...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
So I was busy last night and missed checking this board. When I checked in this morning, I read through maybe the 16th thread about whether Tate or Denard is going to be a better Quarterback. Followed by the 20th thread or so debating the burning issue of who is fastest between the two. And another positing the simply ludicrous notion that "Tate isn't getting his props," when a main feature of this board is unbridled enthusiasm for Tate and his prospects. Oh, and the lack of "props" is apparently based upon the notion that we underestimate how fucking fast Tate is. Out of approx. 85 replies I saw only a couple debating the relevance of the entire premise.
Several of the above were started by the same posters, one of whom is apparently A-obsessed with the importance of speed at QB, B- a stone loon, or C- a troll, or of course D- all of these.
My faith in our community has been shaken. This board, alone among the boards I frequent regarding sports and M sports, has been a beacon of wit, intelligence and informed commentary. Of course there are exceptions. Certainly a sporadic debate about minor things is ok. But WTF? This board is the only board I actually enjoy reading. MLive and the Freep are full to the brim of fools and uninformed, raucous name calling. Et tu, mgoblog?
We don't give a fuck about whether Tate or Denard is fastest because for a QB it simply does not matter.
Anyone who says they know which of these two freshman will be better does not know what they are talking about.
While not entirely predictive of success, there is more than enough evidence to validate that, on balance, recruiting ratings matter.
New posters should be required to audit the board for 2 months before posting (emotional response based on the above)
Or perhaps I'm wrong, in which case you will say so.
EDIT: I Love Brian, Tom VH and guests. I also enjoy reading many of the regular posters. My post was concerned with the quality of posts, and maintaining what I think are the differences between mgoblog and mlive etc. that make this site so enjoyable, FWIW.
Dear Young Man,
You were the means to my first UM football game. Though the Event was very important to me, some friends and I were a little behind schedule. I distinctly remember marveling at how the stadium could hold my entire hometown. And my, the freedom of being around so many unattractive women. How carefree and joyful it was!
In our exchange, there was no need for names. I approached you somewhere on the way to the stadium. My friends had tread this path before and did not feel my apprehension. The remotely illicit nature of our transaction made Michigan's ovular stadium seem an ill-fit for this square peg, but things began anyway. Both your baseball cap and your introduction to puberty appeared new. You found humor in my mammoth beard and ridiculous glasses, but were polite enough to try and conceal it. Thank you for that, by the way.
I do not recall the agreed price for the tickets. I don't remember how much money I brought with me to see the game. But I do remember, after we were swept in a crowd of women who worried their purses were too big to comply with stadium rules, that I recounted my money.
"Jeff Smoker smokes crack!" said the black guy selling t-shirts just outside the stadium.
I had an extra twenty and was missing a George Washington. I shorted you 19 bucks, kid. I turned and looked for you. When I told my friends, they did the same. You were nowhere to be seen and the Brown Jug beckoned.
Yes, it is many years after the fact. And, to be honest, I don't wake up in cold sweats thinking about it. But during long drives, or when I get together with friends who rib and remind me about it, I feel bad. You were not had, child. I am just a clumsy idiot. Please forgive me for the mistake.
this is in regards to the overuse of humor, in most cases bad attempts at humor by too many of the typical blog crowd. IMO instead of thoughtful insight on the performance of our maize and blue athletes it has become either drug and alcohol induced one liners that serve no purpose other than a pulpit to show just how much more you know or don't care about each and every subject.
"I type, therefore I can". this is the attitude displayed over and over and it has gotten to the point where the true purpose of a sports blog,sharing opinions and insight, no matter how feeble, misinformed,or just out and out wrong, they may be, has been put aside in favor of snide,mean,smart-ass remarks. it at most times shows a lynch mob, pile on mentality.
some of us would like to be able to find the info and opinions without sorting through this crap that has become the norm on this blog and most others like it.
the response to this will no doubt be more of the same and I'll be taking my share of "u dont like it, don't read it," but I'm sure that eventually Brian will see that the sharing of info, insight and opinion far outweighs the overuse of one-liners and insults.
the constant one-line putdowns of those of us who have the balls to voice an opinion serve no purpose other than waste the time of contributors and send them elsewhere. to disagree is expected in a forum like this but at least have the balls to give give your own spin on things and not depend on overused smartass,snide and I'm smarter than u remarks.
When it is all said and done, there will be some public apologies handed out to Rich Rodriguez and his staff. Woe to the man who brings change! This has been the saying echoing through the eons of human existence. And last year, the University of Michigan Football program literally began a cycle of change that created a great upheaval. Perhaps one of the greatest the school has ever known, at least for many of its fans that is. To the Michigan fan, they know about the stadium renovations and the new offense. To the non Michigan fan they love to stoke the coals of a miserable season. Or to put it another more simple way, they just love to see Michigan fail. And for some people the emotional investment begins and ends with bragging rights, and not the process it took to earn those bragging rights. From the transferring of players, coaching changes, injuries, weight room time, bad officiating and so on the list of things facing a new coach is endless. And then when you silent the angry seething madness of fans they just want and expect more. Where does it end? Give Rich Rodriguez credit for taking the job because I am sure some coaches turned it down. Because to be the new guy at a storied school like Michigan, should it go bad, could mean the end of your head coaching career.
Building a community is a tough thing to do. You have to get people to build it and want to keep giving back to it while embracing the larger community at the same time. And this is tough to accomplish from a sales perspective if your community is not going so well. When you bring about change into an established community it is even more difficult. And at the University of Michigan last year the football fans showed a big time reason why this is. They were angry at the losses and confused as to what happened. The community was crumbling; opposing teams heckled and threw verbal elbows. The Michigan fan was surrounded it seemed and its old Big House was no place to hide.
Not to fear though Michigan fan, your coach did not exactly do too shabby in recruiting. He landed a 4 star QB in Tate Forcier and really accomplished something herculean. He kept a 5 star recruit in state in big time William Campbell. All in all a class of nine 4 and 5 star recruits after a season of low output. And it was also a season where kids committed, decommited and recommitted at record paces. The rocky waters navigated, the Michigan hater must now look on and wonder if Michigan Football is Bullet Tooth Tony from the movie Snatch. Through the rough transition Michigan found new legs and new life.
I for one know the struggles this team must embrace this coming year. And I hope that they do. It will be another year of forging an identity in the face of not being the great Michigan of old. But in the struggle to get there boys, you are becoming. I hope we as fans remember that as well.
See yah at the Spring Game,
So here I am watching Pittsburgh play Xavier last night, and I am wondering about the talent I am seeing on the floor. Each position looks very skilled, and I am comparing them in my mind to Novak and Douglass and Lee and Merritt. It seems like no comparison, but Michigan came very close to playing in the Sweet Sixteen, so I ask myself: "Self, is Beilein great, am I underestimating our guys or what?" Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Novak and Douglass and Lee - love those guys who play their hearts out and play smart. I had no skills but played hard and therefore didn't suck at times.
So, what am I looking at (pulled only guys with double digit MINS per game)?
NOTE: Sorry about the readability issue. It looked much better as I laid it out.
NAME PTS RBD AST TO BLK STL MINS
S. Young 18.9 6.2 1.1 2.4 0.8 1.0 31.7
D. Blair 15.6 12.4 1.2 1.2 1.0 1.5 27.1
L. Fields 10.7 2.5 7.5 2.0 0.1 0.8 32.2
J. Dixon 8.5 2.6 2.0 1.0 0.7 1.4 24.7
T. Biggs 6.6 4.3 0.7 1.0 0.5 0.4 24.0
B. Wanamaker 5.8 3.3 2.1 1.7 0.2 0.8 18.7
G. Brown 5.3 3.2 1.3 1.1 0.3 0.5 19.4
NAME PTS RBD AST TO BLK STL MINS
B. Raymond 14.1 4.1 1.4 1.6 0.3 0.5 30.3
D. Brown 13.7 6.1 1.9 1.7 0.9 0.7 29.5
C. Anderson 9.9 5.5 2.5 2.3 0.5 0.7 27.2
J. Love 6.7 5.9 0.5 1.3 1.2 0.4 21.7
D. Jackson 6.6 3.5 2.7 2.0 0.1 1.3 27.1
T. Holloway 5.5 2.0 2.2 1.9 0.1 0.7 21.5
K. Frease 5.4 3.7 0.8 1.7 1.3 0.3 14.6
B. Redford 5.1 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.1 0.3 12.8
J. McLean 4.4 4.4 0.7 1.1 0.7 0.4 14.6
Who are these guys that make up two very good teams and what does it say about Michigan basketball (if anything)?
Their star rankings and year...
NAME STAR YEAR
S. Young **** SR
D. Blair **** SO
L. Fields **** SR
J. Dixon JR
T. Biggs **** SR
B. Wanamaker **** SO
G. Brown **** SO
NAME STAR YEAR
B. Raymond *** SR (2005 commit)
D. Brown *** SR (2005 commit)
C. Anderson JR
J. Love *** JR
D. Jackson **** SO
T. Holloway **** FR
K. Frease **** FR
B. Redford *** FR
J. McLean *** SO
I put the "2005 commit" next to Raymond and Brown because they are showing more eligibility, so I assume redshirts, but something ain't right in the database.
Anyway, there is a lack of five stars - although Pitt is loaded with four stars - and clearly leadership from the 2005 guys. As a formula, it would suggest that Beilein can make serious hay with a steady stream of seniors and maybe a four star guy in every class. Both those things are very likely to happen, as Michigan will clearly go in a different direction than Ohio State...
"The 7-foot freshman [Mullens] announced Thursday he would declare himself available for the NBA draft, the fifth Buckeye's player in the last three seasons to leave after playing one year."
I think the upside for Beilein is scary.
I have seen comments on several sites about this and I just want to point out that losing the star of last years Michigan v. Penn State game is not great but this should hopefully be a Non-issue. This is assuming that the injury is a broken leg, not something major and the medical staff is being extra cautious.
Postives on this...
- Tate will get even more time with the 1st team and should get extra snaps in the short spring practice season.
- This should solidify that the race to be the opening game starter is wide open.
- Creates some options to re-evaluate the experiments at the QB position that include: Carlos Brown and Justin Feagin.
- Asks the team to rally around Tate and may officially signal the start to his era as the starting QB.
- At least he was out and about, so the injury probably isn't in great need of any major surgery.
- Sheridan can use all the practice he can get.
- David Cone might be forced to throw the football with a helmet on to someone that should actually see the field in the fall.
- The urgency to get Denard Robinson on campus and practicing just became even more apparent.
- This could diminish the QB competition between our two best options for the fall.
Hopefully there is some good news from Richrod today, and that this is just precautionary.