BC guys evaluate Bates's tenure positively.
I was recently discussing/prognosticating about U-M's upcoming season with some friends, and a frightening scenario came up in conversation, a scenario that i think we all need to be prepared for.
M goes 6-6/7-5 with Tate playing most of the year and Denard seeing snaps here and there; but Tate does not really impress and is mostly just adequate while he relies on the running game. M loses to OSU, ND, and MSU, amongst other foes.
In this case will we see a wide open QB race next fall/spring with Gardner/Forcier being the main players? What would it take for Tate to crush doubt about him being the starter in 2010?
I am merely trying to keep Mgoblog active and in check. Cautious optimism is great; but we also have to be prepared for suckage, just in case.
Looking at the UM football roster for 2009, there's always some doubling up of jersey numbers. For example, QB Tate Forcier wears No. 5 on offense and DB Vlad Emilien wears No. 5 on defense.
These are the available "quarterback jersey numbers" available to incoming freshman QB Denard Robinson:
(Personally I'd love to see a QB wear this number, but I know this is a sore subject for many fellow UM fans because of the Braylon Edwards scholarship and short-term memory issues.)
Donovan Warren wears No. 6 on defense. That leaves an offensive player with an opportunity to wear it.
Steven Threet left. This number appears to be available for an offensive and defensive player in 2009.
Of course, Morgan Trent graduated. Number appears to be available for an offensive and defensive player in 2009.
Zac Combs has it for FS position. Leaves open opportunity for an offensive player. If Mr. Jason Forcier comes back, maybe he'd like it back?
Personally I'd love to see Denard wear No. 1.
But I believe it will be No. 10 or No. 6.
In many of the exchanges about the extent to which Tate will see action this year (barring injury) vs. Denard or some version of Tatenard Robier, posters have, usually when advocating for Tate more or less exclusively, included qualifiers on the order of, "of course, he'll make freshman mistakes, but…"
So, a two-parter:
1. What sorts of freshman mistakes do you see Tate (or Denard for that matter) being especially prone to?
and, perhaps more interestingly:
2. Which freshman mistakes are mitigated by the Spread n' Shred and which are accentuated, by which I mean both "made less/more likely to happen" and "resulting in less serious/more serious damage"?
1. The obvious one, for either of them really, is to try to make too much out of a busted play, resulting either in a 15-yard sack or an ill-advised heave across the body to the center of the field, when eating it for a 5-yard loss would have been the better part of valor.
2. I'm less sure of this, but it seems to me that the SnS relies more on pre-snap reads and quick ball distribution to a primary target, thereby reducing the likelihood that a green QB will progress faultily through post-snap reads and miss a free safety or a middle linebacker or something. Therefore, there ought to be fewer "freshman mistakes" of that sort than there would be in some version of a pro-style offense. OTOH, the reading of the backside DE can cause problems.
I would love to get the MGoCoaches' perspectives on this especially. Bonus points for people who have reliable memories of, say, Pat White's or Colt McCoy's freshman year (did he play his freshman year?).
Denard Robinson spent some quality time with fans in the concourse below the press box. Signing autographs, posing for pics, etc. Nice kid. Killer dreads.
Why do people think Denard Robinson will win over Tate/Threet? Denard may be a good quarterback, but hes highlighted as an ATHLETE. His arm probably isn't as good as Tates. Denard may be a GREAT runner with an OK arm. Tate is a GOOD passer and a GOOD runner. Denard is an athletic quarterback. Tates a quarterback who happens to be athletic, theres a difference.
From what I believe, because not everyone stays in the position they are recruited at (Justin Feagin). I believe Denard Robinson will be that offensive player who plays all over. He will play QB, HB, Slot, etc. He'll be our Percy Harvin. I'm not COMPARING him to Percy Harvin, but he'll probably end up in that same kind of role.
After Shavodrick Beaver decommitted back on December 19, I posted this:
Several people began (or continued) to hate me, because I was suggesting that Shavodrick Beaver would have been our third string QB in 2009 and might not have seen significant playing time until 2013. Many angry things were said, even though my message was that we should stay calm and there was plenty of time to find another QB.
Now that Signing Day has come and gone and we have signed a second capable QB for 2009 (Denard Robinson), how does everyone feel about the differences between Beaver and Robinson?
Beaver was the #8 dual-threat QB and Robinson is the #12 athlete in the country, according to Rivals. I think Beaver was slightly more polished than Robinson, but Robinson has a chance to be an electrifying player at quarterback. Perhaps an even bigger plus for Robinson is that he has the ability to switch positions (to corner or receiver) if the quarterback thing doesn't work out. This makes Robinson an even more valuable pickup, in my opinion.
*Obviously just a guess.