the right personnel and then developing them into good players, but in only his second year, RR cannot be blamed for not having the right personnel. Coaching does influence execution, but in the end it is the players who have to make plays to win games. The coach cannot be blamed every time a freshman doesn't execute the way he should.
We have 89 underclassmen on the roster, which means we have to execute flawlessly in order to beat good teams. In 2 years, we will have 89 upperclassmen on the roster, and we won't have to execute flawlessly to win, but we will execute better because we'll have more experience. Until then, be patient my friends, because RR is building the type of program that will be to compete with the best teams in the nation (unlike the rest of the Big 10).
Are we not better than this? Complaining and finger pointing? Mobs, torches and pitchforks? Is this the definition of a Michigan Man?
My apologies for invoking the “Michigan Man”, but honestly doesn’t this program, this team deserve a little more from us? As a fan base we’ve been spoiled. Think about the streaks that just ended. No, this time take a breath, sit back and really think about it. Now compare that to any other program in the nation. Now again I ask you, wouldn’t a little support be warranted here?
Look I’m as frustrated a fan as anyone else after last season and so far this season. And I know the easy thing is to complain and shake your fist in anger, but is that leadership? I think not. A good leader motivates. A good leader inspires. A good leader sees what is in front of him and gets more. As a fan how exactly do we lead by complaining or booing or carrying pitchforks and torches to stadium and main?
Personally, I saw some good things yesterday. I saw a young QB throw with confidence for the first time all season. He had zip on the ball. Perfect? No. Better. Yes. I also saw the maturation of a RB. Maturing into someone who can lead with his actions on the field. Sound like the character of someone else in the same position we know and love? I saw a special teams touchdown, a punt return to be exact. I saw our 111th ranked offense score 35 points. Did you think that would have been possible two weeks ago? I’ve seen a defense week in and week out with its back against the wall, tired and battered play their hearts out.
Leadership is defined as the capacity or ability to give guidance and direction. We as fans can’t make the big locker room speech to lead the team. We can’t fire up the huddle to lead the team. We can’t throw or reel in the big pass to lead the team. We can’t come up with the key sack to lead the team. What we can do is raise our voices to lead the team. For me, I’d rather do my best to direct this team in the right direction. We demand the best out of the team, shouldn't we atleast give them our best.
I’m going to do my best to lead, like a Michigan Man should.