i like 'em both
Now, onto the title. As far as I can tell, every person on this blog (including me) expects that Denard will play this year, with most assuming a Percy Harvin type role except that he would also pass from time to time. Some brave souls ("Denard is fast!") project him as giving Tate full competition as the starter (for the record, I don't think that will happen).
But is there a chance he would redshirt? I think there is a chance, based on the following:
1- Denard = raw
2- Remember that many schools did not recruit him as a QB, including spread offense schools-see #1 above.
3- Tate by all accounts and based upon limited video, is far more polished a QB and has far more command currently of the offense. That is a serious head start on PT.
4- We have one year of Jason Forcier to utilize. While there is no future for Jason, and I don't claim he will challenge to start, there is every reason to believe that he can be at minimum, competent in a backup role if needed.
5- Is it possible that Sherideath can be competent (nothing more) this year? I think that is quite possible.
So, putting these assumptions together, what we have is one promising Freshman QB (Tate) that is likely to start, two veteran QB's that can be competent, and one raw freshman (Denard) that needs much work on throwing motion and other fundamentals.
What this spells to me is a QB situation that is FAR above where we were last year. If we have three QB's that can be competent, that beats the zero we had last year by approximately 3-0. So following this logic, would Rodriguez then conclude that a Denard Robinson, with a redshirt year of practice under his belt, is A-far more likely to be a factor next year and in future, and B- not needed at QB due to the assumptions above? Oh, and a reminder: Pat White redshirted.
This is not necessarily the future I am predicting, but I think it is a future that is possible. What do you think?
I was recently discussing/prognosticating about U-M's upcoming season with some friends, and a frightening scenario came up in conversation, a scenario that i think we all need to be prepared for.
M goes 6-6/7-5 with Tate playing most of the year and Denard seeing snaps here and there; but Tate does not really impress and is mostly just adequate while he relies on the running game. M loses to OSU, ND, and MSU, amongst other foes.
In this case will we see a wide open QB race next fall/spring with Gardner/Forcier being the main players? What would it take for Tate to crush doubt about him being the starter in 2010?
I am merely trying to keep Mgoblog active and in check. Cautious optimism is great; but we also have to be prepared for suckage, just in case.
Looking at the UM football roster for 2009, there's always some doubling up of jersey numbers. For example, QB Tate Forcier wears No. 5 on offense and DB Vlad Emilien wears No. 5 on defense.
These are the available "quarterback jersey numbers" available to incoming freshman QB Denard Robinson:
(Personally I'd love to see a QB wear this number, but I know this is a sore subject for many fellow UM fans because of the Braylon Edwards scholarship and short-term memory issues.)
Donovan Warren wears No. 6 on defense. That leaves an offensive player with an opportunity to wear it.
Steven Threet left. This number appears to be available for an offensive and defensive player in 2009.
Of course, Morgan Trent graduated. Number appears to be available for an offensive and defensive player in 2009.
Zac Combs has it for FS position. Leaves open opportunity for an offensive player. If Mr. Jason Forcier comes back, maybe he'd like it back?
Personally I'd love to see Denard wear No. 1.
But I believe it will be No. 10 or No. 6.
In many of the exchanges about the extent to which Tate will see action this year (barring injury) vs. Denard or some version of Tatenard Robier, posters have, usually when advocating for Tate more or less exclusively, included qualifiers on the order of, "of course, he'll make freshman mistakes, but…"
So, a two-parter:
1. What sorts of freshman mistakes do you see Tate (or Denard for that matter) being especially prone to?
and, perhaps more interestingly:
2. Which freshman mistakes are mitigated by the Spread n' Shred and which are accentuated, by which I mean both "made less/more likely to happen" and "resulting in less serious/more serious damage"?
1. The obvious one, for either of them really, is to try to make too much out of a busted play, resulting either in a 15-yard sack or an ill-advised heave across the body to the center of the field, when eating it for a 5-yard loss would have been the better part of valor.
2. I'm less sure of this, but it seems to me that the SnS relies more on pre-snap reads and quick ball distribution to a primary target, thereby reducing the likelihood that a green QB will progress faultily through post-snap reads and miss a free safety or a middle linebacker or something. Therefore, there ought to be fewer "freshman mistakes" of that sort than there would be in some version of a pro-style offense. OTOH, the reading of the backside DE can cause problems.
I would love to get the MGoCoaches' perspectives on this especially. Bonus points for people who have reliable memories of, say, Pat White's or Colt McCoy's freshman year (did he play his freshman year?).
Denard Robinson spent some quality time with fans in the concourse below the press box. Signing autographs, posing for pics, etc. Nice kid. Killer dreads.
Why do people think Denard Robinson will win over Tate/Threet? Denard may be a good quarterback, but hes highlighted as an ATHLETE. His arm probably isn't as good as Tates. Denard may be a GREAT runner with an OK arm. Tate is a GOOD passer and a GOOD runner. Denard is an athletic quarterback. Tates a quarterback who happens to be athletic, theres a difference.
From what I believe, because not everyone stays in the position they are recruited at (Justin Feagin). I believe Denard Robinson will be that offensive player who plays all over. He will play QB, HB, Slot, etc. He'll be our Percy Harvin. I'm not COMPARING him to Percy Harvin, but he'll probably end up in that same kind of role.