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Some Characteristics Of Highly Rated Passing Offenses In The Big Ten: 2000-Present

By LSAClassOf2000 — March 1st, 2013 at 2:13 PM — 7 comments
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“SOME CHARACTERISTICS OF HIGHLY RATED PASSING OFFENSES IN THE BIG TEN: 2000-PRESENT”

In a companion diary to my last entry, I took a similar dive into the passing statistics of the Big Ten since 2000 to see what some of the characteristics of the highly rated passing offenses were. In an attempt to be a little more thoughtful as well, I also looked at the passing efficiency data, particularly since TD and INT percentages are part of the calculation of efficiency ratings. I like to believe that these two percentages really matter more than the average total yards in that they provide insight into what a team does with the yards they managed to accumulate. This is also the reason that the selection process for this exercise varies a little from the method employed when looking at rushing offenses.

Some high-level trivia:

  • Since 2000, a Big Ten quarterback has thrown the ball to someone else 53,905 times, and on 31,128 of those occasions, someone caught it. That’s good for a 57.7% completion percentage and 381,792 total yards.
  • When the ball was caught, teams averaged 12.27 yards per completion. When it was not, it was thrown an average of 7.08 yards.
  • For all that passing, 2,640 touchdowns were produced, or an average of 1.5 passing TDs per game. There were also 1,646 interceptions thrown, or 0.93 INTs per game.
  • The touchdown percentage of the Big Ten in that space was 4.06%. The interception percentage was 3.09%. Michigan fell slightly above the average in both cases, incidentally.
  • The cumulative passer efficiency rating of the Big Ten in this timeframe is 127.59
  • The average yards per game passing in this time turns out to be 216.69 yards
  • The cumulative winning percentage of the conference? 0.562

So, once again, I laid all this out in an egregiously large spreadsheet and then put it aside to do some actual work at work. I came back to this later and decided to pay particular attention to four factors which are considered in the efficiency statistics. In this case, I thought it would be interesting to use the following – average yards per game, touchdown percentage, interception percentage and completion percentage.

As it turns out, there were only 27 passing attacks in the group which were above average in all four areas, but here is what those teams were typically capable of doing:

  • Average completion percentage: 61.02%
  • Average interception percentage: 2.22%
  • Average touchdown percentage: 6.30%
  • Average yards per game: 248.16
  • Average passer rating: 142.65
  • Average yards per attempt: 7.68
  • Average yards per completion: 12.59

These are noticably better than the grand means in each category. Another interesting improvement is in total years for the season. For the entire sample, it was 2,669 yards, but for this statistically elite group, it was 3,102 yards. Further, the cumulative winning percentage of this group is 0.653, so having an efficient passing game gets perhaps one more win each year in the Big Ten.

I eased the restrictions a little for the next sort just to see if I could squeeze out a list of the best of the best, if you will. For the next step, I took teams from the smaller sample that were above average in at least two of the four statistics and managed to get a group of 13 teams. Their means are:

  • Average completion percentage: 62.40%
  • Average interception percentage: 1.97%
  • Average touchdown percentage: 6.65%
  • Average yards per game: 262.17
  • Average passer rating: 148.89
  • Average yards per attempt: 8.00
  • Average yards per completion: 12.82

Those teams that made the final cut under these assumptions are:

 

Year

Team

National Rank

COMP. %

Int. Pct.

TD Pct.

Avg. Yards / Game

2011

Wisconsin

2

71.04

1.52

10.37

234.29

2011

Northwestern

13

71.01

2.21

6.39

254.23

2005

Ohio St.

6

64.90

1.66

5.96

225.67

2011

Michigan St.

28

63.86

2.22

5.76

252.50

2010

Iowa

11

63.31

1.68

7.28

234.54

2007

Purdue

48

62.12

2.19

5.05

307.15

2004

Purdue

10

61.11

1.65

7.82

321.17

2005

Iowa

26

60.64

1.98

5.69

257.75

2003

Michigan

36

59.66

2.10

5.46

270.77

2012

Penn St.

59

59.65

1.10

5.26

273.58

2009

Michigan St.

17

59.34

2.84

6.62

269.38

2001

Michigan St.

8

58.59

2.82

6.76

284.91

2000

Michigan

4

58.33

1.67

8.00

225.27

 

TL;DR CONCLUSION:

Like the rushing version of this from earlier in the week, the point of this was to simply run through a short exercise on finding a potential way to discover from a large set of data which teams stood out among their peers in the conference in a specific set of statistics. I chose to go with statistics that I thought pointed towards an efficient passing attack, not necessarily the most prolific, although the two do in fact overlap somewhat. There are probably better ways to think through this, but I was working with easily available data.

It is also rather intriguing that, at least under my own assumptions in doing these two diaries, having an efficient passing attack and an effective rushing game produce the same typical bump in winning percentage, at least when looked at separately like this.

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THE LIGHTS HAVE GONE OUT

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If it hurts, it's only because I want you to start hating Bump more.

 

But go ahead, neg away.  Especially if it makes you feel better.

 

Apologies for the not-so-ambitious execution here.  For those of you following along in the depths of Twittervania, we had a little emergency around here yesterday.  Everything's cool (thanks for the concern and well wishes), but it's a miracle I put anything up.  Promise more art-like stuff next week.

Friday Fun will take a look at recruiting tomorrow... don't miss it.


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Building a Juggernaut: Part II - How Michigan compares

By Ron Utah — February 25th, 2013 at 1:23 PM — 31 comments
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Sitting at my desk and waiting for the next “Hello” post to arrive, I have been studying the recruiting success we've had since Hoke & Co's arrival and trying to figure out how excited I should be about 2013 and beyond. The goal, obviously, is to build a program that is competing for B1G and National Championships every year. But how good does our recruiting have to be in order to accomplish that?

In Part I, I took a look at how the dark lord himself managed to put together one of the most dominant runs in college football history.  Nick Saban's Alabama teams are loaded with blue chip recruits, but he also oversigns every year. To him, a scholarship is really just an offer to try out for the Crimson Tide, and kids that aren't cutting it are sent packing for whatever reason Saban can use to justify booting them (his favorite is “violating team rules”). I hope Michigan never uses the oversigning methods of the SEC, but we will have to find players that make a similar impact if we're going to compete with those programs.

 

So what does it mean to have a roster that can compete with Alabama? CHART!

These charts represent Saban's '07-'09 classes, with the bars representing the IMPACT rating. Like Hoke, Saban's first class was composed almost entirely of his predecessor's recruits. And, like Hoke, Saban's next two classes were relatively large and represented a significant improvement over his first class.

For the time period, the average Saban recruit was a 5.78 Rivals Rating. This is roughly equivalent to a low four-star recruit. And as the chart shows, the rankings do matter. Referring back to Part I, this chart compares the impact of recruits with their Rivals Rating. Briefly, a high impact is better; a “1” is a player that did not contribute during his career at 'Bama, a “2” is a minor contirbutor or role player, and a “3” is a solid starter or better. Perhaps the most important thing about the rankings is that there is a clear trend that the higher you are ranked, the less likely it is that you will end-up a non-factor (IMPACT of 1). On a percentage basis, the 5.8 players actually out-performed the 5.9 and 6.0 players, but the general trend is that the more highly-rated players are more likely to contribute.

It helps Saban that the sample size of 5.6 or lower recruits is very small. His roster is composed, almost exclusively, of very highly-rated three-star or better recruits (5.7 or better). His reputation for finding diamonds in the rough—as far as I can tell—is complete myth. His highly-rated prospects produce; his lower-rated prospects (the few that even stay in Tuscaloosa) generally do not contribute.

So how does this compare to Michigan? Chart? Chart!

 









Name Pos Ht Wt 40 Stars Rivals Rtg IMPACT
Blake Countess DB 5'10" 171 4.5 4 stars 5.8 3
Raymon Taylor ATH 5'10" 167   4 stars 5.8 3
Desmond Morgan LB 6'1" 225 4.7 3 stars 5.5 3
Brennen Beyer DE 6'4" 222 4.5 4 stars 5.8 2
Frank Clark LB 6'2" 210 4.5 3 stars 5.6 2
Thomas Rawls RB 5'10" 214   3 stars 5.6 2
Matt Wile K 6'2" 210   2 stars 5.3 2
Justice Hayes RB 5'10" 175 4.4 4 stars 5.9 1
Chris Barnett TE 6'6" 245 4.5 4 stars 5.8 1
Chris Bryant OL 6'5" 330   4 stars 5.6 1
Kellen Jones LB 6'1" 209 4.6 3 stars 5.7 1
Delonte Hollowell DB 5'8" 162 4.7 3 stars 5.7 1
Antonio Poole LB 6'2" 210   3 stars 5.7 1
Chris Rock DE 6'5" 250   3 stars 5.6 1
Greg Brown DB 5'10" 180 4.4 3 stars 5.5 1
Tamani Carter DB 6'0" 175 4.5 3 stars 5.5 1
Tony Posada OL 6'6" 315 5.4 3 stars 5.5 1
Russell Bellomy QB 6'3" 178 4.6 3 stars 5.5 1
Keith Heitzman DE 6'3" 237 4.9 3 stars 5.5 1
Jack Miller DE 6'4" 268 4.8 3 stars 5.5 1
          avg 5.62  

Michigan's 2011 class numbered 20 recruits. I would expect that classes will average 20-24 recruits under Hoke (mean of 22). This accounts for attrition, and basically divides the team into five classes: RS Freshmen, Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors. Saban, working with the same number of scholarships, averaged 27.7 recruits in his first three classes, and has averaged exactly 25 commitments per class since then. That means he's getting three extra chances at a good player every year. This is a big difference, but not insurmountable.

The 2011 Michigan class was damaged by transfers, but nothing like Saban's 2007 group. Ten (!) players from Saban's first class did not finish their careers at 'Bama. Hoke, so far, has lost six of his first class to transfers, and it appears unlikely he'll lose any more: of the remaining 14 players, 11 have played and two are front-runners for starting positions on the 2013 O-line (Jack Miller and Chris Bryant). That leaves only Antonio Poole, who was a 5.7 (highest 3-star) on Rivals and a 4-star on Scout. With Michigan loaded at LB, Poole may end-up transferring due to a lack of playing time—there's about a 50-50 chance of him contributing in some way during his career.

The 2011 Michigan class' average Rivals Rating was 5.62. Take out the kicker (Wile) and the average jumps to 5.64 ('Bama did not recruit a kicker in '07). This is a clear disadvantage compared to 'Bama's 5.70 average.

But the real bottom line is production. Saban turned 9 members of that class into contributing players, and four of those were all-stars. Will Michigan find similar success? I actually think we'll do better on average, if not at the top. Here are the guys and their projected IMPACT at the end of their careers:

  • Blake Countess - 3
  • Ramon Taylor - 3
  • Desmond Morgan - 3
  • Keith Heitzman - 3
  • Brennen Beyer - 2
  • Frank Clark - 2
  • Thomas Rawls - 2
  • Justice Hayes - 2
  • Chris Bryant - 2
  • Jack Miller - 2
  • Delonte Hollowell - 1
  • Antonio Poole - 1
  • Russell Bellomy - 1
  • Matt Wile - 3

That's 10 productive players (11 counting the kicker), four of whom I believe have a good chance of being drafted. I also believe my grading has been pretty harsh—several of those 2's could be 3's, and only one of the 3's (Heitzman) is a guy who hasn't fully proven himself. Bryant, Miller, and Beyer seem the most likely to become 3's, but Rawls, Hayes, and Clark all have game experience and are certainly not out of the running. That said, RB's usually show something early in their career if they will have an impact later in their career. 2013 is likely their last chance.

The final verdict is that this class appears poised to produce a lighter top than 'Bama's 2007 group, but a thicker middle. The group will probably be more productive on paper, but lacks the All-American types. On to class #2...

 









Name Pos Ht Wt 40 Stars Rivals Rtg IMPACT
Joe Bolden LB 6'2" 225   4 stars 5.8 2
James Ross LB 6'0" 209   4 stars 5.8 2
Dennis Norfleet RB 5'7" 170   4 stars 5.8 2
Mario Ojemudia DE 6'3" 215 4.7 3 stars 5.7 2
Devin Funchess TE 6'5" 205   3 stars 5.7 2
Ondre Pipkins DT 6'3" 325 5.2 5 stars 6.1 1
Kyle Kalis OL 6'5" 302   5 stars 6.1 1
Erik Magnuson OL 6'6" 275   4 stars 5.9 1
Jarrod Wilson DB 6'2" 190   4 stars 5.8 1
Terry Richardson DB 5'9" 160   4 stars 5.8 1
Tom Strobel DE 6'6" 245 4.8 4 stars 5.8 1
Royce Jenkins-Stone LB 6'2" 215   4 stars 5.8 1
Blake Bars OL 6'5" 275   4 stars 5.8 1
Amara Darboh WR 6'2" 190 4.4 4 stars 5.8 1
Jeremy Clark DB 6'4" 205 4.5 3 stars 5.7 1
Christopher Wormley DE 6'6" 270   3 stars 5.7 1
Matthew Godin DT 6'6" 270 5 3 stars 5.7 1
Kaleb Ringer LB 6'0" 219   3 stars 5.7 1
Ben Braden OL 6'6" 285   3 stars 5.7 1
A.J. Williams TE 6'6" 260 4.9 3 stars 5.7 1
Allen Gant DB 6'2" 210   3 stars 5.6 1
Willie Henry DT 6'2" 270   3 stars 5.6 1
Drake Johnson RB 6'1" 200   3 stars 5.6 1
Jehu Chesson WR 6'3" 182 4.5 3 stars 5.6 1
Sione Houma RB 6'0" 211 4.5 3 stars 5.5 1
          avg 5.75  

Saban's second class was epic in terms of quality and quantity—like the extended version of Return of the King—loading-up 32 recruits with an average Rivals Rating of 5.81. Hoke's second class follows the trend of his first, with 25 commitments averaging 5.75—the same difference in average rating as their first classes. 15 'Bama players from the 2008 class were contributors, and ten earned an IMPACT value of 3. All ten of those guys are in the NFL or headed there. Seven more players from Saban's group busted at 'Bama, and the rest were sent out to pasture. Will Hoke's first full class produce ten NFL-bound starters and five role players? This group requires a bit more explaining:

  • Joe Bolden - 3 – Already demonstrated ability to play at high level
  • Dennis Norfleet - 3 – Value in return game will skyrocket, but will he play much otherwise?
  • James Ross - 3 – Either Ross or Bolden will probably be a 3-year starter...maybe both
  • Devin Funchess - 3 – Best receiving TE talent at UM in recent memory
  • Mario Ojemudia - 3 – Showed flashes in 2012, IMO will pass Beyer and Clark on depth chart
  • Ondre Pipkins - 3 – Highly-touted recruit has controlled his weight and should start in 2013
  • Kyle Kalis - 3 – Beast projected to be a four-year starter
  • Erik Magnuson - 3 – Giving the highest-rated lineman the best chance to end-up a multi-year starter
  • Amara Darboh - 3 – Burned redshirt because of physical talent; either he or Chesson will likely start multiple seasons
  • Jarrod Wilson - 3 – Starting in 2013? Maybe, but almost certainly starting in 2014 and beyond
  • Blake Bars - 2 – One more lineman from this class will have to contribute
  • Royce Jenkins-Stone - 2 – RJS is a solid four-star whose biggest challenge is the loaded LB depth chart
  • Terry Richardson - 2 – 50/50 on whether or not this 5.8 recruit pans out
  • Tom Strobel - 2 – The 2012 class will need at least one more contributor on the D-line; Strobel and Wormley seem like the best candidantes
  • AJ Williams - 2 – Will probably spend career as a blocker
  • Ben Braden - 2 – Which BB will contribute? Ben Braden or Blake Bars?
  • Sione Houma - 2 – Likely a blocking FB who now must compete with Shallman.
  • Christopher Wormley - 2 – Massive recruit who may have helped this year if not for injury
  • Jehu Chesson - 2 – System change gives Chesson and Darboh the opportunity to play early
  • Jeremy Clark - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
  • Matthew Godin - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
  • Allen Gant - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
  • Willie Henry - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
  • Drake Johnson - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
  • Kaleb Ringer - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's

That's ten 3's—the same number as 'Bama—and I believe all could be successful playing on Sundays. As for the 2's, AJ Williams and Terry Richardson seem like locks to be multi-year contributors if not starters, and the rest will probably end-up splitting 50/50. That means four or five will wind-up helping the team and the rest—along with the 1's—will probably not offer much.

It's VERY important to me that no one takes this the wrong way. I am not, in any way, predicting that specific kids will end-up as busts. I use the names only because it makes the numbers real, but the truth is that my predictions are based on limited evidence and my statistical analysis. I sincerely apologize to any player or person who is offended by these projections; again, it is not personal, just my best attempt to predict recruiting success at Michigan.

The bottom line for this class is, IMO, very good. I believe that, compared to 'Bama's '08 class, we'll get similar numbers in terms of quality contributors and role players, despite having seven fewer recruits. But will this group have star power to compare with the likes of Julio Jones, Mark Barron, and Mark Ingram? I don't see a Heisman winner on this list, but Ross, Bolden, Funchess, Kalis, and Pipkins all have a very good chance at being All-B1G and first-half NFL draft choices, IMO. Time will tell if they compare to 'Bama, but the numbers are kind. The average Rivals Rating of 'Bama's ten players who earned a 3 is 5.82; Michigan's average of the players I have projected to be 3's is 5.85. Hoke's first haul lacks stars at the skill positions like Julio Jones and Mark Ingram, but it may be just as productive and yield early draft choices on the lines and at LB.

 








Name Pos Ht Wt 40 Stars Rivals Rtg
Derrick Green RB 6'0" 220 4.4 5 stars 6.1
Henry Poggi DT 6'4" 260   4 stars 6
Patrick Kugler OL 6'5" 280 5.1 4 stars 6
Shane Morris QB 6'3" 183 4.6 4 stars 6
Jourdan Lewis DB 5'10" 159 4.7 4 stars 5.9
Dymonte Thomas DB 6'2" 192 4.5 4 stars 5.9
Mike McCray LB 6'4" 230 4.6 4 stars 5.9
Kyle Bosch OL 6'5" 311 5.5 4 stars 5.9
Chris Fox OL 6'6" 297   4 stars 5.9
Jake Butt TE 6'6" 235   4 stars 5.9
Ross Douglas DB 5'10" 180 4.4 4 stars 5.8
Delano Hill DB 6'0" 198 4.4 4 stars 5.8
Taco Charlton DE 6'6" 249 4.9 4 stars 5.8
Ben Gedeon LB 6'3" 215   4 stars 5.8
David Dawson OL 6'4" 282 5.5 4 stars 5.8
Logan Tuley-Tillman OL 6'7" 307   4 stars 5.8
Wyatt Shallman RB 6'3" 245 4.7 4 stars 5.8
Channing Stribling DB 6'2" 170 4.5 3 stars 5.7
Maurice Hurst Jr. DT 6'2" 305   3 stars 5.7
Deveon Smith RB 5'11" 218   3 stars 5.7
Jaron Dukes WR 6'4" 197 4.6 3 stars 5.7
Csont'e York WR 6'3" 185   3 stars 5.7
Reon Dawson DB 6'2" 175 4.4 3 stars 5.6
Dan Samuelson OL 6'5" 275 5.3 3 stars 5.6
Khalid Hill TE 6'2" 230   3 stars 5.6
Da'Mario Jones WR 6'2" 185 4.4 3 stars 5.6
Scott Sypniewski OL 6'1" 230   2 stars 5.2
          avg 5.79

The 2013 class is, by far, the most difficult to project. Obvious is obvious—these guys have not yet seen the field as college players and all of my predictions will be based on pure speculation. But how does Hoke's third effort compare to Saban's 2009 class?

To review, Saban's '09 class was another big one—27 recruits following the 33 from '08—and was chock full of talent, producing an average Rivals Rating of 5.83 with four 5-star (6.1) players. The class delivered in a big way, with all of those 5-star players earning 3's, and three of them becoming absolute studs. Six more players from Saban's third class earned 3's (for a total of ten) and the class had all-stars Trent Richardson, Eddie Lacy, AJ McCarron, DJ Fluker, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Chance Warmack. Three more players earned 2's, giving the class 13 total contributors. Those 13 players had an average Rivals Rating of 5.9—a top 150 recruit.

Michigan's 2013 class also had 27 recruits. The average Rivals Rating for Team 134 commitments is 5.79—just .04 below 'Bama's third class. Take out of long-snapper ('Bama had no specialists in its '09 class) and the average jumps to 5.81—a ridiculously good average that is basically equivalent to a low 4-star recruit. Will Michigan's class produce ten players who earn 3 IMPACT ratings and a handful more of 2's? I believe so. Will Michigan's class produce star power similar 'Bama's '09 group? I doubt it. Saban reeled-in four 5-star (6.1) recruits, one 6.0, and seven 5.9's. Michigan had just one 6.1, but did have three 6.0's to go with six 5.9's. That means Saban's class had two more blue chip recruits, which is a significant statistical advantage in that it probably means one more all-star or high impact player. But from a total team perspective, the difference is smaller. Michigan's group should still produce a similar number of 2's and 3's on the IMPACT scale. Here is my ridiculously uninformed, way-too-early, obnoxiously long, and somewhat offensive projection for each Michigan recruit:

  • Derrick Green - 3 – Seems like a perfect fit for the system and the depth chart is shallow at RB
  • Henry Poggi - 3 – Worst-case scenario (if healthy), Poggi is Ryan Van Bergen
  • Patrick Kugler - 3 – Son-of-a-coach at a position where 2013's projected starter is a converted D-lineman
  • Shane Morris - 3 – Shane or Wilton Speight is likely to be a multi-year starter; could be #2 in 2013
  • Dymonte Thomas - 3 – If it's possible to a sleeper as a 5.9 recruit, he is; already enrolled
  • Mike McCray - 3 – Could follow Jake Ryan as the next great Michigan SAM
  • Kyle Bosch - 3 – Nasty man with college size and an early enrollee
  • Chris Fox - 3 – We are still a bit short OT's after 2013; likely multi-year starter
  • Jake Butt - 3 – Early enrollee will almost ceratinly play significant minutes in 2013
  • Taco Charlton - 3 – Will Taco be the best pure pass-rusher on the 2013 team? Already enrolled.
  • Jourdan Lewis - 2 – Not tall; great athlete but IMO a 50/50 shot at becoming starter
  • Ross Douglas - 2 – Another 50/50 player; he or Lewis probably pans out; already enrolled
  • Delano Hill - 2 – Safety is actually becoming a pretty loaded position; Hill has a 50/50 shot
  • Ben Gedeon - 2 – Like this kid's character, so he's a 3 in my heart, but LB is loaded
  • David Dawson - 2 – Great prospect, but our O-line is suddenly loaded on the interior
  • Logan Tuley-Tillman - 2 – Massive man who will benefit from his early enrollment
  • Wyatt Shallman - 2 – Probably destined for FB or DT; will probably be a great role player
  • Maurice Hurst Jr. - 2 – I believe this kid is a sleeper
  • Deveon Smith - 2 – More suited to Michigan's style than current backs
  • Jaron Dukes - 2 – Conspicuously good production in HS against good DB's
  • Khalid Hill - 2 – TE is still a thin position for Michigan; Hill will have a chance to contribute
  • Da'Mario Jones - 2 – Only the recruiting services thought this kid was a 3-star
  • Scott Sypniewski - 1 – Long snappers are long snappers
  • Csont'e York - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
  • Reon Dawson - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
  • Dan Samuelson - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
  • Channing Stribling - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate

Of the twelve players that were projected as 2's, it's likely that about half will end-up as non-factors. The other half will be some combination of 2's and 3's, and a couple of the projected 3's will end-up as 2's or busts. That leaves this class with about ten 3's, five 2's, and twelve 1's. This is roughly equivalent to what 'Bama produced from their third class in terms of IMPACT.

Conclusions

Hoke's recruits from these first three classes will probably be more productive than Saban's because the Michigan roster was in much worse shape for two reasons: 'Bama's '06 class was loaded with talent while Michigan's 2010 group was a 3-star party; and Saban inherited a roster much more suited to his style than did Hoke. So while it may seem like my projections have been generous, I do believe Michigan will crank out 3's and 2's at a high rate from these first three classes, partly out of necessity. But the numbers indicate that these players will be highly productive, but not quite the all-stars that the Tide crank out year after year.

Michigan has some important statistical disadvantages. The first is pure numbers: Saban brought in 11 more commitments than Hoke did in his first three years. I believe this comparative weakness will be mostly—if not completely—overcome by the character of the Michigan commits. Not only does Saban dump players who are less talented, he also loses more guys to crime and grades than does Hoke, and my guess is that Hoke will probably have fewer pure busts. I do believe Hoke can overcome the roughly three player per class disadvantage. Overall, just looking at limited numbers, I would guess that the actual advantage is only about one extra player per recruiting cycle due to the Tide's willingness to take kids that are good at football but not so good at life.

The second difference is the talent of the recruits. Saban's first three classes hold a .05 average Rivals Rating advantage over Hoke's, and the chart above tells the story: Saban got more top level recruits in his first three classes. Notice the big differences in 5.9, 6.0, and 6.1 recruits. Saban had 29 commits fall into those categories—more than a third (35%) of his '07-'09 commitments. Hoke has had just 14, representing less than 1/5 (19%) of Michigan's signees. In fact, the only ratings in which Michigan picked-up more recruits than 'Bama are the 5.5 and 5.6 levels, which are low-to-mid 3-star types.

Michigan also has underwhelming talent and/or depth at a couple of positions where the Tide is loaded: RB and WR. Treadwell chose the Ole Miss snake oil, leaving Michigan with only 3-star recruits at WR (though I believe two of those prospects were underrated) and 'Bama grabs 4-star WR's on a consistent basis. At RB, Michigan's 2013 class is excellent, but it will take another year or two of classes like that to have comparable talent to 'Bama.

D-Line is another spot where Michigan is still thin; the Heininger Certainty Principle helps here, but we'll still need pass-rushers. Saban recruits DE's to play OLB in his 3-4 scheme, so he uses different bodies in different ways, but he recruits DE/LB types very heavily, and 2-3 DT's every year as well. I expect Michigan to be recruiting 3-5 D-line prospects every year going forward

Saban tends to take lots of lower-rated OL recruits and still turns them into stars. His strategy seems to be to simply get five or six OL commits every year and turn a couple into All-SEC types while the rest land on the trash heap. Positionally, that seems to be the only real difference among Hoke and Saban's targets—Michigan's focus on the best possible O-line players and 'Bama's relative ignorance of that position in terms of Rivals Ratings.

The bottom line is that Saban signed more players and got better talent in his first three tries than did Hoke. That said, Hoke's focus on character mitigates those disadvantages by having fewer misses and getting more out of his players. But in order to build a juggernaut, we will probably need classes that are consistently as strong as our 2013 haul. And while Hoke's latest effort is on par with Saban's early classes, 'Bama has continued to improve the quality of their recruits: 2013 is Saban's best class yet.

The talent gap is still there, but it seems to be closing. Can character and coaching help build a national champion in Ann Arbor? Time will tell.

 

 

 

 

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Some Characteristics Of An Effective Rushing Offense In The Big Ten: 2000-Present

By LSAClassOf2000 — February 25th, 2013 at 1:15 PM — 3 comments

SOME CHARACTERISTICS OF AN EFFECTIVE RUSHING OFFENSE IN THE BIG TEN: 2000-PRESENT

I would like to mention first that I am going for a slightly more conversational diary this week because even I grow weary of charts and graphs from time to time. That, and I have to make far too many for work this week as it is, so for fear of mixing managing and MGoBlogging, I’ll try to present my wanderings of the past week in my normal strange prose.

I started thinking a few days ago about what some of the best rushing offenses were in the Big Ten since 2000. Admittedly, I chose this as the cutoff because I’ve been to the NCAA site enough that I know this is where the convenient tables end and the screens which read more like old printouts begin. In any case, it’s enough data to come up with a few good cases of teams that had very menacing rushing offenses. It is important to note that I used only the 11 teams which have been in the Big Ten through the entire studied period because of another diary that you might see in the coming weeks (no offense to Nebraska).

So, I dumped 13 seasons of rushing data into Excel. In all that time, the Big Ten has amassed enough yards to actually make a round trip from the Earth to the Moon twice (using average orbital distance), with a little yardage to spare. (EDIT: I flubbed the math and unit conversion here - my fail). In numerical terms, that would be 299,397 yards. In those yards, the ball was handed to someone 69,988 times and that someone managed to get an average of 4.28 yards per carry. The many teams in this stretch averaged 169.63 yards per game (2,093 net yards on average) and generally sat towards the middle of the national rankings of rushing offenses. Those teams also averaged 21 rushing TDs per year.

Fun facts for the dinner table there, right? Well, next, I created another table of the teams that were above the grand mean in all of the following – net yards, yards per carry, yards per game and touchdowns – as I thought these would provide some insight just how much more productive some of the better rushing offenses were in that stretch.

As it turns out, 41 teams in that group qualify. They account for 113,193 yards (an average of 2,760 net yards), or 37% of the total for the 13 seasons, and 32% of the carries in that same stretch. These 41 teams actually averaged 5.00 yards per carry and 218.94 yards per game as well as 30 rushing TDs. Also interesting is this – the cumulative win percentage of the Big Ten in this period is 0.562, but among these 41 teams, it is 0.669. It could be said that being what would basically be the first quartile of rushing offenses, at least in the Big Ten, accounts for possibly 1-2 more wins in a season. It may even be the case that, if we drew out a football event tree, you might find that rushing performance cascades through the offensive performance in general.

At this point, I performed the same analysis with these 41 teams, taking only teams whose statistics were above the averages in all four categories. This pares the list down to 12 teams. These twelve teams account for 12.5% of the rushing yards amassed in this space, as well as nearly 10% of the carries. They average 5.4 yards per carry and 249.50 yards per game, as well as 3,118 net yards. The average TD number also jumped to 38 here, which is, well, 2-3 rushing TDs per game basically (again, average – we love averages here). Not surprisingly, most of them ranked in the top ten rushing offenses for their respective years.

Which twelve were at the top, you ask? They are, in no particular order, 2012 Ohio State, 2011 and 2010 Michigan, 2010-2012 Wisconsin, 2002 Penn State, 2000 Northwestern, 2003 and 2005 Minnesota and 2000 and 2001 Indiana. Something that I found interesting about this list, almost more than the numbers, was that only seven teams from the conferences are represented, and of those, three of them appeared more than once. If we look at the combined winning percentage of those teams, it actually falls to 0.680 compared to the previous grouping, but there are definitely apparent personnel-based explanations, if you will, now that you can see the years.

TL;DR CONCLUSION:

This was merely a short mental / statistical exercise in discovering the sorts of numbers that the most effective rushing offenses have put up over the last decade or so in the conference, as well as to explore – at a high level – the differences in being merely average in this capacity and very effective over that stretch. In a word, the differences seem to be substantial and the numbers definitely bear that out.

 

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A Look At The Big Ten Remaining Schedules #4

By GOLBOGM — February 25th, 2013 at 12:37 AM — 9 comments
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Take four of a look at the remaining schedules:

This is long... if that's not for you you will dislike this...

Past Versions:

#1:http://mgoblog.com/diaries/look-big-ten-remaining-schedules

#2: http://mgoblog.com/diaries/look-big-ten-remaining-schedules-2

#3: http://mgoblog.com/diaries/look-big-ten-remaining-schedules-3

Current Standings:



TEAM RECORD
Indiana 12-2
Michigan St 11-4
Michigan 10-4
Wisconsin 10-4
Ohio St 10-5
Illinois 7-8
Minnesota 6-8
Iowa 6-8
Purdue 6-8
Nebraska 4-10
Northwestern 4-11
Penn St 0-14

 

Who has the hardest schedule?:

Below are the remaining schedules:

(Note: Below the game are my predicted odds of a victory)



  GAME 15 GAME 16 GAME 17 GAME 18
INDIANA @ MINNESOTA IOWA OHIO ST @ MICHIGAN
75% 85% 75% 50%
MICHIGAN ST N/A @ MICHIGAN WISCONSIN NORTHWESTERN
  50% 75% 95%
MICHIGAN @ PENN ST MICHIGAN ST @ PURDUE INDIANA
95% 50% 75% 50%
WISCONSIN NEBRASKA PURDUE @ MICHIGAN ST @ PENN ST
95% 85% 25% 95%
OHIO ST N/A @ NORTHWESTERN @ INDIANA ILLINOIS
  95% 25% 75%

 

Last time I started something new by associating a score with each team. The higher the score the harder the opponent is. Since there are 12 teams in the Big Ten the top team gets 12 points, and the lowest team gets 1 point. Any tie ranking all teams get the highest possible rank (both Michigan and Wisconsin are the 3rdhardest team). Below is that ranking.



TEAM PTS
Indiana 12
Michigan St 11
Michigan 10
Wisconsin 10
Ohio St 8
Illinois 7
Minnesota 6
Iowa 6
Purdue 6
Nebraska 3
Northwestern 2
Penn St 1

 

Teams get a bonus three points for playing on the road- so Michigan’s score for an opponent rises by three if the game is in Ann Arbor.  Below are the point rankings for each teams remaining schedule- included is an average ranking since two teams have three games left, and three have four:





  Game 15 Game 16 Game 17 Game 18 Total Average
Indiana 9 6 8 13 36 9.0
Michigan St NA 13 10 2 25 8.33
Michigan 4 11 9 12 36 9.0
Wisconsin 3 6 14 4 27 6.75
Ohio St NA 5 15 6 26 8.67

Wisconsin has the easiest schedule left- but they play at MSU- so I do believe they are very likely to still lose a game.  The rest of the schedules are pretty similar.  And even though Michigan's schedule is tough- that is a good thing since we need to beat the top teams to have a good shot at a championship- and the games are at home- so that is good.

Below is a more traditional look at the remaining schedules:



  RD HM Vs. Top-5 Vs. Mid-4 Vs. Bot-3
INDIANA 2 2 2 2 0
MICHIGAN ST 1 2 2 0 1
MICHIGAN 2 2 2 1 1
WISCONSIN 2 2 1 1 2
OHIO ST 2 1 1 1 1

Northwestern has joined Nebraska and Penn St as bottom teams- it's hard not to feel bad for Northwestern...

Thoughts on remaining teams:

Indiana: Huge win against MSU- now they are very much in the drivers seat.  If they escape in Minnesota they have two home games- which should be wins despite being tough.  If they don't lose before Michigan they win the conference- if they have one loss before Michigan that game become enormous.  If they lose twice before Michigan that game becomes incredibly enormous.  I think they should win all the games before Michigan- but tbeing a favorite in all three games doesn't mean that it is very likely.  I think Minnesota and OSU have a 1/4 chance of winning, and Iowa is a long shot.  Let's hope they lose at least one.

Michigan State: Thank god for that OSU game!  MSU is tied with us in the loss column and play us at home.  If they finish ahead of us they really earned it- but they quickly went from co-favorites to being in a very tough position.  Northwestern should be an easy win, but Wisconsin could also give them trouble.  I may be optomistic giving them 50% chance of winning in AA given their beat-down of us before- but it looks like they will come in on the slide as we are coming in after sorting some issues out.

Michigan: Glad other teams have their tough stretches to end the year.  The two road games, PSU and Purdue are must wins (as are all games) and road must-wins are never easy... The big game is obviously MSU.  Let's hope the game in EL was a low-point, because MSU losses have made it so that we have a great chance to leap-frog our in-state rival coming up.

Wisconsin: Their schedule is very easy compared to the other 4 teams.  Home games against Nebraska and Purdue should be wins (although Purdue could be tough), and at PSU shouldn't be an issue.  The game at MSU is huge.  If they win they should have a decent chance at a co-champ situation, if they lose all hope is likely lost.

Ohio State: Thanks for MSU!  With 5-losses they need a lot of luck, so they have very little chance of getting a co-championship.  Essentially they have to hope Wiscy loses to MSU, and then MSU loses to Michigan, while Michigan beats Indiana, while Indiana also loses two other games.  Seem unlikely?  Well so are their title hopes...

Championship Odds:

    



  16-2 15-3 14-4 13-5 12-6 or Worse
INDIANA 20% 50% 25% 4% 1%
MICHIGAN ST N/A N/A 40% 55% 5%
MICHIGAN N/A N/A 25% 50% 25%
WISCONSIN N/A N/A 15% 65% 20%
OHIO ST N/A N/A N/A 15% 85%

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Michigan still needs some luck!  It is Indiana's title to lose.  At least we have Indiana and MSU at home- if we win both all we need is for Indiana to lose another game (which may not be probable- but is certainly not crazy).  Given our huge loss to MSU they still have an edge over us- so lets hope we protect Crisler!  Wisconsin is in similar shape to us- except playing at MSU they have harder odds despite easier other games.  OSU needs to much luck...

 

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A Look at the Nation's Top Basketball Coaches

By GOLBOGM — February 24th, 2013 at 10:48 PM — 7 comments
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I decided to take a look at coaches of the nation’s top teams.  I looked at the six BCS conferences and a hand full of mid-major teams that are top-25ish type teams.

I decided to look at how successful coaches were.  I made a system to rank them:

Wins = 1 point each

Conference Championship (or division championship) = 20 points each

Tournament = 20 points

Sweet 16 = 20 points

Elite 8 = 25 points

Final Four = 50 points

Runner-Up = 100 points

Champion = 200 points

Notes:

Every NCAA tournament selection equals 20 points, after that a coach only gets point for the highest level they reached (a championship team would get 220 points- 200 for winning, 20 for making the tournament)

The logic behind the point system- I figured start with 1 point per win.  Conference championships and tournament bids seem to be a benchmark accomplishment- both of which seem to be a similar level of accomplishment (thus worth equal points).  No points are given for winning just one game- since no one talks about how many rounds of 32 to they made.  The jump from Sweet 16 to Elite 8 is not too high because most casual fans do not remember Elite 8 runs as much.  Points double from Elite 8 to being champion- since fans do remember final fours very well, and who played in the championship game.  I imagine many people will dislike my methodology for points- and if you do use my tables and make yourself your own system if you feel so inclined…

 I got the info from Wikipedia- some of the info changed as I was making the tables on Friday-Saturday (so some coaches were screwed out of a win, but I am not too worried about that…).  This season is counted as a complete seasons (since it seemed silly using fractions for all coached number of seasons), with the exception of first year coaches who I say as having <1 season since their win totals would looked skewed otherwise.  Also, if applicable, coaches with wins that were later vacated are still counted for this data.  Also I counted non-DI wins for coaches- but they did not get any points for titles or non-DI NCAA tournaments.  I included Beilein rankings only counting his D1 figures under the non-BCS coaches if you would like to see his score adjusted (since counting non-DI adds to total points but lowers the point/year average).  I included Jim Calhoun since he is an elite coach who just retired, and included Wooden since his success is unparalleled- and I was curious to see where the two would rank- both are included in the others section.  Also, NIT’s are counted for nothing, because I have never heard boasts about NIT’s… Lastly, I did not account for conference tournament championships because- A- too much data, and B- if you win you go to the tournament and get those points…

Also- I am sure there are some errors (there is a lot of data...)

Super long chart? Super long chart:

(Note- to the right of win, sweet 16, NCAA's, etc are the number of points earned from that total)











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
ACC BC- Steve Donahue Cornell ('00-'10) 12 176 176 3 60 3 60 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 316 26.3
  CLEM- Brad Brownell UNC Wilm ('02-'06), Wright St. ('06-'10)  11 214 214 3 60 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 354 32.2
  DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski Army (1975-1980) 38 950 950 12 240 28 560 8 160 1 25 3 150 4 400 4 800 3285 86.4
  FSU- Leonard Hamilton Okl. St (86-90), Miami ('90-'00), 2 years w/ Wizards  before FSU 24 401 401 1 20 7 140 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 601 25
  GA TECH- Brian Gregory Dayton ('03-'11) 10 185 185 1 20 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 245 24.5
  MD- Mark Turgeon Jacks St ('98-'00), Wichita St ('00-'07), Tex A&M ('07-'11) 15 285 285 1 20 5 100 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 425 28.3
  MIA- Jim Larranaga American ('77-'79), UVa ass. ('79-'86), Bowl Green ('86-'97), George Mas ('97-'11) 29 512 512 5 100 5 100 0 0 0 0 1 50 0 0 0 0 762 26.3
  UNC- Roy Williams Kansas ('88-'03) 26 693 693 15 300 22 440 4 80 4 100 3 150 2 200 2 400 2363 90.9
  NC ST- Mark Gottfried Murray St ('95-'98), Alabama ('98-'09) 16 320 320 5 100 8 160 1 20 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 625 39.1
  UVA- Tony Bennett Wash St ('06-'09) 7 139 139 0 0 3 60 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 219 31.3
  VT- James Johnson 1st job <1 11 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 11
  WF- Jeff Bzdelik UMBC ('86-'88), NBA assts/scout ('88-'04), Air Force ('05-'07), Colorado ('07-'10) 10 138 138 0 0 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 158 15.8
  TOTAL   189 (15.75) 4024 21.3 46 0.24 88 0.47 18 0.10 6 0.03 7 0.04 6 0.03 6 0.03 9364 49.54

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
BIG EAST CINCI-Mick Cronin Murray St ('03-'06) 10 193 193 1 20 4 80 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 313 31.3
  UCONN- Kevin Ollie 1st job- NBA player <1 18 18 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
  DEP- Oliver Purnell Radford ('88-'91), Old Dominion ('91-'94), Dayton '94-'03), Clemson ('04-'10)  25 424 424 3 60 6 120 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 604 24.2
  GTOWN- John Thompson III Princeton ('00-'04) 13 268 268 5 100 8 160 1 20 0 0 1 50 0 0 0 0 598 46
  L'VILLE- Rick Pitino Hawaii ('75-'76), BU ('78-'79), Prov. ('85-'87), Kentucky ('89-'97), gaps=NBA 28 640 640 7 140 17 340 0 0 4 100 4 100 1 100 1 200 1620 57.9
  MARQ- Buzz Williams New Orleans ('06-'07) 6 128 128 0 0 4 80 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 248 41.3
  ND- Mike Brey Deleware ('95-'00) 18 379 379 3 60 10 200 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 659 36.6
  PITT- Jamie Dixon 1st job 10 258 258 2 40 8 160 2 40 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 523 52.3
  PROV- Ed Cooley Fairfield ('06-'11) 7 128 128 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 148 21.1
  RUT- Mike Rice Jr. Robert Morris ('07-'10) 6 111 111 3 60 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 211 35.2
  SH- Kevin Willard Iona ('07-'10) 5 79 79 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 79 15.8
  USF- Stan Heath Kent St ('01-'02), Arkansas ('02-'07) 12 195 195 1 20 4 80 0 0 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 320 26.7
  STJ- Steve Lavin UCLA ('96-'03), non-coaching ('03-'10) 9 168 168 1 20 7 140 4 80 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 433 48.1
  SYR- Jim Boeheim 1st job 37 908 908 10 200 29 580 11 220 2 50 0 0 2 200 1 200 2358 63.7
  VILL- Jay Wright Hofstra ('94-'01) 19 361 361 3 60 9 180 2 40 1 25 1 50 0 0 0 0 716 37.7
  TOTAL   206 (13.73) 4258 20.7 40 0.19 108 0.52 24 0.12 10 0.05 6 0.03 3 0.01 2 0.01 8848 42.95

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
BIG TEN ILL- John Groce Ohio ('08-'12) 5 105 105 0 0 2 40 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 165 33
  IND- Tom Crean Marquette ('99-'08) 14 269 269 1 20 6 120 1 20 0 0 1 50 0 0 0 0 479 34.2
  IOWA- Fran McCaffery Lehigh ('85-'88), ND asst ('88-'99), UNCG ('99-'05), Sienna ('05-'10) 17 297 297 4 80 5 100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 477 28.1
  UM- John Beilein Erie CC ('78-'82), Nazareth ('82-'83), Le Moyne ('83-'92), Canisius ('92-'97), Richmond ('97-'02), West Virginia ('02-'07) 35 660 660 3 60 7 140 1 20 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 905 25.9
  MSU- Tom Izzo 1st job 18 434 434 7 140 15 300 3 60 1 25 4 100 1 100 1 200 1359 75.5
  MINN- Tubby Smith Tulsa ('91-'95), Georgia ('95-'97), Kenucky ('97-'07) 22 508 508 7 140 16 320 5 100 3 75 0 0 0 0 1 200 1343 61
  NEB- Tim Miles Mayville St ('95-'97), SW Minn St ('97-'01), ND St ('01-'07), CO St ('07-'12) 18 295 295 0 0 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 315 17.5
  NW- Bill Carmody Princeton ('96-'00) 17 283 283 2 40 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 363 21.4
  OSU- Thad Matta Butler ('00-'01), Xavier ('01-'04) 13 341 341 8 160 10 200 2 40 1 25 1 50 1 100 0 0 916 70.5
  PSU- Pat Chambers BU ('09-'11) 4 62 62 0 0 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 82 20.5
  PURD- Matt Painter S. Illinois ('03-'04), PURD asst ('04-'05) 9 197 197 2 40 7 140 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 417 46.3
  WISC- Bo Ryan UW- Platteville ('84-'99), Milwaukee ('99-'01) 29 670 670 2 40 11 220 4 80 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 1035 35.7
  TOTAL   201 (16.75) 4121 20.5 36 0.18 83 0.41 19 0.09 7 0.03 6 0.03 2 0.01 2 0.01 7856 39.08

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
BIG 12 BAYL- Scott Drew Valpo ('02-'03) 11 193 193 1 20 3 60 0 0 2 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 323 29.4
  IA ST- Fred Hoiberg 1st job 3 57 57 0 0 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 77 25.7
  KU- Bill Self Oral Roberts ('93-'97), Tulsa ('97-'00), Illinois ('00-'03) 20 497 497 12 240 14 280 2 40 5 125 0 0 1 100 1 200 1482 74.1
  KST- Bruce Weber S. Illinois ('98-'03), Illinois ('03-'12) 15 334 334 4 80 8 160 2 40 0 0 0 0 1 100 0 0 714 47.6
  OK- Lon Kruger Tex Pan-Am ('82-'86), Kansas St ('86-'90), Florida ('90-'96), Illinois ('96-'00), NBA ('00-'04), UNLV ('04-'11)  27 510 510 2 40 13 260 1 20 1 25 1 50 0 0 0 0 905 33.5
  OK ST- Travis ford Campbellsville ('97-'00), E. Kentucky ('00-'05), UMass ('05-'08)  16 211 211 1 20 3 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 291 18.2
  TEX- Rick Barnes George Mason ('87-'88), Providence ('88-'94), Clemson ('94-'98)  26 556 556 3 60 20 400 3 60 2 50 1 50 0 0 0 0 1176 45.2
  TCU- Trent Johnson Nevada ('99-'04), Standord ('04-'08), LSU ('08-'12) 14 236 236 2 40 5 100 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 416 29.7
  TT- Chris Walker 1st job <1 9 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 9
  WVU- Bob Huggins Walsh ('80-'83), Akron ('84-'89), Cinci ('89-'05), Kansas St ('06-'07)  31 719 719 11 220 20 400 2 40 2 50 2 100 0 0 0 0 1529 49.3
  TOTAL   164 (16.4) 3322 20.3 36 0.22 87 0.53 12 0.07 12 0.07 4 0.02 2 0.01 1 0.01 6922 42.21

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
PAC 12 ZONA- Sean Miller Xavier ('04-'09) 9 210 210 4 80 5 100 1 20 2 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 460 51.1
  AZ ST- Herb Sendek Miami (OH) ('93-'96), NC St ('96-'06) 19 352 352 1 20 7 140 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 532 28
  CAL- Mike Montgomery Montana ('78-'86), Stanford ('86-'04), NBA 31 651 651 6 120 15 300 1 20 1 25 1 50 0 0 0 0 1166 37.6
  COL- Tad Boyle N. Colorado ('06-'10) 7 120 120 0 0 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 140 20
  OREG- Dana Altman Marshall ('89-'90), Kansas St ('90-'94), Creighton ('94-'10) 24 473 473 3 60 8 160 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 693 28.9
  OR ST- Craig Robinson Brown ('06-'08) 7 104 104 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 104 14.9
  STAN- Johnny Dawkins 1st job 5 91 91 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 91 18.2
  UCLA- Ben Howland N. Arizona ('94-'99),     Pitt ('99-'03)  19 391 391 7 140 9 180 2 40 0 0 2 100 1 100 0 0 951 50.1
  USC- Kevin O'Neill Marquette ('89-'94), Tennessee ('94-'97), Northwestern ('97-'00), NBA ('00-'07), Arizona ('07-'08) 16 216 216 1 20 4 80 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 336 21
  UTAH- Larry Krystkowiak Montana ('05-'06), Prior/Gaps NBA/CBA 4 58 58 0 0 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 98 24.5
  WASH- Lorenzo Romar Pepperdine ('96-'99), SLU ('99-'02) 17 325 325 2 40 7 140 3 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 565 33.2
  WA ST- Ken Bone Cal St Stanislaus ('84-'85), Olympic ('85-'86), Seattle Pacific ('90-'02), Portland St ('05-'09), Gaps= asst jobs 22 407 407 7 140 2 40 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 607 27.6
  TOTAL   180 (15) 3398 18.9 31 0.17 60 0.33 10 0.06 3 0.02 3 0.02 1 0.01 0 0 5743 31.91

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
SEC BAMA- Anthony Grant VCU ('06-'09) 7 157 157 4 80 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 317 45.3
  ARK- Mike Anderson UAB ('02-'06), Missouri ('06-'11) 11 235 235 1 20 6 120 1 20 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 420 38.2
  AUB- Tony Barbee UTEP ('06-'10) 7 117 117 1 20 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 157 22.4
  FLOR- Billy Donovan Marshall ('94-'96) 19 442 442 6 120 12 240 1 20 2 50 0 0 1 100 2 400 1372 72.2
  UGA- Mark Fox Nevada ('04-'09) 9 185 185 4 80 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 345 38.3
  KY- John Calipari UMass ('88-'96), NBA, Memphis ('00-'09) 21 565 565 14 280 14 280 2 40 4 100 2 100 1 100 1 200 1665 79.3
  LSU- Johnny Jones Memphis ('99-'00), Alab asst ('00-'01), North Texas ('01-'12) 13 220 220 1 20 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 280 21.5
  OLE MISS- Andy Kennedy Cincinnati ('05-'06) 8 165 165 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 205 25.6
  MISS ST- Rick Ray 1st job <1 7 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 7
  MIZZ- Frank Haith Miami ('04-'11) 9 178 178 0 0 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 218 24.2
  SCAR- Frank Martin Kansas State ('07-'12) 6 130 130 0 0 4 80 0 0 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 235 39.2
  TENN- Cuonzo Martin Missouri State ('08-'11) 5 95 95 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 115 23
  TA&M- Billy Kennedy Centenary ('97-'99), SE Louisiana ('99-'05), Miami asst ('05-'06), Murray St ('06-'11) 15 241 241 4 80 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 361 24.1
  VANDY- Kevin Stallings Illinois St ('93-'99) 20 394 394 2 40 8 160 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 634 31.7
  TOTAL   151 (10.79) 3131 20.7 40 0.26 59 0.39 6 0.04 8 0.05 2 0.01 2 0.01 3 0.02 6331 41.93

 











    PREV YRS WINS CONF CHAMPS NCAA 16 8 4 2 CHAMP TOTAL PER YEAR
OTHER BUTLER (A-10)- Brad Stevens 1st job 6 161 161 4 80 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 200 0 0 521 86.8
  CREIGH (MO VAL)- Greg McDermott Wayne St ('94-'00), ND St ('00-'01), N. Iowa ('01-'06), Iowa St ('06-'10) 19 341 341 0 0 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 421 22.2
  GONZAGA (WCC)- Mark Few 1st job 14 368 368 11 220 13 260 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 928 66.3
  MEMP (CUSA)- Josh Pastner 1st job 4 97 97 1 20 2 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 157 39.3
  MURRAY ST (OH VAL)- Steve Prohm 1st job 2 50 50 1 20 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 90 45
  N MEX (MW)- Steve Alford Manchester ('91-'95), SW MO St ('95-'99), Iowa ('99-'07) 22 456 456 3 60 6 120 1 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 656 29.8
  SDST (MW)- Steve Fisher Michigan ('88-'97), NBA ('97-'99) 23 460 460 3 60 12 240 1 20 1 25 0 0 2 200 1 200 1205 52.4
  SLU (A-10)- Jim Crews Evansville ('85-'02), Army ('02-'09), SLU asst. off prior to this year 25 375 375 5 100 4 80 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 555 22.2
  VCU (A-10)- Shaka Smart 1st job 4 100 100 0 0 2 40 0 0 0 0 1 50 0 0 0 0 190 47.5
  WICH ST (MO VAL)- Gregg Marshall Wintrhop ('98-'07) 16 347 347 8 160 8 160 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 667 41.7
  Jim Calhoun Northeaster ('72-'86), UConn ('86-'12) 40 873 873 15 300 23 460 4 80 5 125 1 50 0 0 3 600 2488 62.2
  John Wooden Indiana St ('46-'48), UCLA ('48-'75) 29 620 620 21 420 16 320 0 0 0 0 1 50 0 0 10 2000 3410 117.6
  John Beilein- only DI Canisius ('92-'97), Richmond ('97-'02), WVU ('02-'07) 21 402 402 3 60 7 140 1 20 1 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 647 30.8

Hopefully you made it this far!

Here's a look at the 6 BCS conferences:

 










CONFERENCE Wins Avg Wins Conf Champs Avg Conf Ch NCAA Avg NCAA 16 8 4 2 1 Total Avg Total
ACC 4024 21.3 46 0.24 88 0.47 18 6 7 6 6 9364 49.54
Big East 4258 20.7 40 0.19 108 0.52 24 10 6 3 2 8848 42.95
Big Ten 4121 20.5 36 0.18 83 0.41 19 7 6 2 2 7856 39.08
Big 12 3322 20.3 36 0.22 87 0.53 12 12 4 2 1 6922 42.41
PAC 12 3398 18.9 31 0.17 60 0.33 10 3 3 1 0 5743 31.91
SEC 3131 20.7 40 0.26 59 0.39 6 8 2 2 3 6331 41.93

To me it seems like the ACC and Big East are clearly the top 2 conferences for coaches. What is clear is that the presence of elite coaches like Coach K and Roy Williams makes a huge impact. 

I was also surprised that the Big 12 by these measurements seemed clearly better than the Big Ten, and very close to the Big East with regards to avg. pts/yr for coaches. 

The PAC 12 was essentially the weakest however you look at it- but I was surprised by the Big Ten's relatively weak showing.  I was surprised the SEC looked competive comparatively- but I think most of that is Calipari and Donovan having such great success.

More charts?  More charts:

 




  WINS YRS WINS
1 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 950
2 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 908
3 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 719
4 UNC- Roy Williams 26 693
5 WISC- Bo Ryan 29 670
6 UM- John Beilein 35 660
7 CAL- Mike Montgomery 31 651
8 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 640
9 KY- John Calipari 21 565
10 TEX- Rick Barnes 26 556

 




  CONFERENCE CHAMPS YRS CC
1 UNC- Roy Williams 26 15
2 KY- John Calipari 21 14
T3 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 12
T3 KU- Bill Self 20 12
T5 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 11
T5 GONZAGA (WCC)- Mark Few 14 11
7 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 10
T8 WICH ST (MO VAL)- Gregg Marshall 16 8
T8 OSU- Thad Matta 13 8
T10 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 7
T10 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 7
T10 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 7
T10 WA ST- Ken Bone 22 7
T10 UCLA- Ben Howland 19 7

 




  NCAA'S YRS NCAA
1 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 29
2 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 28
3 UNC- Roy Williams 26 22
T4 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 20
T4 TEX- Rick Barnes 26 20
6 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 17
7 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 16
T8 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 15
T8 CAL- Mike Montgomery 31 15
T10 KY- John Calipari 21 14
T10 KU- Bill Self 20 14

 




  FINAL FOURS YRS FF
1 DUKE- Mike Kryzewski 38 11
2 UNC- Roy Williams 26 7
T3 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 6
T3 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 6
5 KY0 John Calipari 21 4
T6 UCLA- Ben Howland 19 3
T6 FLOR- Billy Donovan 19 3
T6 SDST- Steve Fisher 23 3
T6 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 3
T10 BUTLER- Brad Stevens 6 2
T10 OSU- Thad Matta 13 2
T10 KU- Bill Self 20 2
T10 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 2
T14 VCU- Shaka Smart 4 1
T14 GTOWN- John Thompson III 13 1
T14 IND- Tom Crean 14 1
T14 KST- Bruce Webber 15 1
T14 VILL- Jay Wright 19 1
T14 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 1
T14 TEX- Matt Barnes 26 1
T14 OK- Lon Kruger 27 1
T14 MIA- Jim Larranaga 29 1
T14 CAL- Mike Montgomery 31 1

 




  CHAMPIONSHIPS YRS CHAMPS
1 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 4
2 UNC- Roy Williams 26 2
3 FLOR- Billy Donovan 19 2
T4 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 1
T4 SDST (MW)- Steve Fisher 23 1
T4 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 1
T4 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 1
T4 KY- John Calipari 21 1
T4 KU- Bill Self 20 1
T4 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 1

 




  PTS YRS PTS
NA John Wooden 29 3410
1 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 3285
NA Jim Calhoun 40 2488
2 UNC- Roy Williams 26 2363
3 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 2358
4 KY- John Calipari 21 1665
5 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 1620
6 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 1529
7 KU- Bill Self 20 1482
8 FLOR- Billy Donovan 19 1372
9 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 1359
10 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 1343
11 SDST (MW)- Steve Fisher 23 1205
12 TEX- Rick Barnes 26 1176
13 CAL- Mike Montgomery 31 1166
14 WISC- Bo Ryan 29 1035
15 UCLA- Ben Howland 19 951
16 GONZAGA (WCC)- Mark Few 14 928
17 OSU- Thad Matta 13 916
T18 OK- Lon Kruger 27 905
T18 UM- John Beilein 35 905
20 MIA- Jim Larranaga 29 762

 




  PTS/YR YRS PTS/YR

 




NA John Wooden 29 117.6
1 UNC- Roy Williams 26 90.9
2 BUTLER (A-10)- Brad Stevens 6 86.8
3 DUKE- Mike Krzyzewski 38 86.4
4 KY- John Calipari 21 79.3
5 MSU- Tom Izzo 18 75.5
6 KU- Bill Self 20 74.1
7 FLOR- Billy Donovan 19 72.2
8 OSU- Thad Matta 13 70.5
9 GONZAGA (WCC)- Mark Few 14 66.3
10 SYR- Jim Boeheim 37 63.7
NA Jim Calhoun 40 62.2
11 MINN- Tubby Smith 22 61
12 L'VILLE- Rick Pitino 28 57.9
13 SDST (MW)- Steve Fisher 23 52.4
14 PITT- Jamie Dixon 10 52.3
15 ZONA- Sean Miller 9 51.1
16 UCLA- Ben Howland 19 50.1
17 WVU- Bob Huggins 31 49.3
18 STJ- Steve Lavin 9 48.1
19 KST- Bruce Weber 15 47.6
20 VCU (A-10)- Shaka Smart 4 47.5

FINAL NOTES:

Sorry this post was so long... but I hope it is appreciated (mostly because it took forever to do).  There are a lot of take-aways:

1- Wooden was a very good coach- and it doesn't look like anyone will ever reach that level.

2- Elite coaches are much better than any other coach.  The top ten coaches (pts/yr) are well above any other coaches.  The difference between coach #5- Izzo, and coach #12 Pitino is more than 17 points a year- which is pretty huge- and Pitino is obviously a well above average coach.

3- Thad Matta is pretty highly rankled- and outside of Izzo, Smith (who is pretty far removed from being an elite coach success-wise), and Matta the Big Ten is not very impressive.  Painter has had a surprisingly successful career so far according to these metrics, and Beilein and Ryan get hurt from non-DI success for around a decade each- but the Big Ten doesn't hold up at this point against the other conferences like I thought it would.

4- Coaching at elite programs makes a huge difference- This is also a chicken/egg debate- are coaches elite from being an elite program- or do elite programs just attract elite coaches and allow them the tools to separate from their peers?  What it also points out is how impressive coaches are who aren't at typical elite programs.  Calhoun built a UConn program from nothing to elite, Mark Few has had a tremendous career, and Brad Stevens looks like he is on the fast-track to super-stardom.  I suppose it is not surprising- but for the most part the traditional elite powers have the top coaches.  It is interesting seeing how many coaches started at mid-majors- and it is pretty clear if you do well in the NCAA's or dominate mid-major programs you do get noticed and get a good shot at some decent programs.

Hope you all enjoyed this- it is pretty interesting looking at all the coaches past records. I think the data answers pretty much any question you could have about coaches- and I hope you all enjoy data as much as I do. If you notice any clear errors let me know- if you disagree/agree with my ranking systems or anything else let me know in the comments- it could produce some good discussion!

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